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posted 14 Feb 2006, 18:02 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

When the Wathi doll comes to Akka's rescue is definitly one of my favourite scenes and I've added the entire end sequence of TTT to that list. Thinking the Holy War is about to be defeated, then it isn't, then it is... that whole last battle was a roller coaster ride that I thoroughly enjoyed. Oh and when Conphas got what was coming to him. :) view post

posted 14 Feb 2006, 19:02 by Zadok, Candidate

I thought the meeting between Cnaiur and Moenghus was especially well done. The perfect end for such a tortured and conflicted character. In a more general sense, I thought the end of the TTT was especially powerful, as I was reading I was so excited I kept having to reign myself in to keep from skimming ahead to see what was coming next. view post

posted 14 Feb 2006, 20:02 by Twayleph, Auditor

All the previously mentionned scenes were some of my favorites. I'd add all the Dreams of Seswatha, because to me they represent some of the best elements of the PoN series. They retake the old archetypes - the Prophecy, the terrible Old Wars, the costly victory, etc. - and then represent them in a much more powerful, real and immediate manner. In particular, Sauron (or Morgoth) might have been as powerful in Tolkien's universe as the No-God, but the [i:1q31aypo]manner[/i:1q31aypo] in which he's presented makes the No-God immeasurably more fascinating and terrifying. Dagliash, the Fields of Eleneot, the Plains of Mengedda, the Assault on Golgotterath...all of them jewels in my opinion. Apart from that, I also loved that scene starting when Proyas comes back to the encampment in TWP only to discover Saubon and the others are gone. It's not terribly significant plot-wise, but just the style of writing...I could just laugh my ass off reading the descriptions of Conphas' dialogue. view post

posted 15 Feb 2006, 05:02 by rycanada, Peralogue

I'd have to say the images of the No-god, first in Seswatha's dream and Kellhus' image of the no-god as he hung under Umiaki view post

posted 15 Feb 2006, 09:02 by zarathustra, Peralogue

Reading the replies there it reminded me of how many great scenes there are in the trilogy. As I stated previously I really liked the two scenes that involved Mekeritrig. Also I really enjoyed when Kellhus is persued by the skin spies in TWP and how he uses a mixture of physical ability and intelligence to defeat them. view post

posted 15 Feb 2006, 15:02 by sciborg2, Candidate

*I was his morning* view post

posted 15 Feb 2006, 19:02 by unJon, Auditor

The last 3 or 4 pages of TTT were amazing, IMO. I got goose bumps reading them. Akka finally saying fcuk it and standing up to Kellhus. And Kellhus's response was classic. It made me wonder if his prediction/commad was correct. My guess is that sometime in the AE, Akka will again be in Kellhus's presence...will he kneel? view post

posted 15 Feb 2006, 22:02 by Twayleph, Auditor

I don't think it was so much a prediction as an observation, and perhaps a warning. Earlier in TTT Khellus said something along the lines of "You're my friend, you need never kneel before me". By saying that, Khellus was probably saying that Achamian had now severed all ties of friendship, and that he was on his own - perhaps meaning that he wouldn't stop the Mandate from hunting him, or guard him from the Consult. It sounds a lot like the conflict between Celmomas and Seswatha; both conflicts were over a loved one (Nau-Cayuti then, Esmenet now) and seperated the High King from his arcane advisor. view post

posted 15 Feb 2006, 22:02 by unJon, Auditor

Good catch on the previous reference to kneeling. I didn't mean how Kellhus made the statement but rather whether it was an accurate or inaccurate prediction, in the sense of whether Akka will actually kneel the next time they meet. view post

posted 16 Feb 2006, 21:02 by Mithfânion, Didact

*Seswatha's various dreams *Picturing the Cunu-Inchoroi wars * Various sequences with Kellhus, such as: [list=]Kellhus vs Mekeritrig Kellhus vs Cnaiur Kellhus vs Zeumi sword dancer (single stroke) Kellhus vs Sarcellus in the pole game Kellhus being taught the Gnosis by Achamian and speaking his first cant, with the world rumbling all around him Kellhus sitting on a dais with the Lords of the Holy War in front of him Kellhus being anointed as Aspect Emperor [/list] Most disturbing and shocking? The treatment of Xunnurit by Xerius, his eyes stabbed out, totally emasculated and chained to his throne. The sheer cruelty of it. view post

