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What book or book series reminds you most of PON posted 18 Dec 2005, 22:12 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I was just curious to see what people thought PON was similar to. When I read the first two novels I was strongly reminded of Dune. view post

posted 19 Dec 2005, 00:12 by Nauticus, Auditor

The closest I can think of is the Chain of Dogs plotline in [i:1ek3rnjt]Deadhouse Gates[/i:1ek3rnjt], written by Steven Erikson. view post

posted 19 Dec 2005, 02:12 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I don't think I was overtly reminded of any other novel except for the obvious references to things that many, many, many epic fantasy novels all draw from. As was stated above if I was going to be reminded of any one thing the Chain of Dogs thread from Erickson's Malazan Book of the Fallen books would be as close as it gets, and thats just for a visceral, emotional, and gritty portrayel of war and the soldiers involved. TPON goes way above Malazan on a philosophical and cerebral level though, as much as I absolutly love both series. (My top two picks in fantasy right now.) view post

posted 21 Dec 2005, 00:12 by Scilvenas, Auditor

Zindell's [i:qf9nkjhx]Neverness[/i:qf9nkjhx]. Plot-wise, the books have nothing in common, but the content and style are very similar. view post

posted 24 Jan 2006, 04:01 by DB_Cooper07, Commoner

I most closely relate it to lord of the Rings... it has that feeling. I really think the writing styles are quite similar also. If you look at Strider/Aragorn v. Kellhus... its almost a shoe in. Some of the city names... Asgilioch v. Osgilioth.... its just has the same feel. The forward to PoN was like a mini-Hobbit to me also... Thats just me though. view post

posted 24 Jan 2006, 04:01 by Nauticus, Auditor

Really? Some of the city names have the homage to Lord of the Rings, but I see [i:14gxpgfu]no[/i:14gxpgfu] comparison between Aragorn and Kellhus, or the writing styles. Tolkein's was a kind of flawed descriptive prose while Bakker is much more darkly poetic. view post

posted 24 Jan 2006, 16:01 by RedShift, Candidate

I'm surprised by the comparison to Neverness. While I can see the parallels, personally I think they're quite different books. Neverness has a much more lyrical feel than the PoN.. but to be honest I can't really say more than that. It just feels different to me. view post

posted 25 Jan 2006, 03:01 by Rahl Windsong, Commoner

The character Kellhus is so completely different from anything Tolkien ever wrote about that I can't possibly see how you came to this conclusion. The only similarity would be that the stories are considered to be in the same type of speculative fiction, fantasy. Aye Chain of Dogs, the march its a similar and the characters Achamian and Duiker are somewhat similar but different enough to be seperate. After all Achamian is a sorcerer of power and Duiker is only a soldier/historian but they have similar minds. Kellhus is the most interesting character I have read to date in anything I have ever read, I quite like that fact. Rahl view post

posted 25 Jan 2006, 11:01 by zarathustra, Peralogue

For me the book I can compare the Prince of Nothing series most closely to is James Clavell's Shogun novel. In many ways the Shogun Taranake(sic?) resmbles Kellhus in his ruthlessness and ability to manipulate events and people. There are also some good battle scenes though the writer ducks out of describing the main battle at the end. The novel also gave me a better understanding of Japanesse culture but it doesn't have the depth and philosophical weight of the Prince of Nothing series. Still a very good read that I'd recommend to everyone on the board. view post

posted 28 Jan 2006, 14:01 by Scilvenas, Auditor

I dunno, RS, there are a lot of small similarities (as there are bound to be in pretty much any two books), but there is no missing the similarity between the Dunyain and the Cetics, Warrior Poets, and Mallory Ringess after Agathange. [quote:3tagwrf3]The first and hardest teaching of our profession always must be to view the world as through the eyes of a child. -Marinar Adam, Twelfth Lord Cetic We do not see things as they are; we see them as we are. -saying of the cetics[/quote:3tagwrf3] view post

posted 28 Jan 2006, 16:01 by Arwyl, Commoner

I'm still in the middle of the first book, but at some point, I thought that it was similar to Dune too. I don't remember which specific part made me think this way, if it was the religious aspect or something else. Maybe when I do a re-read, I'll try to look out for it. view post

posted 29 Jan 2006, 11:01 by RedShift, Candidate

I can't think of two more opposed concepts than the Dunyain's idea of controlling everything and Mallory's original idea of ahimsa (Sorry if that's the wrong word, I haven't read the book for ages...). view post

