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posts by nonman_erratic Commoner | joined 15 Feb 2009 | 9

Re: Chorae (SPOILERS!!!!) posted 22 Mar 2009, 07:03 in The Judging EyeChorae (SPOILERS!!!!) by nonman_erratic, Commoner

When I read the bit about Mimara and the Chorae, I started drawing parallels with the PoN... There were several rhetorical arguments regarding Kelhus as a prophet learning the Gnosis... How could it be blasphemous for the mouth of God to speak the Word of God... What about a Tear of God coming from the Judging Eye (of god? - As per the explanation in TJE, there is a small piece of God in every person - Some obviously inherit ?his? judging eye)... I have a feeling that The Judging Eye of Mimara is going to be significant with regards to the ultimate Damnation of Sorcerers... Part of the whole subjectively objective right and wrong system in Earwa. If the Eye of Judgement is able to be modified such that it no longer sees the sorcerous as damned, subsequently the subjective damnation could be altered? view post

Re: Small things in TJE that you liked posted 22 Mar 2009, 07:03 in The Judging EyeSmall things in TJE that you liked by nonman_erratic, Commoner

Just about everything to do with Cleric was my favorite... I really liked his sermon on the descent into darkness, and the holiness of such a trek... The blinding light, and the true God being all things beyond mortal comprehension - the very edges of which only being attainable in darkness. It blew my f#@king mind... The fact that Cleric is Canadian.... "Where does all the judgement go, [b:2t0n5jwj]Eh[/b:2t0n5jwj], Wizard?" Gin'yursis's bit, "I am lost... All the doors are different... And the thresholds... Are Holy... No more... more... more..." That, and the bit in the bar in Marrow, when Cleric goes, "I remember the slaughter of.... [i:2t0n5jwj]of children[/i:2t0n5jwj]." With an inwardly laughing sob... And Kosoter's response, "A man... has got to remember." Memories make us sane. view post

Re: The eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* posted 22 Mar 2009, 07:03 in The Judging EyeThe eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* by nonman_erratic, Commoner

I was unclear whether the eye in the heart was because of Cil Aujas being a topos, or whether it was a result of the black stuff... I read the black stuff / great dark seal to be part of the dying, "Curse of Gin'yursis," against men... It seemed to affect Cleric quite differently. One of possession rather than death. I am totally <sic> dying... to find out if Cleric escaped the possession because of some inward strength of his own, or whether he was released from possession when Mimara scuttled the curse. What's with this Nonman obsession with the gates being unguarded? Did you hear the one about the guy who went into the French restaurant and noticed an eye in his heart? He called the waiter over to inform him. The waiter promptly said, "Shhhh... Otherwise [i:3gxnsifi]Everyone[/i:3gxnsifi] will want one..." view post

Re: This board blows. posted 14 Apr 2009, 02:04 in The Judging EyeThis board blows. by nonman_erratic, Commoner

I prefer the three seas, actually... The topics are better delineated, and there is much less thread drift. ASOIF goes all over the place, and I am not particularly interested in the neverending, skewed misogny topic that the soap-boxers get going on... i think this board would be better if Scott posted on it again... The fact that he is posting about his own books on a different author's forum doesn't totally make sense to me... view post

Re: Celmomian Prophesy, Seswatha Dreams, and the &quot;Present&quot; posted 30 Apr 2009, 14:04 in The Judging EyeCelmomian Prophesy, Seswatha Dreams, and the &quot;Present&quot; by nonman_erratic, Commoner

The Anasurimbor "founder" of the line that was continued in Ishual was Anasurimbor Ganrelka II - He was rescued from battle by knights of Tryse and taken to the refuge of Ishual with his family, which included his bastard son. Ganrelka II was a son of Celmomas II, best and most hated friend of Seswatha. So, the bastard Anasurimbor would have been grandson to Celmomas, and would technically have NO blood relation to Anasurimbor Nau-Cayuti, if Cayu was in fact Seswatha's son. view post

Re: Celmomian Prophesy, Seswatha Dreams, and the &quot;Present&quot; posted 01 May 2009, 03:05 in The Judging EyeCelmomian Prophesy, Seswatha Dreams, and the &quot;Present&quot; by nonman_erratic, Commoner

Are you implying that the trickle of information Akka is getting from Seswatha's mundane life dreams are a result of Kellhus manipulating Seswatha's homunculus within Akka? I hadn't looked at it as deliberate as that... I felt it was more likely that Akka's current dream patterns were a result of a more passively inherent property of Seswatha's homunculus within the Mandati - That he seems to respond to their needs... Previous Mandati did not dream of Ishual because they had no need to know about Ishual. Or they did not know they needed to know about Ishual. view post

Re: Favourite quotes, lyrics or just words..... posted 03 May 2009, 04:05 in Off-Topic DiscussionFavourite quotes, lyrics or just words..... by nonman_erratic, Commoner

I saw Theweakerthans at the Burt the other day... view post

Re: *Spoilers* Favourite new character. posted 11 May 2009, 18:05 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Favourite new character. by nonman_erratic, Commoner

