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Aspect-Emperor of What? posted 26 Mar 2006, 23:03 by Anonymous, Subdidact

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Re: Aspect-Emperor of What? posted 27 Mar 2006, 00:03 by anor277, Didact

[quote="Erekassos Knerceannis":7eww2age]At the end of TTT, we see Anasurimbor Kellhuss being crowned Aspect-Emperor of the Three Seas. What exactly does this mean? It seems to be giving the impression that Kellhuss is now the overlord of the entire Three Seas, or is he just the Emperor of the conquered territories plus the Nansurium? Altogether confusing..... :roll: [/i][/quote:7eww2age] I think it is fairly clear that all the potentates of the Three-Seas, if not the current, actual rulers then their heirs, have accepted Kellhus as high king and prophet. The only exception is the Nansur empire, and the next Nansur ruler will probably be vetted by Kellhus or Maithanet (or both). This would mean that Kellhus is emperor of High Ainon, Conriya, Galeoth etc. etc. and all the conquered territories. view post

posted 27 Mar 2006, 04:03 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Like Anor said.... basically he's de facto ruler of the Three Seas, I'm pretty sure he'll have the Nansurium under control soon enough as well. view post

But what about the rest? posted 28 Mar 2006, 16:03 by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Yes, but what about the unconquered parts of the Three Seas. Is he going to play "colonialist?" Sansor, Kutnarmu and Cingulat are soverign and primarily Pagan (non-Inrithi/Fanim); utterly unbeholden to what is generally considered the Three Seas and yet very much a part of it. view post

posted 28 Mar 2006, 20:03 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

He will likely take control of these other areas by force or persuasion. HE might even push into the North somewhat. view post

posted 28 Mar 2006, 21:03 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Remember that Cingulat et al may not be Inrithi but I believe they are nations that still hold to the old Cults, which was the progenitor religion for Inrithism. Sort of like Judaism and Christianity. Whether Kelhus tries to bring them under his sway I don't know, I was under the impression that humanity isn't bursting at the seams population wise which is typically what would drive expansion back into the North. We'll see what happens I guess. view post

'Aspects' the goddess Onkis, Inrau, Esmenet posted 30 Mar 2006, 07:03 by nvyxxus_negus, Commoner

on the word in particular: Aspect ... went back to review (going over what has 'gone before' to better see the ties to what comes after -beginning again in TDTCB) and found, in Inrau's death scene, his brief homage at the goddess Onkis' 'temple' in Sumna just prior to his death. here it talks of Onkis holding the power of/being/bringing the 'Aspect' -i.e., a power lifting a certain 'desire' in the hearts of men- a desire to reach for more, somehow. this small definition is ambiguous in that it adds that sometimes men under the influence of this 'aspect' can overextend, reach for more, in fact, than they can hold. Inrau, lost in thought and considering the goddess, also describes her as 'coming before' him -a meaning that i'm sure goes beyond the literal. and, although he says he's found his place of 'peace' in Onkis' temple, he also curses her for her 'adulteries' moments later, when the synthese and the two corrupt shrial soldiers appear- even though it seems she answers his prayers- for strength, and then, to 'make me like a pillar.' somehow he does find the strength to give his life, to reach back for his old talents- to use the Gnosis, even though it goes against his beliefs as a Thousand Temples' prelate/scholar. I noted the word, Aspect, though, and wondered about what it portends for Kellhus' forthcoming rule as emperor. also bound to this (it seems,) is Esmenet, for we see the chapters following Inrau's death dealing with a surer knowledge of her, how she thinks of men- how she asks them of their journeys ostensibly to learn more of the wider world, but how none of them hesitate to confess -because they always and forever want to appear, to BE, 'more.' Again- i saw Onkis, the Aspect, and the desire in men to 'reach for more,' as hinted. Esmenet could be an archetype of Onkis, literally walking the world of Earwa. Scott put the word 'Aspect' in his next novel for a reason, surely- is it connected only to this desire to achieve/hold 'more' in the men of his world -or does it refer to kellhus himself? has Kellhus overreached, or does he desire to aid the threatened world of men in reaching for more? does the true 'aspect,' belong to whoever holds Esmenet- is it directly connected to her at all? it sounds as if Onkis can be fickle -and then there are Esmenet's occasional moments of profound meaning in the ch.'s re. her. either way, 'Aspect' has a deeper meaning all by itself. view post

posted 30 Mar 2006, 15:03 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The term Aspect-Emperor isn't a new one, indeed it is quite old and began when the Shriah at the time formally institutionalized the Cult of the Emperor. view post

posted 31 Mar 2006, 09:03 by Curethan, Didact

To my mind, there is a simple answer. Kellhus is being both recognized as the head the thousand temples and as he of state above all the nations of the three seas . It's worth noting that as yet, he is only recognized by about half of the powerbrokers of the three seas (not everyone attended the holy war i think, and only Maithenet and the Mandate had showed up at the end of TTT). Admittedly Kelhus has control of the most powerful army and religious and political figures, but I think we can understand why we will skip so many years before Aspect Emperor. The term aspect is certainly interesting and undoubtedly important. To me it suggests that Kellhus is possessed by the God, or one of his 1000 aspects as seen by Inrithism and is therefore an agent of God in history. (ref the Glossary) TTT seems to suggest that Cnaiur is possesed by an "God" or "demon" in a similar way, either that or he is merely insane... I got the feeling that the Gods, whatever their true nature have been moving through all the major characters, that each is on the way to becoming "aspected" somehow. Prob'ly way off the mark though, but its been nagging at the back of my mind. view post

posted 01 Apr 2006, 03:04 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The word Aspect doesn't have any special signifigance, other than the fact that it is part of the title Aspect-Emperor (which predates Kelhus) and that Kelhus is rapidly becoming a new Prophet in the manner of Inri Sejenus. view post


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