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Sarl posted 12 February 2011 in The Judging EyeSarl by Madness, Peralogue

I'm sure Achamian and the Skin Eaters will continue on more or less intact as a group. The sanity and that dynamic will probably play out in interesting ways though, considering Mimira almost got raped by some of the Skin Eaters before Achamian intervened.

I like your speculation, Gothmog. I'm sorry to tell you that you are, unfortunantly, talking to a huge conceptual abyss, as this forum doesn't receive a lot of hits anymore. Perhaps, you'll be the stone that brings the members back. I like some of your Dunyain speculations. Specifically, that Moenghus wasn't neccessarily contacting the Few of the Dunyain and that, obviously, we don't know what the Dunyain as a whole actually do or do not know about sorcery - though I lean to the side of knowledge of it only in myth, perhaps, as Kellhus seems to hint in the prologue of the Darkness that Comes Before that the Dunyain said sorcery wasn't real, implying perhaps, that they used it as an example of delusions of Earwa.

Anyhow, lol, Peace. I don't know how many replies you'll get. view post

'Twas the Night Before Second Apocalypse posted 18 March 2011 in General Discusssion'Twas the Night Before Second Apocalypse by Harrol, Moderator

I like that, very funny view post

Dunyain Ancestory posted 05 April 2011 in The Judging EyeDunyain Ancestory by khelek, Commoner

Allot is made of Kellus being an Ansimbor (spelling! sorry). Is there any reason to think that all of the Dunyain are not carrying that same name? I reread the series recently, but I don't remember any hints one way or another. Certainly Kellus sees the stele and identifies with the Ansimbor name in Book 1. but none the less, after 2000 years one would assume that all of them are related to each other, and that many or most of them would have the Ansimbor name.

Can you see Akka's face coming into a whole citidel of Ansimbors! view post

WHAT HAPPENED TO WESTEROS!? posted 06 April 2011 in Help / SuggestionsWHAT HAPPENED TO WESTEROS!? by Madness, Peralogue

Where can we now meet to discuss Bakker? Will anyone return? view post

'Twas the Night Before Second Apocalypse posted 18 April 2011 in General Discusssion'Twas the Night Before Second Apocalypse by Madness, Peralogue

Harrol, we should revive this place in light of WLW. Do you have moderating powers still because if you can make me a mod, we clean up the spam, perhaps make some forums for TJE/WLW, attract some people back? view post

Dunyain Ancestory posted 23 April 2011 in The Judging EyeDunyain Ancestory by Callan S., Auditor

To be honest I wonder why they keep something which is 'history', when they are a people without history. Perhaps some strange force that goes along with the prophesy, if such exists. view post

Complaint to author posted 08 May 2011 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Callan S., Auditor

Quote: "anor277":38r3rknw
As I recall that part of Kellhus' training, the Pragma was waiting with a knife to turn Kellhus off if he failed to apprehend the principle of the logos (the Pragma might have killed quite a few indifferent students this way). The opening poster was lucky that no Dunyain was there to witness his/her failure; he or she might have met an untimely end otherwise.[/quote:38r3rknw]
* Yeah, I'm replying to an old thread but the mods probably aren't too bothered by some genuine traffic *

Anyway, on this indifference, hold on a second!?* That's part of what I don't get - why did Kellhus pluck the knife out of the air, instead of just sit there like a vegetable? To me it seem not ALL of the legion could have been leashed if he still actually does anything?

By my measure, why would anyone do anything without some sort of remaining desire? It almost seems to be the Dunyain bullshitting themselves they are free of desire, when there is still one there.

* Well, I guess you've held on for almost two years now, so... view post

Complaint to author posted 10 May 2011 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Madness, Peralogue

Like some wight of the mountain, I feel I'm the only one actually kicking around. If there's Mods they don't answer me, as I've wanted to clean this place up forever.

