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Xinemus and the Cishaurim posted 07 Jun 2005, 21:06 by SymeonHaecceity, Peralogue

Does anyone else think the Cishaurim may be involved with giving Zin his sight back? view post

posted 09 Jun 2005, 01:06 by Aengales, Candidate

I do because when Akka and Zin where trying to get into Caraskand Akka felt/knew the Cishaurim seeing them but did nothing, the reason behind that (what i think) is that Zin is on the path of becoming a Cishaurim priest (with some help from Akka) there going to discover the Psukhe together... view post

posted 10 Jun 2005, 06:06 by Fell, Peralogue

This is interesting cuz it go two ways. Bakker's use of the term [i:5pduyoa3]gnosis[/i:5pduyoa3] and his metaphysics are rooted in genuine occult and alchemical lore. If that's the case, Zin's site may be accredited to his lack of eyesight and the consequential turning inward to a so-called sixth sense. In many mystical traditions (and studies into the Russians and Czechs during WWII yield great articles of interest), methods of "seeing" or sensing intuitively such as clairvoyance, out-of-body, vision questing, lucid dreaming, and other methods (all tied together, I'm sure) have been documented. It may be that Zin, blinded and having to rely on his inner senses now that he's not wrought with the sense of his eyes, may be tapping into something that is available to us all. Taking eyesight for granted, it may be difficult to come to develop an acuteness for this inner vision. I believe this was claimed when describing the Cishaurim in [i:5pduyoa3]TWP[/i:5pduyoa3], as well — that they remove their eyes to allow them their focus on their more "mystically" oriented senses. On a side note, the pineal gland, often associated with the third eye, is actually morphogenically similar to the eye. It's been thought that the pineal gland acts as a subtle form of insight, translating other bands of energy. As the eyes translate lightwaves into comprehensible images for the brain, the pineal gland can make sense of electromagnetic radiation. Unfortunately, humans make very little use of this so-called third eye and it's severely underdeveloped in the majority of humans. Interestingly, though, through studies, Buddhist monks, yogis, other persons of mystical traditions, and dolphins all have swollen pineal glands as they make use of them via meditation and insight. Their's are about the size of a silver dollar, whereas the average person's is the size of shrivelled raisin. Oh, and fluoride calcifies the pineal gland. Just fyi. view post

posted 10 Jun 2005, 06:06 by White Lord, Subdidact

Interesting post, Fell. I'm always on the hunt for details from the books that point in the direction of some real-life religious, occult or whatever school of thought. On the Cishaurim, yes. Achamian says that some think the Cishaurim's blindness is essential to their practice of the Psukhe. He also says that all humans have many eyes, "some of which never breach the skin", so your guess about the pineal gland may well be right . . . :) view post

posted 10 Jun 2005, 06:06 by White Lord, Subdidact

On a side note, it's been remarked many times in the books how similar Zin and Achamian are. As similar as twins (both physically and somewhat in character). Now I don't know about you, but this is very suspicious to me. There could actually be some real blood tie between them. Zin could also be one of the Few. Also suspicious is Zin's attachment to Achamian. He despises sorcery but can't help being a sorcerer's friend and asking him questions . . . Would be interested in hearing people's opinions on this . . . :) view post

posted 10 Jun 2005, 08:06 by Fell, Peralogue

[img:84lgbmgy][/img:84lgbmgy] Robert Bruce's [i:84lgbmgy]Astral Dynamics: A NEW Approach to Out-Of-Body Experience[/i:84lgbmgy] is, by far, the best book I've come across on the subject. Worth the read, and the exercises are very easy to do. view post

posted 13 Jun 2005, 03:06 by Aengales, Candidate

Now i never thought about that, Akka and Zin being similiar and its been repeated many times, so i think there is some thing there White Lord, blood relatives or something. Or , Muslims beleive that (i may be wrong though) that people are created twice with the same image, like somewhere in the world there is an exact copy of me maybe this is what Scott used, Zin and Akka are an exact copy... view post

posted 28 Jun 2005, 18:06 by Hackhius, Commoner

The thought of Zin and Akka sharing the same bloodline would be a great twist. Regaurdless, there is a special bond these two share, especially now. We don't get much history on Zin, so it might be possible that his kinship to Akka goes beyond the bond they shared in tutoring Proyas, but can be attributed to the fact that Zin is one of the Few. I don't believe Akka has adequate knowledge of the Psukhe to teach Zin the sightless blasphemy. The favor of teaching the Gnosis to Kellhus will be returned by his father Moenghus in teaching all three of them the secrets of the Psukhe. Upon learning the metaphysics of both sorcerous styles, these sorcerers of rank will stumble upon new, all powerful, songs of blasphemy. This will equip them for the final battle with the Consult and the No-god. I'd be interested to see what predictions the rest of you have. [/i] view post


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