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The No-God posted 30 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by coobek, Candidate

I agree that Mog-Pharau is one of the most intriguing concepts, and there are many in this brilliant book.

1. First of all the name No-God might be misleading in the discussion. Similar to Nonmen, when Men to distinguish living, thinking beings, which are alien to them called them that – ‘Nonmen’. But of course Nonmen do not think of themselves as ‘Nonmen’ but Cuniuri same Incoroi certainly do not call the Nonmen ‘Nonmen’. So since the No-God has other names Tsurmah, Mog-Pharau it is only the magic of the name ‘No-God’ that makes us think he is some strange unimaginable opposite of God. He may exactly be to Gods what Nonmen are to Men, a God but of different ‘race’ eg. God of different world, working on a different basis but non the less sharing some traits with the Gods of Earwa. Same as Nonmen share a lot with Men but certainly are of different race. That’s why he maybe stops souls as he doesn’t really stop them but populates his own ‘world’ with them. Or he is looking for another type of souls – Inchoroi?.

2. Second option. For me to understand the nature of No-God we have to understand what is God in Earwa terms.

From what I have understood Gods live in the ‘Outside’ and they are connected to the cycle of souls. There are three types of Hundred Gods: the ones that do not care for the followers, the ones that reward them with ‘perks’ or promise of the afterlife and ones which like their believers to fight against them. Except those there is a solitary God of the Inrithi and Fanim. What do they have in common. They all have believers. Two questions arise. Whether Gods existence/powers are driven by the amount of believers that they have or do they exist regardless of the believers. I think there was an abstract in the Glossary saying that the power of the God is connected to the numbers of believers. If this is the case the ONE-AND-ONLY GODLY BEING would have all souls believing in him and he will be interested in more and more of this souls to multiply. Having zero souls believing in such a GOD would mean his death. If No-God was simply a God he would be interested in taking the souls away from him and making them believe in No-God. But since he is not a God but rather a No-God so in other words complete opposite of God. His motive may be having no souls at all in the Earwa, having no one to believe in anything.

My problem with this approach is the Solitary God. I may be confabulating but It seems that he existed before Tusk and without the followers and he created Earwa. At least that’s my impression after reading glossary once. If such is the case than I am lost - who is No-God? A builder of Inchoroi worlds or ‘The Prince of Nothing’? view post

Best character posted 30 May 2006 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by coobek, Candidate

Achamian, followed by Cnauir and Kellhus. Also Giant warrior Yalgrtotha speaks to my imagination. view post

The Dream that went wrong posted 30 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by coobek, Candidate

Quote: "Guest":2t9y31cw
The parallels between Seswatha and Achamian may be more profound than you realize. When Akka was in Carythusal he dreamed of the Burning of the Library in Sauglish by the Consult. When he awoke, he notated that there was a small discrepancy in the dream; the face in the mirror (at the library) was not Seswatha's, but HIS. For a moment he pondered what it meant that he saw his face in the mirror instead of the man that was actually there, Seswatha. (Remember, in their dreams, Mandate Schoolmen ARE Seswatha.)

Fast forward a year later, and the Sareotic Library in Iotiah is being burned to ash and ruin by the Scarlet Spires in an attempt to arrest Achamian. Either fate is trying to tell Akka something or Seswatha is trying to tell Akka something; either way I think this and the occurrences already mentioned point to one inarguable fact; Achamian is BECOMING the next Seswatha.

The question then becomes, if the world already has its savior (from the Apocalypse and otherwise) in Kellhus, why has the Whore put Akka in a position to become the new Seswatha? What need would the world have of such a being? As I've been saying from the beginning, I don't think Kellhus is the Savior, I think he's the Harbringer... and I LOVE IT!!!
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My thoughts as well. view post

Inri Sejenus VS. Jesus Christ posted 31 May 2006 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeInri Sejenus VS. Jesus Christ by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;talek&quot;:csnoijc1
It is no doubt deeply significant that &quot;Kellhus anasurimbor&quot; is an anagram for &quot;A lesbian humor lurks.&quot;[/quote:csnoijc1]

No doubt <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

But seriously I agree that such a connections to real world are really great in the book. They make us relate more to the story but more importantly there is the fun of analysing what is what. This is for me one of the reasons why Sapkowski's work is so good. You probably don't know him. I have no idea whether he was translated to English. view post

Cnaiur posted 31 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCnaiur by coobek, Candidate

I agree with the recent posts on this subject. I think that Cnauir is to developed character to simply vanish. I also think that he is maybe the only living human to match Kellhus (apart maybe from Achamian/Seswatha) and he will occupy most pages in the future book (AE). Maybe he will become incarnation of dead Scylvendi God. Who knows. view post

The No-God posted 17 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by coobek, Candidate

VERY interesting hypothesis, which sound pretty possible. view post

Kelhus vs ... posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by coobek, Candidate

Kelhus vs Satan

Who would win? Elaborate.