I don't know how interested you are, Callan, but there are individuals in the world who pull these feats of meditation all the time. Also, I'd have to reread the passage but I'm not sure this technique is used to cleanse one of desire so much as intrusive thoughts. Mastering your mind. The desire to live may or may not be part of a Dunyain's arsenal. view post

Complaint to author posted 19 May 2011 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Callan S., Auditor

Who is mastering your mind?

I mean, you say it as if there is no 'who' involved "Mastering your mind". Who is doing this? Again, it seems to ignore who/what is doing something, and instead focates on doing it? It's blindness to the prior that urges forth and says "Master my mind I must".

That thought is not mastered. view post

I am a devout follower of Kellhus posted 19 May 2011 in The Judging EyeI am a devout follower of Kellhus by Callan S., Auditor

Quote: "Thorsten":27w4osqe
And in terms of free will the question I raise is 'Free of what?'. If your causally linked to things you care about - do you want to be free of things you care about? I address this more on my blog: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href=""></a><!-- m --> ... rther.html

Well, this goes to the heart of the free will issue - what does it actually mean to exercise free will? Can you (or anyone) think of an experiment (even a thought experiment) that could in principle prove the existence of free will in contrast to determinism? I've been trying to come up with something for years, and I think it's just not possible.[/quote:27w4osqe]
I'd just see it the other way around - any presumed grasp of determinism is BS. If anyone really grasped determinism, they could describe how the universe came about/why there was a big bang. To know what will come is to know what came before.

The very lack of understanding of determinism is what defines free will. It's part of what makes Kellhus so frightening, even with his still relatively mortal understanding of determinism.

We would not call a person who throws dice for decisionmaking free-willed.

Now you come to mention it, I am not sure I wouldn't. To let go of so very much? Certainly I don't feel free to do that.

The keyword would be something like self-determination - but what does that mean? Obviously, you are determined by what you want because if it were different, you wouldn't want it. Of course, the neuroscientists go on claiming that self is an illusion (which does not prevent them from feeling pissed when their papers are rejected - that seems real enough for them). But as I wrote elsewhere, there is a blatant contradiction that if there is no self, the whole scientific method which is validated by the experience of the self, the conscious observer, is as illusionary as the self, and so it can't be used to disprove any self.

Just on a side note decades ago, in terms of science, I read that the theory of it is that it never tried to prove anything. It could test something and get result B a million times and yet still admit result a might happen on the million and first try. I don't see alot of scientists on TV stand by this today. Actually I see none, particularly in terms of climate debate - they all insist it's real. This seems to betray that primary principle of science (BTW, I think climate change is real - I'm not trying to argue against it - I'm just injecting doubt into what I'm certain of).

Anyway, onto 'self'. Pretty ambiguous term. I'm pretty certain though that if I die, those scientists hearts keep going and they keep doing things I would have wanted to do, like eat nice food, drink wine, have sex, bask in warm sunlight, etc. What, is it an illusion that my corpse doesn't appear to be doing those things? Or am I some miraculous super special snowflake that if I were to die, so will they by default somehow!? Ha! No, there will be one less organism. I think it'd be better if they tried to suggest the universe is one absolute whole and the sense of individual objects is an illusion.

Maybe you summerised them rather briskly and there is more detail to what the neuroscientists claim? view post

Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 01 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Truth Shines, Candidate

Amazing! Browsing through the forums, not only it seems like the admin forgot to create a forum for the new book, in fact no one has posted a topic for the The White Luck Warrior! Well, let me take the first bloody crack at this thing then. I shall do some ranting here, all about how I don't like this book <!-- s:mrgreen: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":mrgreen:" title="Mr. Green" /><!-- s:mrgreen: --> Let's hope this provoke some reaction. I'll post more fanboy-ish stuff later. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> Warning: some spoilers to follow.

Reading The White Luck Warrior, I really feel like Sarl: this is indeed the slog of slogs, boys! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> There are three huge problems with this book, first pacing, second style, and third character.

