Three Seas Forum

the archives

dusted off in read-only


Kidruhil Lancer Auditor | joined 07 May 2005 | 80 posts

Language posted 07 May 2005 in Writing TipsLanguage by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'd have to say that my biggest struggle as a writer is what to do about language. In a purely made-up world, how can you mention names of places/groups/peoples without coming up with a complete language? Or even multiple languages? I can easily create a myriad of names with their own unique sounds, but the difficulty for me comes when I have to rationalize them. ( Why is this city called such-and-such? Which part of its name means this or that..? )

So my question is, as a writer whose language skills are seriously lacking in the creative department, should I just wing it and be consistant? Or should I simply make statements such as "they spoke the such-and-such tongue", and let the reader assume? view post

Language posted 07 May 2005 in Writing TipsLanguage by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Thanks so much. I found the links to that website in another post on this forum, and I bookmarked it immediately. heh. There are alot of awesome resources there. Thanks again for the answer! view post

How much is too much? posted 08 May 2005 in Writing TipsHow much is too much? by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

When it comes to the scale of a story, just how much scale is too much? I'm sure this would depend in part upon the writers abilities, the flow of the story, and so on...

For instance, what if the story requires upwards of 10 or more main characters? Each neccessary for the plot to advance properly?

Is it better to change the story so that there isn't a need for so many main characters?

Any random advice or pointers anyone could offer would be most appreciated. Thanks!

- David view post

Great News - and please post what work you are all doing. posted 09 May 2005 in Writing TipsGreat News - and please post what work you are all doing. by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I've been moving from idea to idea for almost 7 years now. Ideas that range from horribly unoriginal to painfully impossible. At the moment, I have two ideas that are plausible enough and original enough for me to consider writing. I'll outline the one that's easiest to summarize.

War. (Naturally. What is a good medieval story without war?)

War between the Light and the Darkness. Two shapeless entities, void of intelligence. Opposite powers, opposite elements that war with each other simply because it's in their nature. The Light is no more good than the Darkness is evil.

They each have servants. Creatures of varying degress of intelligence and power who wage wars against the other side. They draw their power from whichever side they choose.

The story takes place within a world whose gods have perished... opening the door for minions from the Darkness and from the Light to enter their world and fight their endless battles.

The story, as I see it at the moment, will cover subjects like the nature of Good and Evil. That neither force really exists, except in the actions of lesser beings. That there aren't any all-knowing powers that are purely good or purely evil. That the real forces behind good and evil are shapeless powers, whose servants are the ones who really do the dirty work. The harmony of the universe, of the cycle of existance between life and death.

At the moment, I'm working on flushing our characters and plot possibilities with a writing buddy of mine. (Through roleplay, basically.) So it may be quite a while before I ever actually sit down and write anything concrete.

But there it is. Sheesh... I really suck at explaining things... view post

A few questions . . . posted 11 May 2005 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Not fair! Mentioning history that we're not privy to... I think we should riot. *Nod.* <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Heh. Sorry. I'm a big one for reading the history behind the story. ( Was a big fan of the Silmarillion. ) Maybe someday soon you can pile all the ancient history into a file and post it up on the board for us history nuts? Please please please...? view post

Bad, bad book. BAAAD. posted 11 May 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionBad, bad book. BAAAD. by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

The Grapes of Wrath by Steinbeck. The first what.. four pages of the book? Are about a flippin turtle crossing the road. And I know it was an analogy... but still... By the time the damn thing got hit by the truck my brain had fallen out. view post

About Nonmen posted 15 May 2005 in Author Q &amp; AAbout Nonmen by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Okay here's a question... if the Nonmen once warred against the Inchoroi and the Consult... then why are they now the "badguys" so to speak? Why do nonmen ride with the Sranc? view post

Some Random Thoughts on TTT posted 15 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSome Random Thoughts on TTT by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Firstly, did anyone, by about 2/3 of the way through W-P really start hating Kellhus? Or is it just me? Between everyone fawning all over him and him taking Esmi from Akka, I just... found myself wanting to strangle the dude. By the end of the book I can tolerate him again, but I still find myself hating Esmi and frankly every other character who goes all mushy eyed over him. ( Serwe included! )

Anyway, enough of ranting.

My take on the Thousandfold Thought, is that it has something to do with connecting with the minds of those around him. Whether it has to do with sorcery or not is still a question in my mind... but I think it's just a further step in what Kellhus had already discovered about his abilities to influence the actions of world-born men. ( I'm betting that his father has also discovered this. Perhaps even that his father has done the same with the Cishaurim or even the Fanim. ) Remember that several times in the latter portion of the book, Scott mentions Kellhus speaking with other peoples lips. (Of course this may also just be my misinterpretation of a metaphor.)

