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Epitome posted 20 Nov 2005, 22:11 by Esmi, Candidate

Hi Scott, Just a thought I had; in TDTCB Kelhuss says that "every culture or people think that they are the epitome of it is to be upright men." I was thinking, are not the Dunyain guilty of that same vanity? Kelhuss is often saying (or at least thinking) that the Dunyain are above other men and are essentially the epitome of humanity. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. :) view post

posted 21 Nov 2005, 21:11 by Twayleph, Auditor

I think the fault Khellus refers to is thinking that one's culture or civilization is superior without having any clear understanding of either of them. Inrithi hardly understand their own society, as Khellus often underlines - "They know so little of themselves" - , and next to nothing about other civilizations - all they need to know about the Fanim is that they are wicked and that they should die, quickly and in the most painful way possible. I don't think it's the belief that "A is superior to B" that Khellus condemns, it's holding the belief that "A is superior to B" when you know little of A and nothing of B. Khellus, on the other hand, seems to have a relatively clear understanding of Dûnyain society, which is essentially devoted to Mission and nothing else. We haven't learned that much about Khellus's childhood, but usually before Khellus makes his "I'm superior" statements he's gleaned some understanding of the people he believes he's superior to. He calls Leweth weak after realizing how little control he has over his emotions. He calls world-born men bovine and maladroit after he's spent the last few months dominating an entire army of them with only insights and brilliant acting. That's not to say Khellus is right - in fact, I find myself hoping he's [i:1wso75p3]not[/i:1wso75p3] right - but at least his beliefs seem to be based on evidence, instead of blind faith confusing itself for knowledge. Besides, I find it hard to imagine that people as passionless as the Dûnyain could succomb to such a base emotion as vanity. view post

posted 25 Nov 2005, 15:11 by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

What I would add to Twaleph's excellent reply is that in the dialogue you quote, Esmi, Kellhus is referring to each culture's claims to [i:212a0a8w]moral superiority[/i:212a0a8w] over it's competitors, and there's a real question whether anything resembling morality exists for the Dunyain. view post


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