In terms of pacing, this book is just too many pages with too little happening. Huge stretches the book are filled literally with the endless slogs -- both the Great Ordeal's, and the Skin Eaters' travels to Sauglish. For the great ordeal, at least we get two big battles (alas both too short), the first being by far the more interesting. For the Skin Eaters, it's just sheer torture as a reader -- until the very end with the interesting encounter with the dragon, it's just an endless succession of, well, nothing. Bakker could have replaced all of it with just one line -- &quot;one of the Skin Eaters is a skin spy, who protects pregnant Mimara for some ancient prophecy&quot; -- and it would have the same effect on the plot.

As for style, I fear Bakker may be heading toward the deep end here: preaching, preaching, and more preaching! He's becoming Cleric! It's one thing to hear &quot;men are always wont to...&quot; from the lips of Kellhus as part of a developing plot; it's another thing altogether to sit through page after page of this stuff hearing it directly from the author. Ouch!

Last, character. Well, there just aren't any interesting characters. Esmi is flat. Mimara is flatter. Sorweel is the flattest. Kelmomas is not, since he's a psycho, but he's just not interesting. To see how to write interesting psychos: check out Cnauir and Kellhus during PON. For those of you who complain about the all-knowningness of Kellhus -- well see how do you like the book now without Kellhus's point of view! It's as exciting as white bread dipped in water.

I have thought about why I don't like these new characters -- Mimara, Sorweel, Kelmomas (I've never liked Esmi very much). I think it has to do with far too much introspection. Both Cnauir and Kellhus do introspection, but they also emote openly: Kellhus with his preaching and jokes and manipulation, Cnauir with his wild shouts of &quot;who will murder me!&quot; and all that. These new people just think and think and think and eventually lose all energy.

I've read somewhere that the next book will be titled &quot;Unholy Consult.&quot; At this pace, some POV from the bad guys will be greatly welcomed just to spice things up a little. view post

Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 01 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Madness, Peralogue

Hi Truth Shines,

Perhaps you can be a pebble that causes the avalanche. This place has been dead and empty for a long time. Except for myself and some hardcores who mine the old Author Q&amp;A for infodumps.

We need to get a mod back to the forum (I've seen Harrol kicking around Westeros,) pump some life back into these forums. We need a Bakker forum.

Your continued speculation might be just what is necessary. Anyhow, liked you comments.

Peace, TS. view post

Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 05 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Truth Shines, Candidate

Heh, here comes the avalanche...

Anyway, thanks for the reply. Continuing the theme of my original post, I shall further detail some of the things I don't like about this book (again, this is not to say it's all bad, but this is the thread about the bad stuff).

Once again, returning to why I don't like these new people: Sorweel, Mimara, Kelmomas: I've thought about it a little more, and here's perhaps the deeper reason -- they are too passive. In one way or another, they feel strongly that they are tools in the hands of greater things directing them to some goal that is not their own. Sorweel feels he's both a tool of Yatwer and the Anasurimbor family; Mimara fears she's being manipulated by Kellhus, but also with both her on-again-off-again &quot;judging eye&quot; and surprise pregnancy she just doesn't feel in control (she originally had a goal -- to learn sorcery -- but that has been abandoned a long time ago, casting her adrift); Kelmomas is literally being directed by a voice in his head. The only other main character, Esmi, of course is even worse as she spends most of her time guessing why Kellhus has put her in charge. As plot development, there's nothing wrong with them -- if that's how the story goes, so be it; but when put in the place of main characters, I find them very very wanting. As main characters, they are supposed to be the driving force of the story. They are supposed to have agency.

Again, I return to the comparison between them and the two main characters of PON -- Kellhus and Cnauir (Akka is kind of a narrator, straight-man). Both of them are overflowing with this sense of self-direction, agency, and strong motivation. From that comes great energy, action, and emotion. In contrast, these new people (and really Esmetnet and Serwe in PON) are forever in a state of doubt, insecurity, weakness. Perhaps it's a matter of personal taste, but to me that's just not attractive. view post

Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 05 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Truth Shines, Candidate

Now a couple of random potshots <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

The assassination of Maithanet.