As far as my guesses about what will happen in TTT ... I doubt that the No-God will be awakened by the end of the book. So far, (As far as my memory serves), none of the consult has mentioned anything about being close to reviving him. And if they could already revive him, I'm betting they would have already. I think by the end of TTT the Fanim will have been defeated/subdued/converted... and Kellhus will have established his own kingdom/empire in the southern lands, possibly even in the northern lands as well. Remember that the next set of books, (which take place 20 years further on {Mr. Bakker said this himself}) will be titled (as a set) The Aspect-Emperor. Now, unless the Prince of Nothing ends with a big cliff-hanger or Scott has a brand new enemy in store for the next set of books, I'm doubting that the No-God will be awakened by the end of TTT. (Mainly because his defeat seems to warrant at least a fourth book to the set, and because if he isn't defeated... well... I doubt that there would be another set of books. Mwahaha. )

That's about it for my guesses on the future.

Any comments? view post

Some Random Thoughts on TTT posted 15 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSome Random Thoughts on TTT by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I just want to say that while I don't think the No-God will be awakened, I do think that a major confrontation between the Consult and the world of men is likely. Whether it will be open war or simply sorcery is beyond me (again). But based on the events at the tail end of the W-P, I think at least one pitched battle is likely... But again, just a guess. view post

Some Random Thoughts on TTT posted 22 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSome Random Thoughts on TTT by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Funny how a random comment of mine can spark so many opinions. All really meant was that The character annoys me because she fawns over Kellhus so much. I'm a practical person, and unless there's some funny business going on with Kellhus using magic for his manipulations, I don't think I'd end up that way. I'd follow him certainly, but more from a sense that he knows alot more about what he's doing than I do.

As for Esmi's betrayal... the fact that she let Akka go so easily without even being sure that he was dead, and in so short a time too... really just makes me lose respect for her. Whore or not... she moved on pretty quickly. It wasn't just a bid to keep her place among the high and mighty... she gave herself body and soul to Kellhus. Honestly, I just can't look past that. And I doubt Akka will be able to either. view post

Help! (Erikson Books) posted 22 May 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionHelp! (Erikson Books) by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'm an american. Anyone know how I can get my hands on the other books in the series without having to wait for them to be published here? Any way to order them online without the shipping prices being catastrophic?

I really don't want to have to wait for ever to read all these books! I was shocked to find out only two are published here... but there are 5 (?) already out!

Anyway, if anyone has any helpful information, I'd really appreciate it! view post

A Question About Facts.. posted 22 May 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA Question About Facts.. by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I was just curious, Mr Bakker. Do you have most of your facts about your world already set in stone?

I know personally, when I make up a world, alot of the things I come up with, such as the smaller details, I make up as soon as someone asks me. Which makes me greatly value questions.

So my question is... are all your facts already set in stone? Or are there times that... when the right question is asked (probably by White Lord, heh)... that you make up a fact on the spot to answer the question? Maybe something you hadn't thought of before until someone asked..?

(I hope that makes sense...) view post

Help! (Erikson Books) posted 22 May 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionHelp! (Erikson Books) by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I guess I could have checked first! Duh.... For anyone else who's curious about this... you can order the books through without having to wait for the US version. Or so I hope... view post

An Epilogue ( Critisism please! ) posted 29 May 2005 in Member Written WorksAn Epilogue ( Critisism please! ) by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

( And be as mean as you want to be. I realize it's rather backwards to start with the epilogue, but it's what I have on hand. I may post more on this particular story as I write it, {I have alot that just needs to be rewritten}, but for now.. if anyone could give me their thoughts on my writing style..etc.. Don't be afraid to be honest! )

The First Spring - The Day of a Thousand Flowers
As witnessed by Dhana al Goren, an acolyte.

Even now, years later, words fail to capture the beauty of that day. I can only pray that a lifetime is long enough to supply me with the right words to properly express my feelings, and to do justice to the events that I witnessed.

We had won. And we were one.

When the mourning had ended... When we'd buried the dead and healed the living, the celebrations began. Through every street of the ancient city, through every park and glen in Gardens, from the Silver Wall to the battle-scarred Throat, the people of the Broken Kingdom cheered. We drank water without care. We ate the fruit from the trees and harvested the crops that we'd sown. We roasted pigs and cows and gorged ourselves on pastries.

The soldiers who had held the Throat until Jharin's arrival became instant heroes. Only one in ten of those who'd held that post had survived. Half of them were married before the sun hit noon. I confess to dancing with more than one dashing soldier flushed with the embarressment of sudden glory. There was no shame on that day. There was no shadow nor darkness. We were free from the doom that had sought us out.

Only one thing remained. We were one... and we needed one leader.

There was little question in anyone's mind who that leader should be.

