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posts by Fanim Commoner | joined 11 Apr 2005 | 7

Will the Fanim finally get a break? posted 11 Apr 2005, 10:04 in Author Q & AWill the Fanim finally get a break? by Fanim, Commoner

For obvious reasons, I tend to sympathize with the Fanim who are on the receiving end of a bloodthirsty crusade. Two good books on the subject are Amin Maalouf's "The Crusades seen by Arab eyes", or Karen Armstrong's "Holy War". Well, we know at least the Consult fears the Cishaurim enough to make them a primary target, when the Mandate Schoolment are considered of little import, a nuisance at best. So can we expect a righting of the balance in TTT? view post

posted 15 Apr 2005, 05:04 in Author Q & AWill the Fanim finally get a break? by Fanim, Commoner

It seems this forum's new post notification feature is broken. Thanks to all who replied. [quote="Cu'jara Cinmoi":2nrwrec9]Welcome aboard, Fanim. It's too bad you're asking a question that's impossible for me to answer! :wink: I am curious, though, as to what you mean exactly by 'break.' Is it simply a matter of giving the Fanim a military victory, or do you think I'm somehow taking sides?[/quote:2nrwrec9] There are two things that make me somewhat uncomfortable: 1. There is hardly any Fanim character depicted. Skauras gets some time, but mostly vicariously through Conphas' recollections of him, and only at the very last moment (when he realizes the magnitude of the disaster) is he somewhat humanized. The Padirajah is caricatured as a fat buffoon. There is one hint of valor when the Chishaurim messenger to Kellhus shows admirable stoicism in the face of impending death, and one can only agree with his characterization of the Scarlet Spires as "whores". 2. The history of the Crusades is one of a massive demographic burst in Western Europe finding an outlet in the Middle East (as Saubon, many of the crusaders were motivated by the perspective of gaining kingdoms or fiefs in the East). But their initial victories were due in no small part to the total disarray and lack of leadership on the other side, which was reversed by Nasruddin and later Saladin. In the Inrithi Holy War, they face an already organized and competent foe, not to mention one adequately provisioned and manned, yet they consistently snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. In some ways the first two installments remind me of Frank Herbert's Dune, with the Dunyain being analogous to the Bene Gesserit. My reading of Dune is actually sympathetic to the Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV and Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, who both express regret at the distasteful political necessity of having to destroy the Atreides, whereas Paul Muad'dib is a man who uses his superior genetics to unleash a fanatical and genocidal jihad on the galaxy. I must be a contrarian. Herbert's subtle and complex portrayal of the Atreides' foes in the book leaves the possibility of empathizing with them and taking their side. The Fanim in the first two volumes of PoN are too one-dimensional for that. view post

posted 15 Apr 2005, 20:04 in Author Q & AWill the Fanim finally get a break? by Fanim, Commoner

[quote="Cu'jara Cinmoi":1n257ge4]But the fact is that logistics don't make for much drama, so I follow the 'manna from heaven' tradition of military historical narrative.[/quote:1n257ge4] You, sir, have clearly not watched Jerry Bruckheimer's reality TV production "Saving private Jessica Lynch"... view post

posted 25 Apr 2005, 08:04 in Author Q & AFeelings for our protaganist by Fanim, Commoner

Kellhus' trajectory is clear from the very beginning in the callous way he treats Leweth, the man who rescued him as he left the Dunyain. No sympathy from me there. view post

posted 04 May 2005, 21:05 in Author Q & AWill the Fanim finally get a break? by Fanim, Commoner

[quote="Cu'jara Cinmoi":1tt7u50z]I'm particularly interested in the contemporaneous accounts - its a good way to get a feel for the medieval psyche.[/quote:1tt7u50z] Not about the fall of Baghdad, but you may find this [url=]this contemporary account of the Crusades[/url:1tt7u50z] interesting view post

posted 09 Jul 2005, 21:07 in Author Q & APsukhe vs The Gnosis by Fanim, Commoner

Achamian makes no bones of his contempt for the Scarlet Spires. He thinks of himself as a philosopher, not a sorcerer. A universe in which magic is possible does not have the same metaphysical underpinnings as ours. The whole notion of objective reality becomes moot if thought can modify reality. Incidentally this is the same world many of our contemporaries think we live in, at least those who read books like Norman Vincent Peale's "The power of wishful^H^H^H^H^H^H^H positive thinking". If you thought capricious and arbitrary governments are bad, just think of what capricious and arbitrary physics mean. The Gnosis' superiority may lie in the fact the Mandate knows what it is doing, unlike the other Schools that just try recipes without understanding why they work. The fact the Mandate cannot see the Psukhe either suggests their understanding is not complete either. The real question is, why is the Consult so desperate to destroy the Cishaurim, while the anagogic schools are merely a distraction? It must be that the Psukhe is a danger to the Tekhne, more so than even the Gnosis. After all, the fact they could almost destroy the Scarlet Spires while undetected suggests they work on another plane altogether, just like the Psukhe. view post

posted 27 Feb 2006, 02:02 in Author Q & AJust finished TTT by Fanim, Commoner

[quote="Cu'jara Cinmoi":2mj6oq58]As for figuring Kellhus out, I'm afraid that interpretative underdetermination combined with our natural inclination to cherry pick would make settling the question impossible. Thus, the spectre of narrative suspense...[/quote:2mj6oq58] I just finished my copy today. The poor Fanim still can't get a break, and to top it, they now have a Leto II Atreides or Genghis Khan grade psychopath to lord it over them. Oddly enough, the few people I developed sympathy for the book, apart from Achamian, of course, are: 1. the Inchoroi, stranded on an alien planet and immediately set upon by the genocidal Cû'jara-Cinmoi who tries to exterminate at first contact them for no better reason than their appearance. See the glossary entry for Cuno-Inchoroi Wars: "Repelled by the obscene aspect of the Inchoroi, Cû'jara-Cinmoi had them put to death". 2. Ikurei Conhas, who is dispatched in a truly undignified way by that buffoon Saubon. Unlike Kellhus, he had an inkling of the wages of pride when a mortal tangles with the Gods I am not looking forward to The Aspect Emperor either. view post


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