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The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant posted 06 Aug 2004, 16:08 by Rellion, Candidate

I had read a lot of generic fantasy over the years up to the point that I read these novels at the behest of a friend of mine, as well as popular, but less than inspiring novels from other genres. I read Clancy, Weis/Hickman, King, and Rice (shudder) and happily plodded my way through the generic and average literature of the time. After completing the First and Second Chronicles, I have since held a much higher standard to what I like to read. Trundled off to the used book store are all my Clancy, Weis/Hickman, King, and Rice novels. The story of Thomas Covenant and what happened in the world of the Land really got to me, and I do not believe I've felt as much emotion over the story in a book before. The setting was very original in detail, and the protagonist is not an individual that fits into any of the ready-made 'hero' molds. For some very tough, harsh fantasy I do suggest picking up these two trilogies by Stephen Donaldson. I really enjoyed the journey of these books, and if you liked TDTCB, I think you'll find these books compelling as well. view post

posted 06 Aug 2004, 18:08 by Replay, Auditor

Didn't really like - bit too much whining and self pity for my tastes. But even without that I don't think it would have been great, as I didn't think much to the story and the actual writing was of a very low standard (though many often site it as a series with great prose, which i've never been able to work out). view post

posted 08 Aug 2004, 05:08 by saintjon, Auditor

I loved the Covenant books, although I certainly didn't love Covenant. The end of the second book (the very end) was when I had to re-evaluate my opinion of him, because that more than anything was the point where Donaldson really took the gloves off and pounded you with how much believing in/loving the Land could cost him, and I started to feel crummy that I'd just written him off for his Unbelief. My take: first book so-so, challenging read, lots of slow moments second book: WHAM! third book: I can't take it anymore but I love it so much... 2nd trilogy: wow Donaldson must not like any of these people he writes about very much lol view post

posted 09 Aug 2004, 19:08 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

I have all seven of the two trilogies (before you say but that makes six there was an additional mini that was released for the end of book 5 of stuff that was cut out.) Just getting ready to start them. view post

posted 09 Aug 2004, 19:08 by Rellion, Candidate

To me, nothing in literature has equalled the scene where Covenant retells the tale of the giants of Seareach. It's heartwrenching, and you can tell that Covenant is a human being, and he did feel love for those great peoples, especially for Foamfollower. Overall though, the entire series was very good. It completely spoiled 'generic fantasy' for me. I can't read most of the generic Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, Salvatore, and similar books without thinking that a hack wrote them and tossing them. view post

posted 09 Aug 2004, 21:08 by Edge, Peralogue

You do get a lot of comments about the Covenant books along the lines of "liked the books but hated the whining". I would probably include myself in that category. Some of Donaldsons work is really excellent. He paints some very vivid images in the mind and the story is a gripping one. But Covenant's constant whinging does grate on the nerves a bit. I'm not so sure about the imminent release of a third trilogy. It may be a story too far, particularly given that the ending of the second trilogy seemed so final. view post

posted 11 Aug 2004, 01:08 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I got the first trilogy in middle school and tried but hated them. I sold them to a used bookstore. I felt as though the entire time I was reading I was looking through fog. I know that doesn't make sense, but that is the only way I can describe it. I suppose I should try them again. view post

posted 12 Aug 2004, 00:08 by steve, Peralogue

My friend swears by these books, he compares all new books to the Thomas Covenant books. view post

posted 12 Aug 2004, 17:08 by Rellion, Candidate

[quote="steve":cefncr5s]My friend swears by these books, he compares all new books to the Thomas Covenant books.[/quote:cefncr5s] I don't think I would want to obsess *that* much over the TC books, but myself and the gentleman who introduced me to them have had many a long conversation about them and the meanings of the various events nad symbols within the books. I am attempting to turn him on to TDTCB as well, and will be forcibly loaning him the hardback this weekend. :D view post

posted 14 Aug 2004, 19:08 by Half-a-Prayer, Commoner

Donaldson is one of my favourate authors of all time. However in my opinion the two Covenent trilogies, despite being easy the best selling and most well known of Donaldsons works, are not his strongest. In my opinion Mordant's Need is the best fantasy Donaldson has written (and refreshingly short given the modern 'fetish' for large multi-volume series) and the Gap is my favourate science fiction of any author and the pinnicle of Donaldsons career thus far. Needless to say I am really looking forward to the the third Chronicles of Thomas Covenent with baited breath. view post

posted 29 Oct 2004, 08:10 by Born of Fantasy, Commoner

Huge [b:2jfba031]Donaldson[/b:2jfba031] fan, the [b:2jfba031]Chroncials of Thomas Covenant[/b:2jfba031] is one of the best fantasy series out, especially i nreference to when it was written. the new series starting with [b:2jfba031]Runes of the Earth[/b:2jfba031], continues the saga (just read it last week). Thier is a absolutely [b:2jfba031]HUGE[/b:2jfba031] cliffhanger at the end of the novel. As far as quality of the [b:2jfba031]Third Chronicles[/b:2jfba031], I will say that prior fans of[b:2jfba031] Donaldson [/b:2jfba031]will feel right at home, however this series won't earn him new fans from his past detractors. [b:2jfba031]Huge, huge [/b:2jfba031]clifhanger, can't wait for the second instalment:) view post

posted 30 Oct 2004, 05:10 by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

I read the original Chronicles back in the 80s and enjoyed them. Can't say they shaped what I'll read. That honor goes to Harlan Ellison and Philip K. Dick. Still, this has a special spot in my memories and now that I have my hands on the new book, I'll definitely read it. I might wait a while though since I hate cliffhangers. -Neil view post

posted 28 Nov 2004, 15:11 by AjDeath, Didact

I am almost done the first book now. I must say it is a great read. view post

posted 04 Dec 2004, 21:12 by Edge, Peralogue

Finished reading [i:2pyzgkbg] The Runes of the Earth [/i:2pyzgkbg] and have to say it has put a lot of my fears about a third series to rest. Very enjoyable, great to sink back into the whole atmosphere of The Land again. Are the Haruchai the most humourless race in fantasy? :wink: view post

posted 05 Dec 2004, 16:12 by Aesmael, Candidate

[quote="Edge":11gxl0k3]Finished reading [i:11gxl0k3] The Runes of the Earth [/i:11gxl0k3] and have to say it has put a lot of my fears about a third series to rest. Very enjoyable, great to sink back into the whole atmosphere of The Land again.[/quote:11gxl0k3] That is relieving news. After reading the Second Chronicles I thought it was settled for good. But apparently Donaldson has been wanting to do this for a long time? view post

posted 13 Dec 2004, 16:12 by saintjon, Auditor

hmm most humourless race in fantasy... for competition I will put forth the Aiel, Tolkien's High Elves (the Grey Haven and Lothlorien ones as opposed to the Mirkwood ones), and those Unsullied Ones from Martin, well they're more an occupation than a race so disregard them if you want. Haruchai are about as funny as driftwood but that's some stiff competition right there! view post

posted 13 Jan 2005, 15:01 by lfex, Peralogue

«hmm most humourless race in fantasy... » Do not forget Erikson's Tiste Andii. view post


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