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Nerdanel Peralogue | joined 08 August 2006 | 59 posts


kellhus == good guy?? posted 08 August 2006 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think Kellhus is evil, even though he wouldn't see himself that way. I see Kellhus essentially as an improved edition of Ikurei Conphas ...and the skin-spies. He is better at what he does than either, but he isn't any nicer.

I think it's clear that Conphas is a clever sociopath. He has no lover nor remorse. Kellhus is also like that, but with his mastery of faces he is able to hide it far better. Nobody will see it in his face when he's contemplating the benefits and drawbacks of killing someone. I think a sociopath may be the only true evil there is - beyond the scope of more human-scale evils of people like Cnaiur - and the Dûnyain are Conditioned to be sociopathic.

Kellhus is also much like the skin-spies. In the Prologue we learn that Nonmen used the Dûnyain to infiltrate human societies in order to sow discord, war, and suffering. It appears that the Dûnyain were essentially weapons forged for a purpose. Even undirected, they would have retained this heritage of evil, as the Dûnyain culture appears extraordinary unchanging.

I belong firmly to the "Kellhus is scary" camp. I think it's a testament to his powers of persuasiveness that all the readers don't see him the same way. He reminds me of Sauron taking over Númenor and Lord Foul infiltrating the Council of Lords in other literature, but we've never seen the process this close and detailed. view post


The Shortest Path posted 09 August 2006 in The Warrior ProphetThe Shortest Path by Nerdanel, Peralogue

On the way to Asgilioch the various factions within the Holy War choose their own route. Most choose to cut through the plains, but Proyas takes the long way, marches along a road, and arrives to Asgilioch many days before the other Great Names. I do not think it's a coincidence that Proyas is the Great Name who is particularly concerned with moral behavior.

Kellhus's creed is to always take the shortest path. I think the previous events are meant to illustrate that such an approach is not as effective as it might seem. Kellhus doesn't believe in that which comes after could determine which comes before, but in the future the side effects of his choices will be part of that which comes before. As the shortest path to a given goal tends to be unethical, the side effects of Kellhus's successess will stay around to compilcate his life in the future. Moënghus was 100% successful with Cnaiür, but his manipulations resulted in Cnaiür gaining a resistance to Dûnyain techniques as well as a hatred of them.

Similarly, the Mandate's manipulating of Achamian to recruit Inrau was successful in its goal, but later on it caused Achamian to not report on Kellhus when he would otherwise have done so.

The shortest path might be called more accurately the short-sighted path. view post


No-God and the Topoi of Caraskand posted 11 August 2006 in The Warrior ProphetNo-God and the Topoi of Caraskand by Nerdanel, Peralogue

(I'm feeling a little silly posting speculative threads without being able to peek into the TTT forum to see if it's all done before, but anyway...)

We know that topoi are created when there is a great deal of suffering in one place. Mengedda certainly qualifies, but I think Caraskand does too after its bloody sacking. I think certain curious incidents point that way.

I think the No-God is able to speak in topoi through the throats of dying people such as Saubon's groom Kussalt and Kellhus. Watch out for unexplained italics! Kussalt's laughter and his last words about hating Saubon were out of character, and Kellhus has never before demonstrated a power to direct his words to one person so that nobody else hears, as happened with Cnaiür and Achamian when Kellhus hung from the tree. I also think

Various people, including Achamian, have unusual nightmares while in Mengedda. In Caraskand Achamian, instead of dreaming about Seswatha, dreams about Kellhus and Esmenet having sex. This sort of dream happens to be one of the most obvious avenues if something wants to hurt Akka in his dreams.

It is known that anyone who dies in Mengedda has his soul taken by the No-God. I think that's what happens to Saubon. I think Saubon gets killed by the Cishaurim just before he sees and touches his own corpse, but the No-God resurrects him immediately, so that Saubon doesn't notice dying. I think the reason for the No-God's intervention is to make the Inrithi win, and indeed Saubon's lone charge is the thing that decides the battle while his death would have been a grave blow to the Inrithi morale.

I think Kellhus had figured out the possibility for resurrection, which is why he thought Serwë might come back from the dead. It might be, however, that Kellhus gets resurrected by the No-God, which would be right in theme for a messiah figure.