posted 17 Feb 2006, 20:02 by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Ok, Kellhus's exploits are fascinating and all, but I have two favorite moments, at least right now. Keep in mind that I am fresh out of TTT, and if I reread I reserve the right to change my mind. :) 1.) Cnaiür's speech before the Battle of Joktha. That is seriously one of the most stirring things I have ever read. 2.) The joke that the Kianene "forgot their blood" during the Batlle of Shimeh. Honestly funny jokes that seem spontaneous are hard to come by in fiction. view post

posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 by RiderOnTheStorm, Candidate

So many to choose from but i particulary enjoyed the meeting b/n Maithenet and the Emperor. The way that scene ended left me smirking evilly to myself. I am saddened that the Ikurei's seem to be wiped out as of the end of TTT. view post

posted 02 Mar 2006, 02:03 by Diem Kaye, Candidate

The opening scene of The Darkness that Comes Before was awesomely done, I thought. Just drew you in right away. Another one of my favorite scenes was one of the campfire episodes with Zin, Acha, Esmi, and Kellhus. I forget the exact lines, but I remember Kellhus imitating Cnair: "And we, Scylvendi, our balls are so big, they hang one on each side of the saddle! And they are so heavy, they do not bounce!" Bakker's a great writer, but sometimes his humor just doesn't strike with me. I found that scene however, to be one of the funniest things I've read. Oh, and any chapter that had the Emperor Xerius in it, was just great. I love Bakker's insane characters, he creates them so frighteningly well. view post

posted 05 Mar 2006, 20:03 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Achamian's sorcerous massacre. That scene by far was the best in my opinion it showed truly how powerful Akka was. Through most of the story Akka is so common but that scene made you think he was invincible. Also very well written. view post

posted 06 Mar 2006, 20:03 by Egaragoras, Candidate

The last line of TTT was great. Makes one wonder what is in store for Akka and really shows the extent to which he is totally alone. Akka really steals the show at the end of TTT, in my opinion. Oh, and did anyone find they were rooting for Kellhus at least a little less once it is revealed that he really IS a prophet, and is not merely playing the part? Somehow I liked it when it seemed that he was just leading everyone on. view post

posted 07 Mar 2006, 06:03 by Diem Kaye, Candidate

[quote="Egaragoras":14qcl21v] Oh, and did anyone find they were rooting for Kellhus at least a little less once it is revealed that he really IS a prophet, and is not merely playing the part? Somehow I liked it when it seemed that he was just leading everyone on.[/quote:14qcl21v] Who says he really is a Prophet? Just because Kellhus thinks he is, doesn't mean that it is necessarily true. I personally think the ol' boy is losing it just a bit. view post

posted 04 Oct 2007, 09:10 by Lies And Perfidy, Commoner

The steady collapse of Ikurei Conphas's world in the last third or so of TTT, right up the point where Saubon rides out of nowhere and takes his head off. Our introduction to Cnaiur, where his "second soul" possesses him. Some [i:258my7um]fantastic[/i:258my7um] prose and just a great way of establishing the character as a Huge Badass right off the bat. Kellhus making fun of Cnaiur and Proyas. The random Galeoth thane sitting on Xerius's throne. Any time Yalgrota Sranchammer brings the pain. Which is pretty much any time he's in the books. Akka describing the coming of the No-God to Kellhus in TWP. I was expecting something pretty damn sinister, and my expectations were absolutely blown away. Saubon's crazed rant at the end of TWP, where he basically forfeits his soul for his ambition - and then redeems it following Kellhus into battle, in a neat bit of foreshadowing. view post

posted 05 Oct 2007, 08:10 by ErebusRed, Candidate

When Saubon, Sarcellus and loads of Galeoth soldiers turn up unexpectedly while Kellhus, Akka & company are exploring the old ruin - very menacing. When Cnaiur goes to rescue Serwe. When Kellhus and Sarcellus fight in the game of shadows. That line about Conphas being unmoved by ridicule as if lepers had mocked his beauty - haha ! Mekeritrig at the wall with Seswatha. But the most exciting was when Kellhus was being chased (I think it was at Caraskand) by the Skin Spies. view post