There was hardly room to breathe in the Hall of Flowers. So many had packed in so close to witness the crowning of the king. The Sisters were all there. Every surviving chieftain was in attendance. The Albalah stood beside her husband, fresh with the glow of a pregnant woman. Their son stood with them, and those gathered viewed the child with awe and wonder. The tale of his deeds at the Battle of the Throat had spread like wildfire through the tribes. There were some who accorded him as much honor for the victory as they gave to Jharin.

The sun streamed in through the broken roof... and silence fell as Jharin knelt on the dusty stones.

Nmir lifted the crown and held it above Jharin. As the Sunrose Circle settled about his head... the world rang like a struck bell. The earth trembled and the sun became so bright that we covered our eyes. A voice like thunder spoke for all to hear, booming from the lips of the Albalah.

"As it was... it is. One prophecy is fulfilled while another awaits its time. One sin is forgiven... one blemish is cleaned. No longer will this be a place of sand and stone."

The voice crashed in our ears and resounded in our souls. In our tens of thousands... we fell to our knees. We wept... we felt... we saw... and Sandraken bloomed. Within every border of the Old Kingdom, from north to south and east to west... lands that were once dry and barren became green beneath the sky. There were forests and rivers and sweeping grasslands. There were plants and beasts that we couldn't name. And there was rain...

The King and his son were the only ones still standing. The Albalah had collapsed into the arms of the Sisters, and even Nmir was kneeling. We took a collective breath and waited for the King to speak.

"One tribe, one people. We are a kingdom."

Our cheers, like thunder, shook the sky. view post

Need Help with a Reading List... posted 30 May 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionNeed Help with a Reading List... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Can anyone suggest any good books to read? On par with Bakker, Martin, Erikson? I've been doing some searching on, and I'm planning to go to a Barnes and Nobles soon to browse the shelves.. but if anyone has any good suggestions I'd really appreciate it.

I'm also interesting in SciFi. I've been reading anthologies lately.. and I loved the Dune books. Although I do need to read all the ones written by his son.

( I'm not in a terrible hurry, since my Malazan books {3, 4, and 5} should be arriving any day now... but it would be nice to have worked up a good list of books by the time I run out of material again. )

Anyway, thanks in advance for any help!

- David view post

An Epilogue ( Critisism please! ) posted 30 May 2005 in Member Written WorksAn Epilogue ( Critisism please! ) by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

( I don't expect much in the way of advice, now that I think about it. heh. It's kind of hard to critique something when you're not really sure what you're reading. It might help if you read the epilogue as if you've already read the book... there are hints there about what sort of things happened and so on. Mainly I'm just looking for some random thoughts about style and use of metaphors.. ) view post

I have a random question... posted 30 May 2005 in Author Q &amp; AI have a random question... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

And I'm sure there are probably a few people who know the answer to this already... but just out of curiosity... what does the R. stand for in Mr. Bakker's name? view post

Things I will not accept in an argument posted 30 May 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionThings I will not accept in an argument by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'd have to agree with what a few others said.

Especially about taking things too personally. It really bugs me when I try to discuss something with a person and they either, A: Think that I'm trying to argue with them, or B: assume I'm saying that they're wrong.

Another thing that bugs me.. When people try to repeat the crap they've heard before about a certain topic. As a christian, I hear this alot. Alot of people seem to want to take a stereo-typical stance on christianity. ... that we're bigots who hate homosexual's is usually the most common stereo-type. Or people that try to argue about christianity without knowing all the facts. ( Either they haven't read the Bible, or they've read and mis-understood. ) view post

A question about the Prologue posted 01 June 2005 in Writing TipsA question about the Prologue by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Obviously there are certain elements that have to be present in the prologue. It has to be engaging enough to grab the reader.. ( or the publisher! ).. it has to introduce the reader to your world.. and give the at least a reasonable perception of what's going on.

Now my question is...

Is it okay to have an interesting, engaging character in the prologue that appears rarely, if ever again? Or would it frustrate the reader to get interested in a character only to be pushed on to another? I know there's a fine like to walk. For instance, in TDtCB, Kellhus appears in the prologue, but then isn't around again for quite a ways into the book. I can remember being somewhat miffed, but only until I started paying attention to what was happening.

So, is it reasonable to assume that the reader will forgive the slight if the real main characters are just as interesting and engaging?

Or should I try and make the prologue about one of the characters appearing later? Or should I just not worry so much? view post

It's true! posted 01 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionIt's true! by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Finally! George Martin is FINALLY done with AFfC. The announcement was on his sight two days ago.. So hopefully the book will be available for perchase soon. The downside is... all the best characters aren't even in it. He cut the book into two parts, and put most of the overflow (characters like Jon, Samwise, and all the northern characters... as well as all the characters from across the sea) into Dance with Dragons. Grrrr!

But at least one of his books will be out. And between him and Erikson, and soon hopefully TTT, I'll be able to survive until Dance with Dragons.