Incidentally, it would seem that the No-God really is evil rather than misunderstood and is a rational actor. I wonder if the No-God is the mysterious Thousandfold Thought. I wonder if Lakuth is the Scylvendi language version of Logos. view post


Looking for new Moderator posted 14 August 2006 in General AnnouncementsLooking for new Moderator by Nerdanel, Peralogue

That's just rich. For a moment I thought that someone with the power to do something about it had decided to respond to this site's spam problem, but no. The call for a new moderator was an ancient topic resurrected by a SPAMMER (probably automated and only coincidentally funny) surreptiously peddling some scum site.

"Where do you get it?" Indeed, where do we get a new moderator? view post


Seswatha's dreams. posted 20 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha's dreams. by Nerdanel, Peralogue

The dreams have been changing since before the beginning of the story. Early in TDTCB Achamian is seen keeping records of his dreams, and one of the records is about the burning of the library in Sauglish. Achamian sees his face in the mirror instead of Seswatha's as usual. I think this is a premonition of the burning of the Sareotic library.

I think Seswatha is influencing the dreams, either from the Outside or from the world somehow. (Just as a crackpot theory, perhaps the resemblance between the words "Seswatha" and "Wathi Doll" is no coincidence...) I think the correspondence of what dreams repeat when shows that they are meant to convey topical messages, although the vocabulary is limited. view post


Men v. Nonmen posted 22 June 2007 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Do you people think there's any chance that Scott's summary of the things currently known about the Nonmen might contain things that will be proved false in the later books or should we take all of it as a given? In particular, I'm thinking about the explanation behind the specialized memory loss. The human brain simply doesn't work that way, and while I'm fully aware that we're talking about Nonmen here, I don't know whether to believe the official line or not.

You know, it's pretty annoying when a self-consistent and brilliant (or at least brilliantly insane) theory with some fairly radical implications for the future of the story vanishes in a puff of smoke because of something the author said outside of the actual books... view post


No-God's questions posted 23 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I have an entirely different theory. I think the No-God is asking the questions, because he's been suddenly blinded and can't see what's in front of him.

Notice how the No-God's tornado ravages his own troops while the Sranc claw their eyes. I think Seswatha has cast a low-level blindness spell on all the gazillion Sranc present. IIRC Achamian casts just that spell while escaping the Scarlet Spires. I think the No-God was blinded since his carapace was opaque and he saw only through the eyes of his minions.

Translating the No-God's words:

WHAT DO YOU SEE?
"Describe me what you see, particularly where we are, where the enemy is, how their troops are arranged, if is anyone trying anything funny, that kind of thing."

I MUST KNOW WHAT YOU SEE.
"I can't target any of my doom spells if I don't know where the enemy is. We're in the middle of a battle, in the case you missed that little fact."

TELL ME.
"Once again, and I'm repeating this very slowly for you imbecilles, I need a description of the battlefield. Got it?"

WHAT AM I?
"Do you think I'm a fluffy bunny or something, instead of a great and terrible god that's going to damn all of you very soon now unless you obey me like good little slaves and beg for forgiveness?"

The No-God probably would have been able to do something to counter the Heron Spear if he hadn't been blind and had been able to see that it was about to be used. view post


Those wacky Dunyain, sorcery and other ramblings posted 24 June 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Those wacky Dunyain, sorcery and other ramblings by Nerdanel, Peralogue

What strikes me most about the Dûnyain is how they in their pursuit of total freedom have been forming themselves into perfect tools. The ideal Dûnyain is like a highly capable machine unswayable by love or pity or passing whims. They are like the skin-spies, but more effective and harder to detect. They are devoted into manipulating others, but they are blind to see how their own preconceptions chain them far tighter than any mundane religion or habit. It is telling that the word "Dûnyain" means "Truth", and I don't think that's any more objective or closer to the fundamental truths than the similarly manipulatively named "Objectivism". A Dûnyain will strive to control everyone and everything around him, turning them into extensions of his will, and in turn extensions of the mold implied by the Dûnyain philosophy, making the whole shebang far easier to predict and control behind the scenes for someone who knows what's makes a Dûnyain tick.

