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Adn Commoner | joined 15 December 2005 | 3 posts


A critique of the Warrior Prophet posted 15 December 2005 in The Warrior ProphetA critique of the Warrior Prophet by Adn, Commoner

I think that you all have good points, each have some I agree with and some that I don't.

The main issue that I would like to comment on is Cnaiur's sexuality. I think it unlikely that Cnaiur is homosexual, but I think it's at least possible that he was sexually seduced by Moenghus. It strikes me that the Dunyain will use any tool to reach their goal. It's been been shown they have no morality, only rationality. Sexual and mental dominance over a boy would be far more powerful than mental dominance alone.

The author often shows how Cnaiur sees much of Moenghus in Kellhus. After spending a great deal of time alone with Kellhus, he took Serwe as his prize. Later, Cnaiur wondered why Serwe seemed so important to him, if she was simply his prize. He realized that Serwe was his proof against both Moenghus and Kellhus. (all of this only occurred to me after he called her his proof)

Proof of what? Serwe was a sexual toy for Cnaiur, and a reminder of the wife he loved. Proof to himself that he lusted and loved women. He only seemed to need this proof after extended time alone with Kellhus, who so resembled the one who, at least mentally, seduced him as a child.

Kellhus saw this, used it to his advantage. He sexually dominated Cnaiur in another way, by taking Serwe from him. This I think was largely what drove Cnaiur past the edge of madness, combined with the fact that he knew he needed Kellhus to get at Moenghus.

Cnaiur hates Kellhus with passion, initially born from his hatred of Moenghus. Kellhus sexually dominates Cnaiur in an indirect way, and yet Cnaiur still reserves the greater hate for Moenghus.

Cnaiur is from a people who condemn homosexuality. Moenghus destroyed Cnaiur's self image as a man, and Cnaiur has spent the rest of his life trying to make up for that; to prove to himself that he is a man, the most vicious of men. After meeting Kellhus, he goes further to prove his masculinity to himself with Serwe.


of course, my uneducated guesses could be way off base. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Cnaiur and Serwe posted 15 December 2005 in The Warrior ProphetCnaiur and Serwe by Adn, Commoner

I posted this in another thread, but it's even more relevant in this thread. Here are my guesses about Cnaiur and Serwe, and Cnaiur's sexuality.


I think it unlikely that Cnaiur is homosexual as we know the term, but I think it's at least possible that he was sexually seduced by Moenghus. It strikes me that the Dunyain will use any tool to reach their goal. It's been been shown they have no morality, only rationality. Sexual and mental dominance over a boy would be far more powerful than mental dominance alone.

The author often shows how Cnaiur sees much of Moenghus in Kellhus. After spending a great deal of time alone with Kellhus, he took Serwe as his prize. Later, Cnaiur wondered why Serwe seemed so important to him, if she was simply his prize. He realized that Serwe was his proof against both Moenghus and Kellhus. (all of this only occurred to me after he called her his proof)

Proof of what? Moenghus was a father figure to him, and possibly more. Cnaiur seemed to be attracted to Kellhus, born largely out of his memories of Moenghus. Serwe was a sexual toy for Cnaiur, and a reminder of the wife he loved. Proof to himself that he lusted and loved women. That he was a "Man" of the People. He only seemed to need this proof after extended time alone with Kellhus.

This does not mean he was attracted to men in general. He had many wives, at least one of which he loved a great deal.

Kellhus used this to his advantage. He sexually dominated Cnaiur in another way, by taking Serwe from him. This I think was largely what drove Cnaiur past the edge of madness, combined with the fact that he knew he needed Kellhus to get at Moenghus.

Cnaiur hates Kellhus with passion, initially born from his hatred of Moenghus. Kellhus sexually dominates Cnaiur in an indirect way, and yet Cnaiur still reserves the greater hate for Moenghus.

Cnaiur is from a people who condemn homosexuality. Moenghus destroyed Cnaiur's self image as a man, and Cnaiur has spent the rest of his life trying to make up for that; to prove to himself that he is a man, the most vicious of men. After meeting Kellhus, he goes further to prove his masculinity to himself with Serwe. view post


Question about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* posted 15 December 2005 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* by Adn, Commoner

This was a section I had to read a few times over, feeling that I had missed something. In the end, I shrugged, allowed that it may have been intended to be ambiguous (both literal and symbolic/metaphoric possibilities crossed my mind), and moved on. The style here seemed slightly out of character of your writing.

In a way I'm glad there was something cut here and that I didn't just miss something. In a way I wish the section wasn't cut. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->



Scott, I've thoroughly enjoyed your books so far. I'm always looking for fiction that stands outside of the cookie cutter mold that much of the fantasy genre seems to come in lately. I can honestly say that you rank up there with Steven Erikson, Greg Egan and George RR Martin as one of my favorite authors.

Thanks for catching my attention! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

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