Yea. view post

More about Erikson books... posted 01 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Okay, I got Midnight Tides in the mail today. Now... I ordered 3 4 and 5, and I had to get 5 before the others. Sheesh.

Anyone know if I can read the 5th one without it interfering plot wise with the other two? Or should I just wait the day and a half that it'll probably take for the other two to get here..? view post

More about Erikson books... posted 01 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'm looking over the Prologue for MT... and I think you're right. I really need to wait for the other books. In fact, I may need to re-read the first two before I start the new ones. Or at least scan random information. Alot of the facts have squirmed out of my head. Mostly, the stuff they mention about ancient races , the Warrens, and ancient history. The back of the book in itself confused me...

"-a confrontation with the still-raw wound of an old betrayal and the craving for revenge at its seething heart..."

Who or what was betrayed...? view post

Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 02 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Being a christian, my opinion on this matter is obviously black and white.

Everyone already knows the judeo-christian stance on gay marriage and so forth, so I won't bother with the doctrine. My personal opinion on the matter however... is that if they want to get married let them get married. The only thing I have a problem with is ministers who agree to marry a gay couple or performing such a marriage in a church. For the simple reason that... without question... the Bible clearly says that homosexuality is a sin.

Now, before you all start grabbing your pitchforks... that doesn't mean that people who make that choice for their lifestyle aren't human, or that christians hate them. And if anyone is of that opinion, you've obviously seriously misunderstood a fundamental truth about christianity. Either that or... as so commonly happens.... you've allowed yourself to believe that all christians are this way because of the actions of the most vocal among us.

But either way... my answer is the same. I don't see why they shouldn't get married... but getting married in a church or having a minister say "by the power invested in me by God.." just wouldn't be right.

Which... I don't see why that should bother homosexual couples anyway. Why would you want to get married according to the practices of a religious institution that considers what your doing to be a sin? view post

More about Erikson books... posted 02 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Someone other than Erikson wrote a book set in his world?

That doesn't make any sense... view post

Signs of PoN Addiction posted 03 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; ASigns of PoN Addiction by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'd just like to say that that's about the funniest thing I've read yet on the board. I bet Scott's gonna bust a gut too. view post

Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 03 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

The conservatists would argue that... this country was founded unquestionably on christian beliefs. Nine-tenths of our laws are based on the Ten Commandments. ( And for the record, I'd really like to punch in the face the IDIOT! who was offended by the Ten commandments being put up as a display in front of a courthouse. Some people in this country are just too friggin sensetive! )

But, as I said before, and as you said, it would contradict the ideals of our country to bar gay marriage. On the other hand, I still hold firm on the ideal that christian marriage shouldn't be an option. view post

More about Erikson books... posted 03 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Wow. That's really interesting... And he publishes books too?

Alric, are you sure about the correct spelling of that book and the author's name? I cannot find any sign of that book nor any books by that author on or on view post

More about Erikson books... posted 03 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Drat. Well, I'll have to make a point to try and get a hold on it sometime. As well as his other novella's. Thanks Murrin.

And Alric, be sure and let us know how Night of Knives was. Wouldn't that be odd if this other guy turned out to be a better writer than Erikson?

And why does Erikson seem to get all the credit for the series? Is that just a popularity thing, is he stealing the other guy's thunder, or did he come up with most of the material himself and thus gets to write the bulk of it?

Anyone know? view post

Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 03 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

See, you fall into the category of people who've misunderstood.

The random collection of laws you just mentioned, most of them from Paul's letter's to the churches of old europe, are 1) Solutions to problems those specific churches were having, 2) His personal opinions on the matter as a man of God, and 3) outdated.

Now, you may think that this is proving your point about us picking a choosing our laws... But christian's are supposed to follow the Ten Commandments strictly. I can't say anything for divorce, although the Bible does outline when it's okay for a married couple to separate... I believe that divorce is wrong, because if you've screwed up and married the wrong person then that's your problem not the state's. As far as sex before marriage, that is a sin, and I'm sure there are an abundance of ways you can deal with that. But the fact remains that our religion is built on forgiveness, not on harsh punishment.

And as for slaughtering all the Cannanites... Alot of things happened before Grace. And if you don't know what grace is, I recommend Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John. All very good books. view post

Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 03 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Thought I'd add more, since there were a few things in your post I didn't adress.

Randomly, the Ten Commandments predate any philisophical works by the athenians. And our legal system was based on christian laws for the simple reason that our country was founded by christian men. Not all of them, but alot of them.

And you can't make laws about honoring your parents or adultery... unless you want to infringe on people's rights.

And as far as judging other's is concerned... I can't vouch for what everyone else does. I can only keep an eye on myself. view post


The Three Seas Forum archives are hosted and maintained courtesy of Jack Brown