I bet 9-1 for Kelhus since the other one is driven by emotions (kind of).

I know it is a shallow thread. But hey, some things in life need to be. view post

Breaker of Horses and Men posted 08 May 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by coobek, Candidate

Agree. Cnauir is also my favourite beacuse of all the traits already mentioned above, one-liners and his barbaric intellect and madness. view post

The Aspect-Emperor posted 15 May 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:205ashms

Just on this subject, it is not too unreasonable to suppose that Kellhus will make a swift exit (probably by misadventure) very early on in the next series of novels. This is perhaps good for the storyline, on the basis that no adversary could realistically present Kellhus a worthy challenge. It’s all very well being a Dark Lord or arch villain or malefic demon, but let’s face it should any one of Lord Voldemort, the No God, Mrs Coulter, or Morgoth, take on Kellhus not only would Kellhus be four steps ahead of their every evil machination, but Kellhus could offer to sort out their personality problems and even toss in a very credible chance of eternal salvation. Kellhus is simply omnicompetent, too capable, and in the next 20 years he is likely to become the paramount sorceror, as well as the paramount thinker, and soldier. On the other hand, maybe the plans of the Consult have been too well-laid, over too long a period, for even Kellhus' stupendous abilities to overcome. Simply for the sake of the story, it must be hard to have a character such as Kellhus; he is so good at everything he does. I look forward to see how Scott will resolve this problem.[/quote:205ashms]

Same thoughts here. (Thats why I made a thread about Satan vs Kelhus) What Kelhus can become in 20 years from now is simply immeasurable. Unless he meets his limits. view post

Earwian like worlds (like ie. Kane series) posted 21 May 2007 in General DiscusssionEarwian like worlds (like ie. Kane series) by coobek, Candidate

Recently I have been rereading out of boredom some of my bookshelf and found the Kane series. I must admit that it is the only other known to me series with the mix of SF/fantasy, other races/aliens, technology/magic similar to Earwa. Of course the style of writing, type and the depth of the literature are completely different. None-the -less I forgotten how full of secrets this Wagnerian world is/was. It is also a good basis for a lot of good stories. It is sad that Wagner died in his 40ies If I can recall. The Kane character was pretty well written for hack&amp;slash fantasy. Actually I do not think it was plain hack&amp;slash like Connan but certainly more sinister and dark.

Anyway do anyone else reading Wagner have such thoughts?

Maybe someone has other literature with Earwian style world to recommend?

From the pop-culture also early Might&amp;Magic RPG series had this mixture of SF/Fantasy which I found rather refreshing and interesting. view post

Akka and Kelhus will be the Greatest Ordeal posted 28 June 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Akka and Kelhus will be the Greatest Ordeal by coobek, Candidate

Achamian is now (at least at the end of the series) full of passion. Maybe he will join knowledge of Gnosis with Psukhe and that will give hard time to Kelhus since, as we know, Dunyan are crap at Psukhe. view post

Holy War/Crusades similarities posted 02 August 2007 in General DiscusssionHoly War/Crusades similarities by coobek, Candidate

Mongols/Native American Indians or Cymmerians - Black hair and blue eyes! view post

Three Seas: Total War - Your Thoughts? posted 09 August 2007 in General DiscusssionThree Seas: Total War - Your Thoughts? by coobek, Candidate

I believe that Earwa is a perfect seting for almost any kind of game save car racing (even space shoot-out is more propable via Inchoroi)

My favourite would certainly be the master of 2.5D (almost 3D) Duke Nukem inside the Incu-Holoinas. The Sranc are perfect for low level cannon fodder. Than come the Bashrag, Scylvendi, Wraccu, Non-men and finally the Inchoroi or even No-God himself.

But hey! He IS Duke Nukem - he likes to kick ass and chew gum - and he is all out of gum (read &quot;all circumstances bow before him&quot; or was it all chicks?) view post

'The Great Ordeal' or 'Horns of Golgotterath'? posted 04 November 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]'The Great Ordeal' or 'Horns of Golgotterath'? by coobek, Candidate

I must say that the ones sticking in my head (at least right now) are, one from each book:

1. The duel with *unknown* Non-man which in descrete way shows already how Kelhus stands out physicly from the worldborn.
2. The battle of Mengedda and song of the Crusaders.
3. The last scene with Achamian renouncing Kelhus and his own wife.