I think it may not be a coincidence that the words "Logos" and "Lokung" are so close to each other. Yes, I'm saying that like the Scylvendi, the Dûnyain follow on a path set by the No-God. Despite the superficial differences between the two, both are fine examples of the D&D term Lawful Evil. Kellhus also observed that the warlike Scylvendi culture was stable to a curious degree. The Dûnyain culture has also been essentially changeless for two thousand years. I think they are both results of skillful memetic engineering.

Of course this raises the question of why the Consult has been ignorant of the Dûnyain. My answer is that during the Apocalypse the Consult was just that, a mere consultative (and even that may have been the Consult being as self-aggrandizing as they possibly could without offending their master) agency to the No-God who called the shots. Since I think the No-God has been sorely underestimated by this board, I don't think beyond the reach of possibility that most of the Consult has been out of the loop for certain intrigues during the Apocalypse. (I think Mekeritrig knew, however, based on his showing in the Prologue, although he may have forgotten since.) During the Apocalypse the generals of the good guys had a hard time avoiding getting murdered, and there was also that mysterious burning of ships that was never solved. That suggests an undercover group of bad guys, and I think those were the Dûnyain, posing as harmless monks, which I suppose they were once upon a time before they were converted to their "Truth".

I think the Dûnyain were directed by the No-God to Ishuäl. I think their purpose was to take in the heir of the Anasûrimbor line in order to co-opt the prophecy and make the destined return to be a sign of doom rather than hope. The fulfilling of the prophecy then got delayed far more than anyone had anticipated, but the Dûnyain kept to their purpose. view post


Was Cnauir gay? posted 25 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Cnaiür was gay, gay, gay and in total denial about it. I think Moënghus probably chose him because he was gay and therefore easier to turn against the customs of the People. A lot has been said on the subject of Cnaiür's gayness. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is how in one scene Cnaiür thinks about Conphas's pretty eyelashes. I think the true reason Cnaiür refused to kill Conphas was that he was in love with him, although Cnaiür's unhealthy repressed feelings lead him into homophobia and violent rage.

Cnaiür also doesn't seem to have had any children before little Moënghus, conceived in front of Kellhus in an attempt to show off heterosexuality. I think the reason is his desire for "illicit congress" with his wives. I think he liked to have sex in ways that allowed him to imagine he was having sex with a man, and that's why there were no children. I don't think the lack of children is explicitly mentioned anywhere, but the absence of mention is glaring. For example, think about the dream sequence in which Moënghus has taken Cnaiür's animals and wives, but Cnaiür's children are nowhere to be seen.

Re: slash, I think most M/M slash is written by heterosexual females for the same reason that heterosexual men like Lesbian p*orn. Even when published authors write about homosexual characters, I have noticed that most female authors portray homosexual males and male authors females. That's why when a male author writes about gay men, it gets one thinking... view post


Questions about Xerius posted 25 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions about Xerius by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think the true crucial reason was that while he in his lust and drunkenness had been able to disregard his brain's warnings about the suspicious youth of Istriya, he was about to have sex with her, and he would most definitely not overlook a penis. That left the skin-spy with very few options. view post


Was Cnauir gay? posted 25 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Okay, I'll believe you about Cnaiür's children...

(He's still gay though, as I had much better points too.)

Considering that of my recent post this one is the only one to gain any replies, I wonder if I should post my crackpot theory about Nonmen Erratics and related things, so that people can tell me how wrong I am... view post


Who was Kellus talking to? posted 25 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWho was Kellus talking to? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think Kellhus is speaking to the No-God. It's possible that Kellhus thinks he's talking to the "real" God.

Let's take a look at the details of the scene.

Kellhus stops at a stand of dead trees. Living and dead trees are a repeating religion-related motif in the series. The discussion goes behind the scope of this post, but I think a dead tree represents the No-God.

He faces away from the Nail of Heaven. Inri Sejenus is reputed to have risen to the Nail of Heaven, so Kellhus faces to the opposite direction from Sejenus's heaven. We haven't had a detailed treatise of Eärwan astronomy, but I think it's highly likely from an aesthetic viewpoint that while there's an extremely bright pole star in the north, the stars circle a black emptiness in the south. (I've been thinking that the name No-God - known to be a translation - would be better translated as "the Anti-God". I also think that's the spoilerish name of the third series.)

