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OS's and Browsers posted 09 Mar 2004, 22:03 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I was wondering what OS's and browsers our different users are using, and if anyone is into computers or programming or web design, etc. At home I use Red Hat Linux 9 and the Mozilla browser, though I am going to switch to Firefox. I dabble in web design with php, mysql, and apache, but am looking to expand into java. If no one finds this interesting, don't worry about replying. view post

posted 10 Mar 2004, 05:03 by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

I've grown to prefer Linux over windows. My background is actually in computer science, so I've been using a variety of unix-variants for a long time. I do a lot of coding in PHP and web design as well. I'm currently redesigning my store via php and mysql. At my day job, I design online courses. Browser is Mozilla based. At work I have to use Windows/Netscape/IE. I avoid IE unless I am working with a customer or testing web compatibility. -Neil view post

posted 10 Mar 2004, 18:03 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I got linux about a year ago for the first time, and absolutely loved it. It so much more customizable than windows, and refreshingly non controlling. I also love all of the programs available for free for it and the ease of setting up servers on it. What sort of courses do you design? view post

posted 11 Mar 2004, 03:03 by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

[quote="Sovin Nai":xuqaj1az]What sort of courses do you design?[/quote:xuqaj1az] A good portion of the courses are designed in a CMS called Blackboard. I try to expand beyond that where I can. For the most part I'm working directly with someone from the faculty. I'm also designing courses to help them learn how design for and teach in an online environment. My goal is to make my job obsolete. I'll be gone from there long before that happens though. -Neil view post

posted 11 Mar 2004, 17:03 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

So you're talking about online university course type of things? view post

posted 12 Mar 2004, 01:03 by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

Yes, they are university-level courses. Mostly undergraduate, but there are a few at the graduate level. Most of the classes offered at the university are traditional in the classroom or a mix of classroom and online. A smaller percentage are totally online. -Neil view post

posted 12 Mar 2004, 22:03 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

What university do you work for? Or do you work for a company that works for various universities? view post

posted 13 Mar 2004, 14:03 by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

I'm currently working for FDU (Fairleigh Dickenson University) in Madison, NJ. I'll probably be somewhere else within a year. Not that it's a bad place, they just don't pay that well and this work is well below what I've done in the last university I worked for (Drew). I was Director of Academic Technology there for over 10 years. -Neil view post

posted 25 Mar 2004, 20:03 by Edge, Peralogue

I'm using IE 6 as my browser. Dunno if I'd go so far as to say I prefer it. Just too lazy to change it. :) view post

posted 27 Mar 2004, 21:03 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

You really should try Mozilla or Firefox at view post

posted 06 Apr 2004, 00:04 by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

Mozilla (or whatever it's name is this month) is definitely worth using over IE if for nothing more than tabbed browsing. I go nuts switching back to IE at work. -Neil view post

posted 07 Apr 2004, 17:04 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Yes, tabs should definitely be added to IE if they want to stay competitive. view post

posted 13 Apr 2004, 02:04 by Loof, Peralogue

I use windows Xp at home since its easyest, and i dont realy feel i have a need for the kind of controll switching to linux would offer. Also since i like to play a computergame from time to time and getting a game to run on linux is even more trublesome.... *shrugs* At school they use sun solaris systems but i have never gotten around to realy learn them. My browser of choice is Mozilla for several reasons, tab's being one of them. I have some experience with programing (thats what im studying i just havent gotten that far yet) mainly C++ and java. I Have also taken a course or two in html mysql and php altho i have forgotten most of it since im more interested in aplication programing then in database codeing or scripting. view post

posted 13 Apr 2004, 15:04 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

It seems to me that Linux would be the best programming platform. It certainly is the best scripting platform, in my experience. view post

posted 13 Apr 2004, 21:04 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I have a dual-boot of Redhat Linux 9 and Windows XP on my Laptop and just XP on my desktop. I use vmware at home on my PC so that way I can install several different OS's whenever I need to without them affecting my hard drive. You might want to give that a try, Loof if you are interested. I like Linux but I do find that Windows XP beats it just for the overall graphics and multimedia aspect. And I prefer Outlook 2003 over the garbage e-mail clients that come with X Windows. Also, I heard that the next version of IE (7.0 I imagine) will feature tabbed browsing as well as a built in pop-up blocker to counter Mozilla. view post