posted 07 Oct 2007, 11:10 by Lies And Perfidy, Commoner

Oh, I forgot Akka's first battle against the Spires - specifically this paragraph. He struck back with Inference and Abstraction. He was a Mandate Schoolman, a Gnostic Sorcerer-of-the-Rank, a War-Cant Master. He was as a mask held before the sun. And his voice slapped the distances into char and ruin." [i:26pw3lw4]A mask held before the sun.[/i:26pw3lw4] Holy f*cking sh*t. view post

posted 07 Oct 2007, 17:10 by Harrol, Moderator

When Cnaiur confronted Xunnurit on the Jiunati steepe and what he describes as his second soul comes out and the entirity of the other clan chiefs fall silent and turn away. It is a description that only Bakker could have come up with. view post

posted 24 Dec 2007, 17:12 by Hear Me Roar, Candidate

So many but I'll have to 2nd the sequence after the Wathi Doll gets Akka out. Sweet revenge. I've only read the series once but I re-read the prologue of tDTCB the other day, and I have to say, it's amazing. It was great to re-read it with a new frame of reference. You get a great picture of how Kellhus studies and manipulates Leweth. view post

Re: Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 07 Jun 2008, 15:06 by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Some of my favorite passages are still Achamian's Seswatha dreams in which the old sorcerer and Nau Cayuti are crawling through the depths beneath Golgotterath and find the Ark of the Skies. The description and the writing drips with a sense of arcane horror that we can't even fathom, much like the Event Horizon from the movie of the same name. view post

Re: Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 07 Jun 2008, 18:06 by Athjeari, Peralogue

There have been some very memorable moments accounted for. Some that I particularly like that haven't been mentioned Anytime Kellhus remembers his training with a Pragma. (TDTCB & more specifically the one in WP right before he single handedly defends the Swazond standard) The part where Kellhus defends the standard itself. The dialogue between Kellhus and Moenghus at the end of TTT was spectacular. Mekeretrig (sp?) scenes, especially on the wall I really like reading about Athjeari. I was hoping he would survive the Holy War. I love the scene about Athjeari's Pilgrimage! I also liked his death scene Cnaiur going into bloodlust mode at the Battle of Kiyuth. I still remember the goosebumps it gave me reading, "WHO?" "WHO SHALL KILL ME?" "I AM THE MOST VIOLENT OF MEN!" etc etc AH, I almost forgot, when Inrau remembers the words and rips out the Consult's heart near the beginning of TDTCB view post

Re: Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 12 Jun 2008, 09:06 by lfex, Peralogue

There is a lot of great scenes. My favorites are perhaps dialogue between Kellhus and Moenghus, Achamian destroyind Scarlet Spires citadel, Cnaiur's escape from Conphas and how he comes to accept the following skin-spies as Serwe and Achamian defying Kellhus in the last scene. But these are only what first comes to mind. view post

Re: Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 08 Jul 2008, 23:07 by Trinket, Candidate

My most favourite scene of all the books has to be the battle in Joktha where Cnaiur and his men turn the city into a dark labyrinth and lure the imperial army in. The best part is when he (Cnaiur) single handedly fights off wave after wave of soldiers, until they're afraid to come near him and he is screaming about how he is a demon... superb piece of writing there. Also, I'd have to say I love the two part sequence where Achamian fights the Imperial Saik and then the demon Zioz. :twisted: view post

Re: Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 28 Mar 2009, 02:03 by Truth Shines, Candidate

Heh, it might be easier just to name the parts we don't like... :D I'll go first: the part when Esmi leaves Sumna to follow Akka after the encounter with Aurang in TDTCB. Kinda boring... :wink: OK back to the favs. I really like that joke Kellhus told in TWP, something like "Before you criticize someone, you should ride his horse for a day... Because then you are one day away and have his horse." :lol: Also, you just can't over look the theophany of the No-God. The towering whirlwind evokes Yahweh in the Book of Job. And the maddening questions it asks -- the ultimate proof that this series is MORE than just high fantasy. Take that, Sauron! I'm not just evil. I'm incomprehensibly evil. view post


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