Well this just doesn't make sense. In fact I would like someone to explain to me the whole break between him and Esmi, coup, and assassination for me. None of this makes much sense. But the assassination most of all. How could someone hide in a room and not be seen or sensed by a Dunyain? How could he successfully carry out a crude stabbing against a Dunyain? And why didn't Maithanet see something in Esmenet's face when they were talking, before the assassin struck? The whole thing stretches this reader's credulity past the breaking point.

The destruction of the Army of the South.

On two points, the way it happened really bothered me. First, in the initial phase of the battle, the king in charge (forgot his name) sent ALL the sorcerers out to attack the Horde. I just have a hard time believing that an experienced commander will make as egregious a mistake as keeping no reserves. In the first battle by the Army of the North, Serwa kept 40-some witches back as reserves, and this saved them from the ten-yoke-legion, so how was this lesson not learned? (In fact it is so basic it should require no learning). Second, they appeared to be utterly unprepared by the appearance of the Bashrags. How is this possible? This is supposed to be a march against the forces of the Consult! I would assume The Sagas would have included records of these monsters; but even if not, the Mandate schoolmen surely have told everyone about it -- all the more reason to keep some sorcerers in reserve. Yet they seem to have made no preparation for the Bashrags (things they could have used even without sorcery: a reserve of heavily armored knights with long lances, ballista, etc.). view post

Awesome, and Sad posted 15 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Awesome, and Sad by Ilyich, Commoner

I was blown away by this book. I'm doing a second read through, where I won't skip the Esmenet/Kelmomas/WLW chapters, but it was an amazing read all the same.


I was disappointed in the way Incariol died though. I thought he would have been a major character in the story, but I guess the Nonmen are characterized by tragedy, and so his death fit into that (it was the saddest part of the book). In my mind I was hoping for Incariol to redeem himself and challenge Kellhus, perhaps have his amnesia cured somehow. As well, if Incariol left Ishterebinth because the Nonmen there decided to ally themselves with Golgotterath, then I'm guessing that means the alliance Kellhus struck with them is a false one (unless he made a bargain with them the reader doesn't know about, tempting enough for them to betray Golgotterath and resist screwing the ordeal over so they can bask in the tragedy of it).

I'm also wondering if Mimara having a go with the Nonman will have any significance on the story (in regards to her already existing pregnancy). Just a thought, they aren't human after all.

I think Kellhus let Golgotterath know about the location of Ishual, so that if Achamian somehow managed to extricate himself from the predicament Kosoter put him, it wouldn't matter anyway; OR Kellhus traded the location of Ishual for something else.

Anyways, I can't wait to read the Unholy Consult. view post

No-God theory, or another theory posted 15 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]No-God theory, or another theory by Ilyich, Commoner

Not sure about Cnaiur being a candidate for the no-god... I always thought it was a combination of the tekne, consult sorcery, and a force from the outside. I had a post on here a long while ago where I noted the similarity between the Nonman wight's words in The Judging Eye and those instances where you get to read what the No-God says.

While he was possessed by the Nonman king, the spirit said a few things regarding a god.

&quot;I dream that I am a God.&quot;
&quot;But a hunger... a hunger runs through me... splits me like rotted stone.&quot;
&quot;How... could a God hunger?&quot;
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Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 20 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

Woops, must stop reading, don't own WLW yet...heh, just attracted here by the activity... view post

Well, ordered the book... posted 25 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Well, ordered the book... by Callan S., Auditor

Waiting trepedaciously for my semantic impact with that small obelisk of dead tree pulp and inkey runes?

Have you ever held a Bakker book between thumb and forefinger before you read it, thinking how many events (atleast at the mental level) is there, right there in front of you? Even if you don't know what, atleast for a moment you hold your future between thumb and forefinger, instead of it you?

Just thought I'd make a post on waiting for white luck warrior. Since the forums are quiet I'm sure the mods are a bit flexible on that <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post

The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 27 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Feel free to move this if a White-Luck Warrior thread is created.

Did anyone else expect a bit more from the conclusion? I don't intend this as a complaint or qualm with the book, but I have to admit I was expecting a bit more.