posted 14 Apr 2004, 02:04 by Loof, Peralogue

Thanks for the tip and yeah i have been thinking about going witha dual os setup for a while... but since i have never felt i had the time to realy learn a new OS I have never gotten around to it. As to what is the best programing platform, i think the diference is marginal at best. At least if what you want (like me) is a good IDE (integrated developing enviroment, or something like that) since most of the good ones atleast for java which im working in now exist for both linux, windows and unix platforms. And since most unix/linus programers use emacs to code in and it exists for windows too the reasons to switch OS based on programing needs are'nt that many. About the only one i can think of is gcc which is suposed to be the most eficent compiler around, and since im not selling anything yet i dont realy have a need for that either ;-) view post

posted 14 Apr 2004, 15:04 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I find there's also a certain satisfaction in not using Microsoft products, though. I love the idea of opensource and like to support it. view post

posted 15 Apr 2004, 01:04 by Loof, Peralogue

Yeah I can agree with the openscorce sentiment. But i have never understood the not useing microsoft producs as a principle stand... sure i dont agree with some of their policys but if they make the product that best suits my need I will make it easy for myself and use it, if not i will use what I find most likeable =) But then as i said i have never realy learned Linux so when i do i might find i like it more and switch... who knows *shrugs* view post

posted 15 Apr 2004, 01:04 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I've read articles that speculate if Linux ever manages to make its way onto a majority of desktop computers there could be an increase in viruses and software exploits. That is probably the only bad thing about open source - everyone can see the code and look for ways to exploit it. Of course on the flip side decent-minded people can see the code as well and alert developers to any potential flaw in their kernel code. Anyway, my point is that a lot of the flak Microsoft takes about all their critical patches is not entirely fair. They are just an easier target because people that use their software are the average computer user (read: idiot ;)) while users of Linux tend to keep their systems updated and patched and know enough not to click on shady file attachments. view post

posted 15 Apr 2004, 20:04 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

The satisfaction I mean about not using MS products is not a principles one, just nice to change and see something different and especially, free. I hate how much software costs. view post

posted 15 Apr 2004, 23:04 by Loof, Peralogue

Yeah costs are high for alot of software, although the development time for most software is rather long so in some ways its understandable. One thing thats realy irritating is how much more ecpencive server software can be compared to homeuse counterparts, even if they are both based on the same foundation so to speak. view post

posted 18 Apr 2004, 19:04 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

That is part of why Linux is so sweet. I set up a server using apache with php and mysql capabilities to test pages, and all for free and easily. I love it. I also love the multiple desktops in Linux. view post

posted 19 Apr 2004, 03:04 by Loof, Peralogue

You do know that apache and MySQL exist and are just as free for windows as for unix or linux right? And also some of them do cost money if you use them comercialy i beleve, not sure how much and when. The multiple desktops i can understand that peopel like Although I havent used systems that use them enough to get acustomed to them (only when I work on my schools unix systems, which i do as little as posible since those computers are alot older and slower than my own). But its probably the same kind of thing as getting acustomed to haveing multiple monitors. Working on a comuper with "just one" is so irritating nowdays ;-) which is just silly since it never used to bother me.... view post

posted 19 Apr 2004, 14:04 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I had a 2 monitor system for a while then lost a video card, it was quite frustrating. I really want to get a new one, but alas, money. view post

posted 19 Apr 2004, 15:04 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I love using Apache and MySQL, PHP, etc with Linux. PHPMyAdmin is a very handy database management tool. They are, as Sovin said, great for testing pages and stuff on your own machine first. IIS, that actually comes with Windows 2000 and XP (although it isn't installed by default), is not as good IMO but it is still available. I heard that Microsoft's next version of Windows (Longhorn) is apparently getting further and further pushed back and they might have to cut some of the more ambitious features from it and leave those until the next version after that (can't remember the code name). Anyway, this means we will prolly be seeing a Windows XP version 2.0 rather than the full-fledged next-generation OS as Gates promised :(. view post

posted 16 Jun 2004, 07:06 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

To swing the topic a tad, what distros do those of you who use linux use? I have tried Red Hat, Fedora, and am currently working on getting Slackware running, though I am having mouse problems. view post

