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inrau posted 28 Mar 2007, 21:03 by Trutu Angotma, Peralogue

in my first reading and every other after that i have never been able to discern exactly what inrau discovered about the shira before he died am i missing something or do we not know? view post


posted 28 Mar 2007, 22:03 by Jamara, Auditor

I don't think he discovered anything about the Shriah. I think he was having conflicting emotions and went to a shrine to pray and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when he came across the Synthese and had to be killed for what he saw. Although the Consult may have orchestrated his death in order to motivate Achamian into leaving Sumna and then following him, though I'm not too sure how plausible this is. We do know that Esmenet was visited shortly after Achamian's departure and was used as a hound to follow Achamian. So there must have already been some interest in Achamian by the Consult (though whether it was just because he was of the Mandate and trying to spy on a man who apparently could find their skin spies, or not is up for question). view post


posted 29 Mar 2007, 02:03 by Buckethead, Peralogue

remember that sarcellus saw achamian with inrau, so if at any point after he found who and what achamian really was, it would serve consult purposes to keep a questioning mandate spy away from consult agents. view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 02:04 by Gravity Gun, Candidate

[quote="Jamara":5lhxwxvi]I don't think he discovered anything about the Shriah. I think he was having conflicting emotions and went to a shrine to pray and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when he came across the Synthese and had to be killed for what he saw.[/quote:5lhxwxvi] On page 119, in italics, Inrau thought "[i:5lhxwxvi]The Shriah. But how could it be[/i:5lhxwxvi]?" just before his unfortunate meeting with Aurang. So he must have discovered something shocking about the Shriah, though we are never told what he has discovered. But my guess is that it has nothing to do with the Consult, since when Inrau sees Aurang in its birdform, he was stunned nearly speechless. If Inrau has seen something that links the Shriah to the Consult, he would not have been this surprised to see a member of the Consult. In all probability, he saw something that suggests Cishaurim. After all, Maithanet is in fact sent by a renegade member of the Cishaurim. view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 02:04 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

[quote:369u9g8r]After all, Maithanet is in fact sent by a renegade member of the Cishaurim.[/quote:369u9g8r] Renegade? view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 03:04 by Gravity Gun, Candidate

That's what Moenghus is, isn't it? view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 04:04 by Trutu Angotma, Peralogue

as far as i know he was still active view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 05:04 by Jamara, Auditor

Moenghus was a renegade/exiled Dunyain, but as far as the Cishaurim, he was their head (even if it was only honorary - his wisdom and "faith" far out-stripped his abilities). view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 05:04 by Gravity Gun, Candidate

Well I use the word "renegade" in the sense that he only pretends to serve Fane and Cishaurim, that by this point in the story he has long since developed his own agenda, which in fact hinges on the destruction of Cishaurim by a Holy War. view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 05:04 by Jamara, Auditor

I don't think he ever wanted the Cishaurim destoyed. He had the Cishaurim murder the head of the Scarlet Spires in order to motivate the Spires into joining the Holy War, otherwise the Holy War would never have stood a chance in reaching Shimeh, and he needed it to reach Shimeh so the Kellhus could be reunited with him. Don't forget, the Cishaurim practically destroyed all the Scarlet Spires by the end. view post


posted 14 Jun 2007, 20:06 by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Whether or not the Cisharum survived the Spires was utterly irrelevant to Moenghus. All that mattered was the mission: getting his son to Shimeh. Trutu Angotma I was about to ask the same thing. I've puzzled over it for months but haven't been able to figure it out. And your right Gravity Gun, Inrau mentioned having discovered something about the Shriah that broke his faith in the man. I recall him thinking, "If only I could forget what the Mandate taught me then this last revelation would mean nothing!" or someting to that effect; which is why I know it has to be sorcery-related... but it can't be the Cishaurum as I initially thought because the Pshuke is invisible to sorcerers. It has to be something else... but I can't guess what. Arrgh!!! Damn you Scott, damn you to the depths of hell!!! :evil: [size=59:7vbgnjup][i:7vbgnjup]Just kidding.[/i:7vbgnjup][/size:7vbgnjup] view post


posted 14 Jun 2007, 22:06 by Harrol, Moderator

Actually Moenghus tried to stop the attack on the Scarlet Spires, but they did not listen to him. So he used that to his later advantage. view post


posted 15 Jun 2007, 20:06 by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

I was talking about the battle. view post


posted 16 Jun 2007, 00:06 by Curethan, Didact

I think it was merely the suggestions that Akka had made that shook Inrau's faith in Maithenent. Probably the fact that he could tell Akka was a sorceror (only the few can see the few) in particular. Damn - there are a quite a few post-WP spoilers on this thread. view post


posted 18 Jun 2007, 17:06 by Anthorn, Candidate

I've recently re-read the book and Inrau is conflicted because of what Akka had told him about Maithenet being able to see the few. view post


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