Specifically, I was expecting Bakker to reveal the contents of the text discovered by Akka in Sauglish (i.e. the document revealing the truth about Ishual); but then, I suppose that's the cliffhanger keeping people dedicated to picking up The Unholy Consult. I was just wondering if anyone else felt this way at the ending. Personally, I'm still invested and think this is one of the most epic and well-conceived fantasy series ever created. I was just anticipating a bit more reward at the end.

The whole revelation of the betrayal (of sorts) by the Skin Eaters was great though; the continual reminders of Akka's concern over his own betrayal was a well-placed red herring. I'm still not sure what part Mimara is going to play, but after her influence during the conclusion I'm intrigued... view post

The absolute posted 17 July 2011 in General DiscusssionThe absolute by Callan S., Auditor

The absolute. The self moving soul. Mastering all circumstances.

Okay, here's a simple question - how can more than one Dunyain ever have such a status? How can TWO people master all circumstances at once, eh?

The Dunyain never really struck me as community minded. Are they, behind all the shortest path stuff? (which begs the question, shortest for whom?)

Lol side note: I still think Scott had a cut throat gamist player in his D&amp;D game back in the day, and that's where the idea of Kelhus arrises from (in part!). view post

Well, ordered the book... posted 18 July 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Well, ordered the book... by Truth Shines, Candidate

Well don't keep me waiting! Tell me what you think. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Actually I've been re-reading Prince Of Nothing (yes, yet again, for probably the 4th or 5th time). There's just some wonderful magic about that series -- that astounding mix of entertainment and philosophizing and just outright amazingness (like that time when Cnauir rides with Kellhus across the stepps, and when Kellhus delivers that mouthwatering public spanking to Conphas early in TTT) <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post

The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 18 July 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by Truth Shines, Candidate

I didn't think much of the betrayal by the skin eaters. It was telegraphed from the very beginning. It feels almost like Bakker is saying -- &quot;well, you guys have fulfilled your function, off you go.&quot; I did find the very end quite surprising: a true twist/cliffhanger, which has never happened before.

In every previous book, the ends flow naturally from the early plot development and form natural stops. At the end of TDTCB, it's the start of the march of the Holy War after long preparations; at the end of TWP, it's the victory of the Holy War against the Padirajah, the decisive victory against the Fanim; at the end of the TTT, it's the ascension of Kehllhus to the throne of Aspect-Emperor, the expected end of the story arc for the &quot;prince of nothing&quot;; at the end of TJE, it's the skin eaters breaking through Cil-Aujas, a good waypoint on a long journey.

Here, it's something that I never saw coming: the Dunyain, disappearing?! <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> Honestly I have no idea what to think. Any hypothesis? view post

Well, ordered the book... posted 18 July 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Well, ordered the book... by Callan S., Auditor

Well, I recieved it. But if to think what to say is to summerize, I'm not sure I can.

I will say I think the early books were denser - not surprising since Scott formulated them the most, for so long.

Most of my interest in the books isn't directly tied to the fantasy, but in the lines drawn to our past and the utterly nasty events there, so easy to forget. I often feel the books are educative first - though as said, mostly so with the first few and less dense with latter books.

I find it difficult to withdraw so as to gain perspective, as to do so requires a certain amount of glibness. Which given the subject matter I'm not inclined to take on. I guess that's what makes the books compelling? Can't withdraw from the frame? view post

The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 19 July 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by Callan S., Auditor

Kellhus teleported back and terminated them? view post

The browser game that comes before...? posted 19 July 2011 in General DiscusssionThe browser game that comes before...? by Callan S., Auditor

Having learnt some PHP code, I was idly thinking of making a browser based game in relation to the three seas. Before anyone gets excited, browser games are primarily text based with still images and second, yes, it'd be covered in disclaimers that I do not claim any right at all to the source and I grovel at the boot of Scott, hoping not to be struck down by a C&amp;D letter (at which point I'd have to go strip all the IP out and replace it with my own).

I was actually thinking of something around the skalpers era, as that has lots of monster fighting as well as lots of people of many cultures there and so much intrigue.