posted 16 Jun 2004, 13:06 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

I use Windows XP, only because I've grown up with Windows and know how to use it... and I don't have the time to setup a linux machine. As for browser, I use [url=]Opera[/url:fqh3jgie], because it has tabs, a good download manager, and is faster the IE. view post

posted 16 Jun 2004, 16:06 by Anonymous, Subdidact

I started with Slackware back in 96 when the installation interface was a nightmare. I've since used Redhat (And the majority of ppl I have talked to still say version 7.0 is the best), Gentoo, Fedora, Corel (no more), Mandrake and Debian. Most of those I haven't used very much, though. I like Gentoo as it has some neat features that it borrowed from BSD. For all my classes that involve Linux we use Redhat 7.0 view post

posted 16 Jun 2004, 16:06 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

That was me :oops: view post

posted 17 Jun 2004, 02:06 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

So you are saying that you use an older installation because it is better than the latest? That's something you don't hear very often. You must update the kernel or something though, don't you? And the packages? But then it wouldn't be RH7.0 any more. view post

posted 17 Jun 2004, 21:06 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Well I am thinking more along the lines of implementing Linux in a server environment rather than at home so that means you can't just install the latest version on a whim most of the time. Thus, I've used 7.x of Redhat far longer than 9.0 so I am a little bit of a stickler I guess. And yes, you could update the packages and the kernel and it would basically be like version 9.0 as far as I know. But hearing it from a few of my teachers who are far more knowledgable then myself they claim it is a better version than 9.0. You should really have a look at Gentoo if you are interested in Linux. It is a really neat distro. view post

posted 19 Jun 2004, 00:06 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Will do. I am about to purchase a laptop for school and want to try as many different distros on my desktop before picking one for the laptop. I also have heard that some distros are better suited to laptop use. Any thoughts? view post

posted 20 Jun 2004, 16:06 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Hmm, can't help you there. I run a dual-boot of Windows XP and Redhat 9 off of my laptop but I rarely use Redhat off of it. Have you heard of an application called vmware? It lets you run a virtual computer in a window. So basically in a nutshell you start up vmware and set it to load from a cd or an iso image and you can install a Linux or Windows OS right on that virtual machine. Nice way to test things out before you actually start repartitioning your HD. Really handy program as you can have multiple virtual machines open at once (memory permitting) and network them all together to experiment with certain things. is the address. I'm pretty sure they have a 30-day free trial. view post

posted 22 Jun 2004, 05:06 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Thanks Loose. It sounds like a good idea. view post

posted 25 Jun 2004, 23:06 by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

VMWare is excellent. It was used a lot at my old job. Quite reliable. -Neil view post

posted 27 Jun 2004, 02:06 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I looked into Gentoo, it looks like exactly what I am looking for. I tried to install it though and couldn't get my ethernet adapter drivers running on the PC I wanted to use. I downloaded the html installation guide, but the instructions for just such a situation didn't work. I will pursue further. view post

posted 29 Jun 2004, 00:06 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Good luck :). Suse 9.1 just became available a few weeks ago as an ISO download. Downloaded it and installed it in vmware and had a few problems. Finally got it running and then had to reboot to change the resolution size and now I can't boot it back up. It look really good on first impression, though. view post

posted 29 Jun 2004, 04:06 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Does SuSE charge for their distros? view post

posted 29 Jun 2004, 05:06 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Yes and no. Until a few weeks ago you could only download a Live CD version of SUSE that let you test it out but it runs entirely off CD. You had to pay for it if you wanted to install it on your computer. Although I heard an earlier version was available for download. Anyway I partitioned my hard drive and put SUSE on it a few hours ago. Everything seems to be running fine more or less. SUSE is probably the easiest install of Linux I've ever used. My 84 year old Grandma could install it. view post

posted 31 Dec 2004, 23:12 by AjDeath, Didact

Windows-Firefox. Too lazy to switch from windows. :( view post

posted 05 Feb 2005, 19:02 by DarkMatter, Peralogue

I use Win XP and Firefox 1.0 view post

posted 09 Feb 2005, 03:02 by Anonymous, Subdidact

dual booting slackware 10 and winxp Always had a thing for linux but could never really summon the attention from other projects necessary to really learn to use it. So I ended up sticking it in a smaller partition and use it to recover files from major windows crashes... it's not so much an OS as a system utility for me. Was using opera, then switched to firefox. I like opera better because it has everything firefox has... plus mouse gestures. view post


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