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jub Peralogue | joined 07 November 2007 | 58 posts


Free Will posted 07 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by jub, Peralogue

All actions are the result of causal events and certain circumstantial conditions that induce us to act. Without these influences we would be unable to act, unable to decide between A or B. view post


Free Will posted 07 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by jub, Peralogue

If an agent's action is free the agent has to have had the ability to do otherwise. view post


Favorite books/series posted 08 November 2007 in Literature DiscussionFavorite books/series by jub, Peralogue

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All time favourites:
Tolstoy - War & Peace
Homer - The Iliad
Nabokov - Pale Fire
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Been meaning to read Tolstoy for so long. The Iliad is great, but I prefer the Odyssey, mainly because it is reflected in so many modern works. And if you enjoyed Pale Fire you should defenatly read House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewki, has some of the same themes. Great read. view post


Dan Brown posted 08 November 2007 in Literature DiscussionDan Brown by jub, Peralogue

Dan Brown is for idiots. Enough said. view post


Free Will posted 08 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by jub, Peralogue

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I'm afraid I'm of the opinion that the question is a pointless one. [/quote:2we977y3]

Pointless because you don't like the answer? Or pointless because you fail to gain anything from it? The way I see it, I gain a whole lot from the discussion of free will, in the same way people gain a lot from their belief in a god.

Quote: "Israfel":2we977y3
Without accepting the idea of free will the whole background behind human interaction and one's idea of self ceases to have meaning[/quote:2we977y3]

How does anything change by accepting that we have no free will?

Quote: "Israfel":2we977y3

It is impossible to truly believe or act as if free will doesn't exist, and is therefore irrelevent to pursue the matter of whether our actions are actually free.[/quote:2we977y3]

It isn't impossible to believe anything, I could wholeheartedly believe that the sun rotates around the earth; I could believe any number of things. I fail to see how my belief in the non-existence of free will changes anything. view post


Free Will posted 12 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by jub, Peralogue

Determinism isn't the only argument out there, of which I am sure you know. Yet I am still puzzled as to why you would call this a non-question? I understand all the contradictions that determinism imposes, but what philosophical question does not come with these issues? From your explanation I would say you find the argument on personal identity a non-question also? What about consciousness? Dualism? view post


Personal Identity posted 20 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionPersonal Identity by jub, Peralogue

What makes you, you? Is it a soul that defines us, our brain, or maybe our memories? Are we the same person we were 15 years ago? view post


Personal Identity posted 20 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionPersonal Identity by jub, Peralogue

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What defines us is continuity, which is more-or-less the same as a soul.
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So, you believe in life after death; or are you refering to 'soul' as a means for definition?

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There are various mental tricks to get at these conclusions; one is to imagine a machine that can make a perfect copy of you. Is the copy you?[/quote:1qxfndwx]

So if I am a continuity of (you have yet to explain), and someone makes an exact copy of me, with the same memories of the same experiences, would that mean there are two of me now? view post


Free Will posted 21 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by jub, Peralogue

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So I would agree that causes are very often found within our character, but deny the assertion that these causes shackle us to a certain path. And it is that assertion that I believe stands at the centre of the point I made earlier about the lack of sense in asking the question as we do.
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So how does this make us any less of a 'robot programmed to move in certain ways'? Are you suggesting at some point in your judgement you way up the possible decisions, and act on what you feel is best? So to put it crudely, you systematically eliminate possible decisions until you find the most probable action for success. Or do you somehow avoid using any form of judgement in your decision making? view post


Personal Identity posted 28 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionPersonal Identity by jub, Peralogue

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No, there would be one you, and another who is very much like you. If nothing else, they occupy a different space than you, and begin to have divergent experiences the moment they are created.[/quote:12j7d06a]

Then we are a compilatoin of past experiences, nothing more? view post


Free Will posted 28 November 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by jub, Peralogue

Quote: "Israfel":10hi1foa

Not sure I understand the question you're asking here[/quote:10hi1foa]

In plain terms, how would you explain your actions as being free? view post


Free Will posted 02 December 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by jub, Peralogue

Quote: "Israfel":33zogeyp
Essentially mine is a conception of action in which the consciousness has a choice to make, and can genuinely decide which way to go.[/quote:33zogeyp]

Determinism doesn't try to refute this; it accepts that we make a choice, it just dennies we would have made any other choice given the exact same circumstances. view post


Free Will posted 16 January 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by jub, Peralogue

Christianity believes in a whole lot of crap view post


Is God Flawed??? posted 16 January 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionIs God Flawed??? by jub, Peralogue

Is God flawed? What God are you talking of? Do you have a description of this 'God' to criticize? view post


The Reaction of a New Religion posted 06 February 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Reaction of a New Religion by jub, Peralogue

Darwinism anyone? view post


The Reaction of a New Religion posted 06 February 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Reaction of a New Religion by jub, Peralogue

A lot of people are swayed just so they can fit in. Christianity is dying, and I hear the word 'atheism' being thrown around lately. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 29 February 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by jub, Peralogue

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I don't think you should take it that seriously rogue.
And I still haven't seen any 'concrete evidence' that backs up your belief in the non-exsistence of a higher being. Also the link you gave us disputes the importance of Religion, not God.
I really did like the part where you called Harrol 'absurd and ignorant' though, clearly shows your superiority. And I assume you know Harrol in person, because the irony created from that post would just be to much to handle if you didn't. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 08 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by jub, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:2il6hrge

Just wanted to add that I tend to doubt that any such evidence that &quot;proves&quot; the non-existence of a higher being could exist. It's a bit of a non-sequitir; belief in God or a higher-being is subject to neither proof nor disproof.[/quote:2il6hrge]

Exactly.

