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Questions about Iyokus posted 13 Feb 2006, 06:02 by RaiTei, Candidate

Hello all, just finished TFT for the Second time. The whole Iyokus deal really confused me. Everything from him becoming the Grandmaster of SS to him summoning the Ciphrang. Someone please clear my mind, thanks! view post

posted 13 Feb 2006, 07:02 by Nauticus, Auditor

Well, Eleazeras died... view post

posted 13 Feb 2006, 11:02 by RaiTei, Candidate

Well I obviously got as much, but where did Iyokus get all that power??? If he was so strong, then how could he be beaten by Achamian in the courtyard when Xin wanted his eyes? view post

posted 13 Feb 2006, 12:02 by Twayleph, Auditor

Well remember in TWP, it takes some time to summon Ciphrang; he needs to recite what looks like a very long Cants, he probably needs a lot of concentration to keep the Ciphrang under control and he has to draw a circle of symbol of runes across the floor. In other words, he needs time, concentration and being undisturbed for a few minutes - none of which you have when a Gnostic Schoolman assails you, especially by surprise. Besides, even if he had been able to summon a Ciphrang powerful enough to pose a real threat to Achamian, the Chorae archers surrounding them could've just struck it into salt. view post

posted 13 Feb 2006, 13:02 by rycanada, Peralogue

I think he became the Grandmaster just because he was next in line & he could summon a Ciphrang because he knows some elaborate cants to do so. Achamian can take a Ciphrang, but not right after smoking through so many imperials. view post

posted 13 Feb 2006, 20:02 by unJon, Auditor

We're not even sure how many other SS survived. He might have become grandmaster by default. view post

posted 13 Feb 2006, 22:02 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think it was pretty clear from the progression of the books that Iyokus is the second most powerful figure in the Scarlet Spires, which is why he kept his position even though he was blind, which is a serious impediment to most Sorcery. But he still has the Daimos. In a one-on-one Sorcerous duel situation Achamian is going to take Iyokus hands down, it's basically impossible for any one Anagnogic Sorcer to stand against a Gnostic Sorceror. But if the Anagnoic Sorceror knows the Daimos, and has time to prepare well, things become a little different was was evident in TTT. As it has been said Achamian could take a Ciphrang one on one probably, but he was caught somewhat by surprise and just got done annihilated a ton of Nansur soldiers while going all out. view post

posted 14 Feb 2006, 01:02 by RaiTei, Candidate

I re-read most of Iyokus related passages again and it's clear, i'm not sure what I was confused about now amusingly enough. I agree completley, a Ciphrang requried time, and Akka had little strength. anyone wish to elaborate on the Daimos? view post

posted 14 Feb 2006, 02:02 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

We know Agencies of the Outside can be summoned via Gnostic Sorcery, but I think the Daimos as a proper noun only refers to the Anagnogic use as we see Iyokus doing it. Hmm some other observations: There are a variety of Demonic Species if you will, of varying power levels, and within those species (especially at the top teir such as Ciphrang) there are more powerful/influential individuals. Demonic Agents do NOT like being summoned. As a Sorceror you are already Damned, but if you practice the Daimos you are gaurenteed to be Damned, tormented for eternity by the very Agencies who gave you your power in life. Those are some of the observations I've made about the Daimos anyway. view post

posted 14 Feb 2006, 03:02 by unJon, Auditor

I wonder about the gnostic summoning of the outside agencies. Do the Outside forces resemble 'creatures' as they do in the Daimos. My hunch is that they are just vast sentient forces that are not anthropomorphic. That would parellel well with the differences between the sorceries in their other aspects. view post

posted 14 Feb 2006, 18:02 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I guess it would depend on if the Daimos imposes an anthropomorphic form on the Agency summoned or if the Agencies of the Outside have some sense of self that corresponds to a physical form. If it is the former than I would expect the Gnosis to result in a different look, if there even was such a look. If it is the latter than I would not expect much, if any difference. Interesting observation and question UnJon. :) view post


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