Having said that - my favourite character is Cnauir and most of his scenes are brilliant as well. view post

Free Will posted 18 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Randal&quot;:3j9a9yij
I think this is all a bit vague. &quot;Free will reduced to something less than is commonly understood.&quot; Well, what is commonly understood?

I believe free will of a sort exists in that people make choices all the time... but also that they're determined, in that given the same arguments they would make the same decision in every parallel universe. After all, your decisions aren't made by random chance, are they? They have reasons. If those reasons don't change, the decisions do not change either.

&quot;I would not have done that in his place&quot; still applies, because you -would not- have done so in 'his' place. After all, you have access to different information, have a different brain with which to process the information, different experiences, different desires, priorities and ideals to motivate your decision... you would make a different decision because of that. Quite possibly in fact a better one.

I think that is plenty free enough. We do the best we can according to our abilities and desires. But there's nothing magical about it, nothing that stands above the laws of nature, nothing that escapes the principles of causality. The causes just very often are found in your character, rather than in external circumstances.

I don't see how that conflicts with concept of humanity at all.[/quote:3j9a9yij]

I did not read all of the 4 pages here but to support your view of things - the 1st 100 odd pages of economic treaty 'Human Action' by Mises are a very interesting literature on this subject. Moreover reading it you will non stop have flashback of - oh my this is darkness which comes before or this is conditioning or thid id how Kelhus acts. A very interesting treatise, mind you if sombody hates economy - those pages are not about economy at all - and than again they are 100% about economy. The book is free to download from the web. view post

Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. posted 09 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. by coobek, Candidate

My personal fav is point 1. view post

Kelhus vs ... posted 11 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Writer&quot;:3po4sv8e
I was going to say Batman, but again Batman has all the insecurities of parental abandonment and the whole dress up as a bat and beat up criminals thing, so Kellhus could work with that pretty easily.
I was also thinking Gandalf could square of against Kellhus pretty easily. I think I read somewhere that he's like an angel or something, so that could make him immune to Kellhus' Dunyain manipulation.
Scary thought, what would Kellhus do with the Ring? <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> Would he be ammune to it's evilness or would he go for it and become Supreme Lord of Middle-Earth.[/quote:3po4sv8e]

Phhhaahh but He would not need a ring. The question is how quickly would he know the words of Valaquenta?

The conditioning would begin within 1 second of him touching the ground. Sauron and 'the darkness which comes before him' would be known in no-time. He would posses the Nazgul with all their weakness. No-one would be spared, no-one save Tom Bombadil of course.

Another interesting dillema is who is unverse greatest swordsman Kelhus or Master Yoda? view post

Parallels posted 14 January 2008 in General DiscusssionParallels by coobek, Candidate

I thought Norsirai are Europeans some resembling Northern nations and the peoples living around the three seas mostly resemble Meditarenean nations.

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Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 14 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by coobek, Candidate

I don't think that Kelhus is a prophet. As it was mentioned it was not his heart he ripped. He is still a Dunyian and whole 'I am a prophet' thing was a shortest path to disturb Moenghus, whom he has killed IMO. view post

Parallels posted 15 January 2008 in General DiscusssionParallels by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:2idzh2f8
I agree with these parallels and there is a general consensus from most on this. Scott did say that the Scylvendi were mostly derived from the Sarmatians.[/quote:2idzh2f8]

It seems I am a Scylvend then. view post

Kelhus vs ... posted 26 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:1f5t831z
^^Don't follow that link or Mog will eet u for fud.^^[/quote:1f5t831z]


Lolcats - My Mog - this is ridiculous, or maybe a new Inchoroi, tekne, thing. view post

Kelhus vs ... posted 30 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;dirk69er&quot;:2yxuko1h
If you are going to pit Kellhus against anyone in the Dune Universe it would have to be Leto II the God-Emperor. He would be totally immune to Kellhus' manipulations and has more than enough intellect to match him otherwise. As far as fighting ability, pre-worm, he has Prana-Bindu training. As well as the Voice, so it would be more likely he could impel Kellhus to do what he wanted not the other way around.