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:2il6hrge

As regards the link Rogue supplied, it does give us ample evidence that the higher being (however we define him) is not much interested in healing amputees (He isn't interested at all in fact). I think that is sufficient grounds to with-hold our worship.[/quote:2il6hrge]

On what basis can you justify the claim that this divinity-in-question is not interested in us? And I am quite certain if you look - try thinking first - you will find dozens of logical arguments as to why a God would choose not to heal amputees. This argument alone accounts to nothing. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 09 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by jub, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:1v5upd97

Name one such argument; if God intercedes on behalf of cancer victims and those threaened by bush fires.[/quote:1v5upd97]

Who said God interceds at all? And what's to say this life is just a test? It would be rather silly if the examiner helped you with your final exam don't you think? view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 10 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by jub, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:s5vvgmiu

I did, for the sake of argument. [/quote:s5vvgmiu]
I'm not saying that God intercedes. So I'm not sure why you would throw that in.

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:s5vvgmiu

Earlier, however, you made a claim that dozens of &quot;logical&quot; arguments could be proposed for God's pathological dislike of amputees and his stubborn intransigence with regards to answering their prayers. I asked you to voice one of them.[/quote:s5vvgmiu]

I made no such claim. You are putting words in my mouth. I never said this God dislikes amputees I also never said this God was stubborn or intransigent. A God that is stubborn? Kinda contradicts the idea of God.
However I did say there are dozens of logical arguments that could explain why a God would choose not to heal amputees, or in broader terms, why a God would choose not to intercede in our lives.
1.) It would destroy all the current belief systems as well as social order.
2.) If this God rewarded he would also have to punish in order to keep balance.

The link provided before is as useless attempt to hurt current religions and beliefs in a biblical God. It is a pointless rant, backed up by a biased view, by some atheist with a grudge. And please, for future discussion, can we refrain from using a bib lical account of God? It is flawed, we all know it, it's been known since antiquity. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 13 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by jub, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:oob0qsgk


I don't think the link is all that useless in its attempt to discredit current religious belief. [/quote:oob0qsgk]
I would quote all the flaws in his arguments but that would take to long and I don't have the patience.

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:oob0qsgk

This might not have the effect of destroying the social order as you suggest, and the amputee might well be of the opinion, &quot;Bugger the social order, give me my lost limb back&quot;. After all, as the link demonstrates, many attribute the remission of a cancer patient to God's intercession in actual human life, and this has had no palpable influence on human behaviour and society.[/quote:oob0qsgk]

&quot;Aged sir, I who came to you am a god immortal, Hermes. My father sent me dowde and go with youn to guide and go with you. But now I am going back again, and I will not go in before the eyes of Achilleus, for it would make others angry for an immortal god so to face mortal men with favour.&quot; From the Iliad book 24.

And your example of cancer patients; well if God came down and said &quot;Be Cured!&quot; and all saw this I'm quiet sure this would cause a few ripples through society. Having a Christian, for example, say it was God's intervention that cured them isn't going to turn many heads, but if that person had solid evidence that it was God, well, you see how many people flock to see some so called mircale, imagine if that mircale was proof of God's exsistence. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 16 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by jub, Peralogue

<!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> I hope you're not refering to Odin? At least he had character <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 19 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Does every human being have a right to live, or is it society that gives us this right? view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 20 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Yet the human race has thrived of infanticide, and abortion is pretty much the same thing but less cruel. view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 23 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Can we go to the basics?
Why do I have a right to live?
Is it because it is only fair that we give everyone a chance? view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 27 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Very enlightining, thank you. That pretty much answers my question. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 01 April 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Utilitarianism vs. Kantianism? Thoughts? view post


Is God Flawed??? posted 19 May 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionIs God Flawed??? by jub, Peralogue

You're right, it is John Milton who did the whole fallen angel thing. Although William Blake does have some tasty proverbs from hell. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> view post


Is God Flawed??? posted 19 May 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionIs God Flawed??? by jub, Peralogue

Yeah that's one of my favourites; also I love the IX book:
&quot;His gentle dumb expression turned at length
The eye of Eve to mark his play; he glad
Of her attention gained, with serpent tongue
Organic, or impulse of vocal air,
His fraudulent temptation thus began.&quot;
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Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 19 May 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Yet couldn't suicide be considered immoral? In certain situations the suffering a suicide leaves behind is exponentially greater than if the person chooses to live.
I don't think we've out grown capital punishment yet, not when there are situations where the possibility of rehabilitation are zip. Think of the money spent on maintaining prisons, then think of the possibilities that that money could give to thousands of others.
With abortion I'm more favourable towards than against, especially with the worlds population as high as it is.

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