I've been trying to decipher the meaning behind the name 'Incariol'... Linguistics/etymology was never my strong suit, but here goes... Inc- : The closest we have is "Inchoroi' which from PON glossaries seems to mean something along the lines of 'Empty People' / 'People of Emptiness'... Inc/Inch- being 'empty', and -roi being 'people' (cf. ishroi - With ish- being 'high/holy', and '-roi' being people'). Incu-Holoinas - I assume Holoinas is 'skies'... Incu = Ark? So, Inc- in Incariol could either be Ark or Emptiness... -ar- : I have no idea... This one was hard to search for. Perhaps a necessary conjunction joining the start and the end of the word without much meaning?? Otherwise I am stumped... -iol : All I can find are names of nonmen mansions... Siol, Ishoriol. 'Ish' we already have as 'high/holy/exalted'... '-iol' has some meaning along the lines of 'home,' 'stronghold,' 'mansion,' or, 'hall' (Ishoriol = Exalted Hall...) So, best I can come up with, at a stretch... Incariol roughly = 'Empty Place'... or perhaps 'Home of emptiness,' 'stronghold of emptiness', 'empty hall,' 'empty vessel'?... Soul-less one? Or, perhaps, 'Prince of Nothing'?? Thoughts? view post

Re: Incariol, what does it mean? posted 25 Aug 2009, 04:08 in The Judging EyeIncariol, what does it mean? by nonman_erratic, Commoner

[quote="Thorsten":923wiurl] a) In [b:923wiurl]Ishüal[/b:923wiurl] 'Exalted Grotto' (TT:556), [b:923wiurl]Ishterebinth[/b:923wiurl] 'Exalted Stronghold' (TT:556), [b:923wiurl]Ishoriöl[/b:923wiurl] 'Exalted Hall' (TT:556) and [b:923wiurl]Ishroi[/b:923wiurl] 'exalted ones' (TT:555) the element [b:923wiurl]ish-[/b:923wiurl] must mean 'exalted' and always comes in front. From the last word, one can also infer [b:923wiurl]#roi[/b:923wiurl] '[a] people'. b) This appears also in [b:923wiurl]Halaroi[/b:923wiurl] 'men' (TT:521), [b:923wiurl]Inchoroi[/b:923wiurl] 'people of emptiness' (TT:522) and [b:923wiurl]Cûnuroi[/b:923wiurl] 'nonmen' (TT:523). [b:923wiurl]Inchoroi[/b:923wiurl] must thus literally be '[of]-emptiness-people'. This is in fact confirmed, because we get the etymology of the other two words in an older form of the language as [b:923wiurl]ji cûnu roi[/b:923wiurl] 'the People of Dawn' (TT:581) and [b:923wiurl]j'ala roi[/b:923wiurl] 'the People of Summer' (ibid). Here, [b:923wiurl]j(i)[/b:923wiurl] is probably the article 'the', but just possibly an inflection marker, but [b:923wiurl]cûnu[/b:923wiurl] must be '[of] dawn' and [b:923wiurl]ala[/b:923wiurl] '[of] summer', so literally we have 'the [of]-dawn-people' and 'the [of]-summer-people. c) In [b:923wiurl]Incû-Holoinas[/b:923wiurl] 'Ark of the Skies' (TT:521), [b:923wiurl]Holoinas[/b:923wiurl] must mean 'ark' because in TT:524 it is mentioned that Nonmen kept a watch on the [b:923wiurl]Holoinas[/b:923wiurl] - it is unlikely that they kept looking at the sky all the time. So, literally this must mean 'of-the-skies-ark'. 3) The change from [b:923wiurl]j'ala roi[/b:923wiurl] to [b:923wiurl]Halaroi[/b:923wiurl] clearly indicates that sound shifts occur in the language development - the same element may therefore appear in slightly different guise in different words. If all that is not too far off the track, I'd put my money in for [b:923wiurl]Incariol[/b:923wiurl] as being composed from [b:923wiurl]Inca-oriol[/b:923wiurl] 'hall of the sky'. Anyway - I found the following Nonman words, phrases and names which offer useful information: [b:923wiurl]Siörgil[/b:923wiurl] 'Shining Death' (TT:524) [b:923wiurl]Ishoriöl[/b:923wiurl] 'Exalted Hall' (TT:556) There are significantly more names, but for the most part they remain untranslated. If anyone comes across other translated bits, please let me know![/quote:923wiurl] Great post. I am going to speculate that Siöl = Shining Hall. (Siö- or Siör- = Shining, while -iöl = hall). Not wanting to sound silly with Siöliöl/Siörliöl, the nonmen dropped the double-double. Like Boutros Boutros Ghali should've done. I posted previously on the etymology behind Incariol... I had a similar sort of take on it... I follow your logic though am not sure on the "Inc- / Incu-" component. How do you reconcile Inchoroi with Incu-Holoinas? Or do you think the addition of the -h vs the -u to 'Inc' changes the meaning drastically? We both agree that -roi = people and -iöl = "Hall/Stronghold"... And that the Inchoroi were named 'people of emptiness'... From there I postulated that Incariol equated to something along the lines of "Empty Hall/Stronghold"... Which I stretched to "Soul-less One"... If one stretches your translation a little, you could perhaps go from "Hall of the Sky," (of-the-skies-stronghold) to something along the lines of, "Stronghold of the Heavens/ Heavenly Stronghold"... So we could have Incariol as either a Heavenly Body, or a Soulless Erratic... Not so far off of where I think his character could go... Either a dark saviour, or an erratic waiting for a trauma. view post


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