After the transformation, his body is near impervious. Only point blank range with a lasgun would even damage him. Of course there is his oracular vision which would allow him to predict pretty much anything Kellhus could even do. Not to mention that he is also a mentat. So Leto hands down.[/quote:2yxuko1h]

Depends on would they fight on conditioned or non-conditioned ground <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Still Lolcats persuade me... view post

*Spoilers* Favourite new character. posted 11 May 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Favourite new character. by coobek, Candidate

First of all thanks to Admin for finally repearing my account!!! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

All great characters except Sorweeel for me, but:

Kelmomas - is just too manipulatory and EVIL, a great character I just can't stand him and cannot relate even slithgly;

Mimara - she has the POTENTIAL to become the greatest character, I disliked her at first and the way she was introduced but at the end she stole the show. Maybe she'll be the best in II-nd tome;

Psatma - a bit dull for me, but strenght is with her, no question about it;

Incariol - 'and she thought Incariol, and she thought Ishroi' - he is The Kelhus of the Juidging Eye, he is portrayed in my opinion in a way that pits him against the Kelhus, he gives hope in a duel. Why? You know why. He walks himself through Chorae wielding Bashrags and hords of Srancs almost unscratched. Singing the cants of magic and wielding his blade with deadly accuracy sending his foes to Oblivion, all tireless. Somwhere on this board I made a subject 'Kelhus vs..' and I tell you vs Incariol you can at least see him standing his own ground. Although we know that Kelhus in his first days in Three Sees, naked and chased by hordes of Sranc, singlehandedly almost defeated Merketrig (or whatever the spelling), we can assert the Incariol is not him. He seems to be Ishroi battlemage, Ishroi of old. And even with Kelhus inteligence the magic I belive need to be spoken or thought of in Non-men tongue. I bet Kelhus knows it perfectly but he wasn't born to it... like Incariol who may yet turn out to be sombody else, sombody older and stronger! But he is not my best character, similr to first 3 tomes (Cnauir was - obviously, I would add)

Kosoter - Its him! He is the biggest secret and yet he is not invulnerable like Incariol. I want to see mor of him.

and than of course if Cnauir somehow made it he is still the BEST!!!! view post

*Spoilers* Favourite new character. posted 12 May 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Favourite new character. by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;nonman_erratic&quot;:2lhlgfh8
So, best I can come up with, at a stretch... Incariol roughly = 'Empty Place'... or perhaps 'Home of emptiness,' 'stronghold of emptiness', 'empty hall,' 'empty vessel'?... Soul-less one? Or, perhaps, 'Prince of Nothing'??


Now thats a thought!!! And just above I have pitted them against each other! Now who is better Prince of Nothing!
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Small things in TJE that you liked posted 12 May 2009 in The Judging EyeSmall things in TJE that you liked by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;nonman_erratic&quot;:2oewbr19

The fact that Cleric is Canadian.... &quot;Where does all the judgement go, Eh, Wizard?&quot;


And for the non-anglosaxon civilizations <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> how do you explain him being Canadian by saying Eh?

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Consensus so far? posted 12 May 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by coobek, Candidate

I think the book is as good as any other in previous trilogy and Scott kept the level which is amazing. This is in no compariosn to any Feast of Crows or whatever. These are THE books. Nothing better since Tolkien and Black Company from anglosaxon writers.

Any way I of course concur that it is the Slog that made the book but also the twisted Kelmomas, although I hate him, made it worthy.

In future I would like to finally see some Consult or more specific Inchoroi action! Not nescessary more Dunyan.

I want to see Gods walk the earth, demons following blind wizards who overdose drugs, Lord Kosoter and Incariol they identity revieled, Apropos sorcery, Achamian pilgrimage to Sauglish, Maithanet vs Kelmomas and Esmenet between, Wracu and hordes of Sranc and Kelhus in a duel with Cleric!

And most of all I want to see Cnauir ap Skiotha, where is he? Dead or not? view post

Spoiler: Kelmonas' Voice posted 12 May 2009 in The Judging EyeSpoiler: Kelmonas' Voice by coobek, Candidate

I'll go with his killed brother. It is his voice. view post

Twice Read Tales posted 13 May 2009 in The Judging EyeTwice Read Tales by coobek, Candidate

I strongly and fully agree. And to think that I have bought the first book for its cover <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post

An interesting thought... posted 13 May 2009 in The Judging EyeAn interesting thought... by coobek, Candidate

I think it highly unlikely. Psatma would need to be his agent? How come? view post

Biggest Surprises TJE / *SPOILERS* possible posted 22 June 2009 in The Judging EyeBiggest Surprises TJE / *SPOILERS* possible by coobek, Candidate

No Consult. Save one skin-spy.

Except the games in the palace no political games inside the March.

No Cnaiur <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> view post


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