Kellhus speaks. The answer seems to come in the form of a sourceless wind. The No-God has been able to make wind in the past, as exemplified by his tornado. Also, the description of the branches against the constellations is reminiscent of Kellhus's dream on the Circumfix.

Kellhus responds. The answer seems to come in the faint noises made by maggots and termites, feeders on death. I don't see an explicit connection to the No-God here, but this scene has quite an emphasis on death.

Kellhus responds. The answer seems to come in the form of a twig in his sandal. The twig has a green leaf and a brown one. Kellhus is enlightened by this and realizes that not all paths are equal. Now, the question is, which leaf did Kellhus choose and why?

On this board and elsewhere, the assumption seems to be that Kellhus chose the green leaf, since that's what any of us would do. However, since Kellhus is not like any of us, the choice is not that simple, particularly with all the death imagery extant in the scene. I think he may well have chosen to brown leaf, possibly in connection with his decision to kill his father. A dead tree is a tree that is stable and will not grow unexpected branches. Kellhus has changed, but I think his Dûnyain desire to control everything shows every sign of still being there. view post


Akka....The Chanv addict? posted 26 June 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Akka....The Chanv addict? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I just found an interesting quote that suggests that Akka may indeed become a chanv addict with all the resulting complications.

Quote: "Future Akka":12zpciuc
My heart shrivels even as my intellect bristles.[/quote:12zpciuc]

This comes from the pre-chapter quote of TTT, Chapter One. view post


Who was Kellus talking to? posted 27 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWho was Kellus talking to? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think outside of the strict hierarchy of Ishuäl, the Dûnyain are natural enemies. I think it's like the Kellhus/Comphas clash that came to be because both were so similar. Kellhus and Comphas are both ambitious and charismatic manipulators of other people, and while Kellhus is plain better in every respect, Conphas is good enough not to be taken in by Kellhus's deceptions and to mount some plausible opposition.

I think the Dûnyain sent Kellhus fully knowing that Kellhus and Moënghus would never cooperate. One would kill the other. Either that, or one would manipulate the other from the shadows in order to gain a greater control over the world, since there are few tools more effective than a Dûnyain who thinks he is making his own choices... view post


Akka....The Chanv addict? posted 28 June 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Akka....The Chanv addict? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

The first intransitive verb meaning for "bristle" in my Webster is

to stand or rise stiffly, like bristles


It's not literally grow, sharpen, or increase, but I think for an intellect rising (or the state of having stood up) means pretty much the same. The biggest reason why I'm thinking this particular definition is correct is however the earlier part of the sentence.

Heart vs. Intellect
Shrivel vs. Bristle

I think the sentence has been intentionally built to use contrasting opposites. It also fits really well with the known effects of chanv, even if you acknowledge only the first part as such. For someone as hearbroken as Akka it does make sense to seek detachment so that he doesn't end up like Leweth the trapper, and then there's the already-mentioned factor of not being too old when the Apocalypse strikes.

(This thread has been the fastest to slide into dictionary definitions that I've ever seen...) view post


Was Cnauir gay? posted 28 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Jamara: I read the whole thread before responding, but your post was so good I didn't mind reading it again. I agree completely.

By the way, I've been thinking that the Scylvendi might have an above-average number of gay men among them, since it appears that closeted homosexuality is a survival trait among them, and makes them more driven to excel in all "manly" pursuits such as warfare and fathering many children. The closeted gays would in turn reinforce the repressive homophobic atmosphere due to their need for projection, shifting the blame, and making sure that no one else gets to have the forbidden fun if they can't. So the next generation grows up in a homophobic atmosphere, and the vicious circle of Scylvendi martial accomplishment is ready... view post


Is No-God an Apache Attack Helicopter? posted 10 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs No-God an Apache Attack Helicopter? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think the No-God is properly called the Anti-God. The idea is that if your evil deeds (which you aren't about to repent) make you incompatible with the forces of goodness, you'd better make sure you're on the good side of the Devil, worship him, and help him take over the world. view post


the Few posted 10 July 2007 in General Discusssionthe Few by Nerdanel, Peralogue

They aren't. The Schools are just sexist. The women who do magic are called witches and operate in secret. view post


Moënghus won by losing, fooled everybody posted 25 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMoënghus won by losing, fooled everybody by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think Moënghus is currently suffering from severe underappreciation on this forum. I think Kellhus underestimated his daddy, and most readers then bought his reasoning as canon. But Kellhus isn't infallible, especially when going against another Dûnyain.

