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Small things in TJE that you liked posted 26 Feb 2009, 20:02 by Mithfânion, Didact

I thought TJE was a great book, the only downside of which was IMO that the plot progression in some areas was well below what I had expected for this 1st book and that the book is the shortest Bakker has written sofar, and that somne characters were expected to get a lot more screentime. On the other hand he did mention books 2 and 3 would each be longer than the one before in an interview with Pat. One of the things that I noticed in this book were little things that I enjoyed. Stuff that I hadn't thought about before. I'll name a few: * Maithanet. Somehow he seemed a much more sympathetic and honest character to me this time through. The descriptions of him continue to be of one very powerful individual, strong in physique, youthful and with an overwhelming voice. Bit of a shame we saw little of him as the story went on but anyway, I was really interested in him in this book. He seems to become a sort of hero to Esmenet, and she will need him if the Yatwer Cult becomes stronger, plus he is the one who suspects Kelmomas' true nature. * I believe it was in an interview where Bakker described what a world in which values are objective would be like, and what if the world actually conformed to beliefs and events. In this regard, we see in the PoN trilogy how the the Earth at the Mengedda plains literally throws up the bones of the slaughtered there because the massacre was too great to contain. I thought we saw another example of this in PoN, twice in fact. One is when Kellhus has translocated to Momemn and we are told that in his anger the surroundings seemed to literally darken and become shadowy. Now, this may just have been a trick of magic on Kellhus part, but maybe not. But the second example is at the start of the book when there is a description of the Sun literally accompanying Kellhus and the Great Ordeal. There is talk about how the North is so bleak and cold, and that the Sun is literally folowing Kellhus' path wherever he went. I thought that was a nice touch. * I loved the little statements Incariol made before the statue of Cujara Cinmoi. First he refers to Cujara as the one whose hand "[i:28wkdnyr]hath slain thousands[/i:28wkdnyr]" and then he says"[i:28wkdnyr] he whose voice hath cracked mountains![/i:28wkdnyr]". I thought that was just this very cool image, the immense majesty of the greatest Nonman ever, speaking words of sorcery and in doing so literally cracking mountains. Awesome. Anyone else have little stuff that you remarked upon which you enjoyed? view post

Re: Small things in TJE that you liked posted 27 Feb 2009, 05:02 by srancchieftan, Candidate

I liked seeing the Nonmen and the Sranc more dominant in the story. In the first trilogy we only got one glimpse of Mekeretrig and the Sranc in the prologue, and one glimpse in TWP. They fascinate me. The Nonmen who have gone erratic as a result of their unnatural immortality. The Sranc who are driven solely by their sexual desires. I liked Seswatha's dreams very much. Its awesome how the history is not just a setting but is played out in actual events. Before TJE I wasnt sure if Seswatha"s sole was changing the dreams, now I know that hes actually reaching out to Akka. I liked to see what a Dunyain child is like. I also liked seeing more of Maithanet. It would have been nice to see more of Meongis junior, im curious to see how a child with scylvendi and Noisari blood raised by Dunyains will be like. I also liked seeing more of Northeren Earwa. view post

Re: Small things in TJE that you liked posted 13 Mar 2009, 21:03 by Vomikron Noxis, Candidate

I was particularly shaken and disturbed by Kellhus' vision ofa future where the consult parades former kings around with one eye gouged out, naked save their own rotting hands that hang from a collar about their necks. JESUS, Bakker! ~rl EDIT: Exact quote: "I see kings with one eye gouged, naked save for the collars from which their severed hands swing." view post

Re: Small things in TJE that you liked posted 22 Mar 2009, 07:03 by nonman_erratic, Commoner

Just about everything to do with Cleric was my favorite... I really liked his sermon on the descent into darkness, and the holiness of such a trek... The blinding light, and the true God being all things beyond mortal comprehension - the very edges of which only being attainable in darkness. It blew my f#@king mind... The fact that Cleric is Canadian.... "Where does all the judgement go, [b:2t0n5jwj]Eh[/b:2t0n5jwj], Wizard?" Gin'yursis's bit, "I am lost... All the doors are different... And the thresholds... Are Holy... No more... more... more..." That, and the bit in the bar in Marrow, when Cleric goes, "I remember the slaughter of.... [i:2t0n5jwj]of children[/i:2t0n5jwj]." With an inwardly laughing sob... And Kosoter's response, "A man... has got to remember." Memories make us sane. view post

Re: Small things in TJE that you liked posted 12 May 2009, 14:05 by coobek, Candidate

[quote="nonman_erratic":2oewbr19] The fact that Cleric is Canadian.... "Where does all the judgement go, [b:2oewbr19]Eh[/b:2oewbr19], Wizard?" [/quote:2oewbr19] And for the non-anglosaxon civilizations :) how do you explain him being Canadian by saying Eh? :mrgreen: view post


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