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Inri Sejenus VS. Jesus Christ posted 27 Jun 2005, 11:06 by Echoex, Auditor

I don't know if this is the proper place to post this, nor do I know if this has been brought up before. Perhaps this is a question for Bakker himself. I've been looking closer at the name Inri Sejenus. INRI is the inscription on the crusifix. It means "Iesus Nazerenus Rex Iedum (my spelling is probably WAY off) translates to Jesus of Nazereth, King of the Jews. Then...THEN, if you rearrange the letters in Sejenus, you can spell JESUS (with SEN left over). Any comments? Ex. view post

posted 27 Jun 2005, 13:06 by Deerow, Auditor

Well actually just "EN" or "NE" is left...not that I know what that could mean. Other than that though you seem to be right on all accounts. It would be hard to argue that this is a coincidence IMO. Maybe it would be better to ask Bakker and see if he answers or avoids the question entirely. view post

posted 28 Jun 2005, 11:06 by Echoex, Auditor

You're right...EN is left over...typo. view post

Inri Sejenus VS Jesus Christ posted 09 Oct 2005, 06:10 by Eric W, Commoner

The observation that Inri Sejenus is a parallel to Jesus Christ is almost obvious. Even the common interjection “Sweet Jesus!” is mirrored as “Sweet Sejenus!” in the speech of the Inrithi. There are further parallels: Inri Sejenus re-interpreted the old religious texts and started a new religion; Inrithism and Christianity grew by absorbing the practices of other religions; and the Holy War is, of course, a Crusade. I have reflected on this quite a bit and I believe that a long list of such parallels could be made. However, I believe that the author took the attributes and histories of several actual religions, mainly Christianity and Islam, and applied them to his created religions. It would not be difficult, for example, to find similarities between Sejenus and Mohammad or Kellhus and either Christ or Mohammad. In the case of Sejenus and Christ, it is merely made blatant by having the first name be Inri. In fact, Bakker more explicitly discusses the ideas of existentialism than he does those of Christianity. He even has Achamian Drusus (as told to us through the reflections of Esmenet) use the phrase “Existence precedes essence” (at page 86 of my copy of The Warrior Prophet), which is the primary tenet of existentialism. This is not to say that Bakker is a Christian or an existentialist (or anything else). He merely has his characters or his narrator expound on such things or do things that cause the reader to recall such items from their on experience. view post

posted 12 Apr 2006, 00:04 by glaz, Peralogue

dont forget the place "Kyudea" derived from Judea view post

posted 15 Apr 2006, 17:04 by Gregor Lux, Candidate

I think its the similarities with our history the make the Prince of Nothing series so good as a fantasy series. The basis of the settings, characters, and religions are fairly obvious and very much intentional. This makes the series believable and allows Scott to weave many elements of our historical, philisophical and moral attitudes within the story. I've never read a series where the magic system makes sense as it does here and this is due in many ways to how it relates to philosophy. As I've read the series I feel I've been immersed in a history book rather than a fantasy series. view post

posted 26 Apr 2006, 14:04 by talek, Candidate

Sharp observation! Since 'Inri Sejenus' is an acronym, I suspect that many other terms are as well. Although most of his Three Seas languages appear to be made up, there are certain cases where he uses an ancient Greek word: psykhe soul, psyche logos word, rationality pragma act tekne skill, art, expertise The leftover "en" in "Inri Sejenus" might be the Greek preposition "en" meaning in, on, among. view post

posted 26 Apr 2006, 15:04 by talek, Candidate

Anagke, goddess of fate, is ancient Greek word meaning necessity, force, compulsion, often personified as a goddess. BTW, I don't think we should ask Bakker about such things; they are there to give us the fun of trying to figure them out. view post

posted 26 Apr 2006, 15:04 by talek, Candidate

More speculatively, might "anasurimbor" be constructed from "asura", supernatural being? Perhaps with negative prefix "a"? that leaves the "imbor" unexplained, to be sure. view post

posted 26 Apr 2006, 15:04 by talek, Candidate

"Anagogic" comes from Gr. "Anago" meaning to raise up; perhaps this refers to the raising of demons? view post

posted 26 Apr 2006, 15:04 by talek, Candidate

Some things about ajencis suggest that he is an analogue of Aristotle. view post

posted 26 Apr 2006, 15:04 by talek, Candidate

It is no doubt deeply significant that "Kellhus anasurimbor" is an anagram for "A lesbian humor lurks." view post

posted 31 May 2006, 07:05 by coobek, Candidate

[quote="talek":csnoijc1]It is no doubt deeply significant that "Kellhus anasurimbor" is an anagram for "A lesbian humor lurks."[/quote:csnoijc1] No doubt :D But seriously I agree that such a connections to real world are really great in the book. They make us relate more to the story but more importantly there is the fun of analysing what is what. This is for me one of the reasons why Sapkowski's work is so good. You probably don't know him. I have no idea whether he was translated to English. view post

posted 31 May 2006, 19:05 by talek, Candidate

(Responding to Eru Iluvatar's list of similarities between Three Seas history and our own) Everything on yur list seems quite reasonable. The next question, for me, is, "Is the novel just [i:4lr889sh]modelled[/i:4lr889sh] on our history, or is it a [i:4lr889sh]comment[/i:4lr889sh] on it?" By the end of TTT, it seems clear that there is a profoundly evil, anti-human force behind the Holy War. Maithanet, the apparent mover and shaker behind it, is in league with Moenghius, and hence an ally of the consult. In spite of all the heroism associated with the Holy War, and the many sympathetic characters associated with it, it is a profounldy tragic event. Nowadays, even those of European and/or Christian cultural descent would be likely to see the Crusades as also profoundly tragic, a mistake for which humanity is still paying. view post

posted 01 Jun 2006, 04:06 by Virus, Candidate

*Spoilers* view post

posted 26 Oct 2006, 20:10 by Gutts, Commoner

If it were a boxing match no powers allowed stricktly mano e mano? I'd go with Jesus late in the 6th round by tko. view post

posted 26 Oct 2006, 22:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Clearly a carpenter could not stand against a Dunyain Kellhus would win, despite the fact that this topic had nothing to do with them actually fighting...... view post

posted 27 Nov 2006, 21:11 by Harrol, Moderator

Yeah I would have to go with Jesus winning. He was pretty tough. view post

posted 27 Nov 2006, 22:11 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I suppose its possible. view post

posted 28 Nov 2006, 16:11 by Harrol, Moderator

Just think if it looked too bad for him he always has 12 legions of angels for backup. I am sorry but neither Inri or Kellhus have 12 legions of angels for back up. view post

posted 28 Nov 2006, 21:11 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Or do they...... Wow this post has become so unserious. view post

posted 29 Nov 2006, 13:11 by Harrol, Moderator

True it has. Inri and to some degree Kellhus have major Jesus like attributes. view post


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