It'd be difficult to actually maintain any self reflection element (rather than let it become yet another sycophancy game on the web), but I think some could be implemented.

Thoughts? view post

The browser game that comes before...? posted 26 July 2011 in General DiscusssionThe browser game that comes before...? by Callan S., Auditor

I was thinking of playing on the idea of damnation - you start with a character who has done dark things.

Now, I was thinking that you could redeem a character over time. Once fully redeemed (pentinent?), the character retires (you keep a bunch of resources like money and such, since the traditional model of browser games is resource accumulation).

Or you can just keep doing black deeds until your dark and crispy with sin particles!

Or I dunno, am I being wussy having the option for redemptive acts? More Bakker like to have entropic sin rule the universe, eh? And no one breaks the rules of thermo dynamic sin? view post

Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 27 July 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by sneroplex, Commoner

I'm assuming the assassin that killed Maithanet was the white luck warrior. Maithanet didn't do anything about it because he's Dunyain and thinks he's all badass with that 'what comes before determines what comes after' BS. The white-luck killed him because 'what comes after determines what comes before,' Maitha was already dead and that's why it was so easy for him to just walk up and casually stick a knife in his throat. Yatwer is at work.

It was not planned by Esmi, she even recognized him as her own assassin somehow... I was fully expecting him to kill her next but it didn't happen for some reason, the guy just stood there. Not her time yet I guess? Either way she quickly took control of the situation by claiming Khellus sent the assassin and that they should worship her again. view post

The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 27 July 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by sneroplex, Commoner

Well for starters I'm not convinced that the final sentences of the book mean Ishual and the Dunyain are gone. Yes it says it's ruined, yes it says it's another dead place... but wasn't Ishual already a ruin before the Dunyain got there? What I gathered from reading the first books is that the Dunyain remained in a hidden and desolate place in the shadow of Golgatteroth because it was ruined and because the consult did not suspect them to be there... otherwise how else would they survive if the place was shiny like new and practically screamed &quot;Hey! Anasurimbor's hidden here!&quot;

Or Khellus did go back and destroy it. Depending on his motivations why would he want to leave the Dunyain alive? Seems like they would be his greatest threat and if he has the power of sorcery while none of them do he could simply teleport in and nuke the place...

Guess we won't know for sure until the next book. view post

The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 29 July 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by Truth Shines, Candidate

Looking back, I suppose I should have expected this, given the nature of the Dunyain. After all, they have already gone through the experience of having Moenghus' exile backfire on them becauuse the guy knows where they are. It really shouldn't have come as a suprise that after Kellhus leaves, they would pick up and move somewhere else so Kellhus couldn't come back and disturb them like his dad did. The question, of course, is where. And what happens to Achamian?

But suppose they didn't move? Some wiiiiiiiiiild speculations <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> : after kicking Kellhus' ass, that Nonman Erratic from the prologue of first book decides to look for the source of this new Anasurimbor and stumbles upon Ishual. Big fight, his sorcery destroys everything and everyone. Achamian then uses the traces of the sorcery unleashed on Ishual to track him back to Golgotterath and infiltrates the pit of obscenities, a la Seswatha (this would also fit with those weird dreams Achamian suffers in TWLW, where he seems to be somewhere in a golden tunnel or something, which reminds me of those dreams he had of Seswatha when Seswatha went into Golgotterath). This fits nicely into the Achamian-is-Sesweatha-reborn theme. Also, if true, this may mean Mimara might give birth in Golgoterrath -- Mog-Pharu's second coming, anyone? <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> Now you might ask: if that Erratic had attacked Ishual, how come the Consult didn't seem to know who the Dunyain were during PON? Well, he forgot, of course! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post

Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 01 August 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

On two points, the way it happened really bothered me. First, in the initial phase of the battle, the king in charge (forgot his name) sent ALL the sorcerers out to attack the Horde.

Because Kellhus manipulated them to screw up.

So as to enable the taboo breaking 'We will eat sranc' command to be adopted while, in defeat, the armies collective mental guard is down. view post


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