posted 29 Jan 2006, 15:01 by Scilvenas, Auditor

Nah, Ahimsa didn't come in until the second book. What I'm talking about, in particular, is the way that Mallory Ringess reads peoples faces to read their programming. [quote:1froxlzd]All of this, I should emphasize, I saw in an instant. I think I was reading most of his programs; possibly I was reading his mind. I never talked to him... I bent over, resting my arms on my knees. I gasped for air. All around were children, men and women, and the statues of my father pilots, and I saw in each the set of muscles and neverves which betrayed their programs. A woman with a slender chest and great, streamlined thighs clumsily landed a waltz jump, and I understood-I "saw at a glance," mistaken programming causing her to catch the outside edge of her skate and nearly stumble. Here a pretty boy cried in frustration because he coldn't cut a decent eigt, and there another laughed to hide the ver same emotion, a program he had probably learned from his stoical father. How many programs command the muscles and thoughts of a human being? There are one million, twenty-seven hundred and six. (I am joking, of course. I record this only because an infamous cetic once set himself the taks of counting and classifying all possible programs, and he gave up after reaching this number. The number and variety of programs is potentially infinite, as is man.) There are programs that determining the fluidity of our speed strokes, and there are programs which lead us to lather our bodies in precisely the same manner every tme we bathe... A few rare people, it seemed, were sometimes able to master their beliefs and run their own programs...[/quote:1froxlzd] And so on and so on. view post

posted 30 Jan 2006, 17:01 by RedShift, Candidate

Ah. Fair point. I concede. :) view post

posted 06 Feb 2006, 21:02 by Chris, Commoner

[quote="Nauticus":md7z08o5]Really? Some of the city names have the homage to Lord of the Rings, but I see [i:md7z08o5]no[/i:md7z08o5] comparison between Aragorn and Kellhus, [/quote:md7z08o5] I don't know that the comparison between these two characters is all that off base. Both are the last heirs to an ancient royal house of a great kingdom in the north that is now lightly populated and no longer a kingdom. Both have a touch of kinship with an immortal race that gives the line added years of life. Both were reared in a closed environment by an elite society. Even the names of their groups are similar; Dunedain vs Dunyain. And both have great destinies including restoring their ancient line to its preeminet status over mankind. The obvious differences come with how they leave their respective homes. They both leave at roughly the same point in life but Aragon is driven to seek his destiny as a result of falling in love with someone above his station, a destiny that he sees as a duty and desperately wants to be able to live up to, whereas Kellhus is summoned to his and uses his attributes as a means to manipulate everyone and anyone in a quest for power that he has no compunctions about taking. Of course Aragon lives for a long time amongst the people he comes to rule, often taking low level postions to learn about life while Kellhus takes the Short Path, feeling he knows all he will ever need about people by reading them. view post

posted 08 Feb 2006, 01:02 by Randal, Auditor

No, the main difference between these two characters would be their [i:cim7lnzh]character[/i:cim7lnzh]. Whilst some of their circumstances may be vaguely similar, there couldn't be two more different people in the world. Aragorn is dutiful, honourable, proud, noble, goody-goody. He seems to have little motivation or character in the book, mostly because he's meant to be an archetype and is only seen from the outside. (The whole Arwen story only features in the appendix) Kellhus is... rational, a genius, callous, cold, ruthless. He doesn't have a kind bone in his body, or an honourable one. He will do anything, anything at all to achieve his goal. Had Kellhus found the ring... do you honestly think he wouldn't have used it? He'd have trusted to his Dunyain conditioning to resist the mindcontrol, and who knows, he might have succeeded. (Note: this assessment of Kellhus is pre-TTT, as I haven't read that yet. Maybe he changes. I doubt it, though.) view post

posted 08 Feb 2006, 07:02 by Chris, Commoner

Well hopefully you won't find many too direct comparisons to other series, that would indicate a lack of originality. If you wanted to compare Lord of the Rings to other series you could do a point by point match up with Sword of Shannara, but this isn't a good thing. Sometimes differences serve to enhance some fundamental similarities. What path not taken in his past would have led Aragorn to become more like some of his less savory forebearers, indulge in a little hobbit shish kebob and bestride the world like a colussus? How will a few decades living amongst the world-born change and temper Kellhus? view post

posted 09 Apr 2007, 19:04 by lordnull, Commoner

When I was trying to describe the first two books to someone I said they were like Dune meets Beyond Good and Evil meets the Crusades peppered with Tolkienery. I still believe Dune was a major influence (and I think I read an interiview in which Bakker said as much). I don't know anything about philosophy but Kelhus definitely struck me as a kind of superman big caveat being I know nothing about philosophy so we're kindah relying on Andromeda and my very young mind when I first read Beyond Good and Evil eight million years ago. Recently I read an interivew with Bakker in which he cited Harold Lamb's Crusades lit as a major influence so there you go. The Tolkien strain is difficult to ignore. view post


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