I think nobody disagrees that Mallahet = Moënghus, so I'm skipping the evidence for that.

Quote: "Cememketri":1sago7ly
Mallahet is second only to Seokti in the Cishaurim. And then only because their Prophetic Law bars non-Kianene from the position of the Heresiarch. Even the Cishaurim are fearful of his power!
[/quote:1sago7ly]

That doesn't square at all with Kellhus's estimation that Moënghus was weak:

Quote: "Kellhus":1sago7ly
Seökti and the others respect you. Indeed, as Mallahet you have a reputation that reaches across Kian and beyond. But secretly, they all think you cursed by the Solitary God. Why else would the Water elude you?

[...] For years you waged futile war against circumstance and though your intellect could astound those around you and earn you access to their most privileged counsels, the instant they found themselves beyond the force of your presence, the undermining whispers were rekindled. "He is weak."[/quote:1sago7ly]

Considering that Kellhus's reasoning is inference based on what he knows and that his primary source is Achamian, I'm more inclined to trust Cememketri and believe that Moënghus is the most powerful Cishaurim ever. The Cishaurim are Cememketri's ancestral enemy and ever-present foreign relations issue, not Achamian's. Achamian may know a good bit about everything, but that's not the same thing as knowing everything. And none of the Inrithi are particularly knowledgeable of the finer points of Psûkhe and its compatibility with the Dûnyain.

And, Kellhus himself has first-hand knowledge that Moënghus has fanatical followers among the Cishaurim, such as the one that delivered him the message about the Thousandfold Thought.

Quote: "Kellhus":1sago7ly
And without your eyes, your ability to discern what comes before is much reduced. The snakes are but pinholes. [...]

Then, about twelve years ago, you discovered the first of the Consult skin-spies - probably through discrepancies in their voices.[/quote:1sago7ly]

Kellhus is forgetting/never heard of one thing, namely that snakes, unlike humans, have an excellent sense of smell. My guess is that the all the Cishaurim can smell out the skin-spies. I don't think the Consult would have been unable to infiltrate the sizable territory controlled by the Fanim if it had been just Moënghus alone. At worst, the skin-spies would have been forced to mimic mute people. (And if you don't believe in the scent theory, my second-most plausible choice is that Moënghus is able to do some sort of astral travel thing to scan people's souls. It isn't nearly as elegant and likely as the scent, thought.)

Then there's the issue of smelling emotions. I've heard dogs can smell fear. I have no idea about the rest of the feelings, but if they can be smelled, count on Moënghus being able to do so.

Quote: "Moënghus":1sago7ly
I have some facility for those elements of Psûkhe that require more subtlety than power. Scrying, Calling, Translating...[/quote:1sago7ly]

Unsaid: Illusion, Possession... (Remember Aurang.) Even if you believe that Moënghus isn't very powerful in the Water and isn't misleading Kellhus to underestimate him about that, he can still pack a punch.

A particularly interesting detail is how Serwë and Cnaiür appeared just after Kellhus had stabbed Moënghus. That level of coincidence suggests planning, and if you remember that both Kellhus and Cnaiür had been summoned there by Moënghus...

You know, I think the Moënghus Kellhus is talking to isn't really Moënghus. I think he's possing someone his height and relying on illusion for the rest. I think he arranged the meeting with Kellhus fully intending to get "killed" so that Kellhus would think himself forevermore free from his father's manipulation, thus making him controllable. And I think he probably used possession to make Kellhus stab him at exactly the right moment, so that Kellhus thought it was his idea.

I do think Moënghus was the big winner of the trilogy. He controls the Shriah and (indirectly) the Aspect-Emperor. I also suspect he or a puppet of his may become the Heresiarch now that Seökti is dead. Mallahet's rivals have died mostly defending Shimeh, so that he could finally overwrite that pesky rule about the non-Kianene without too much opposition. That about wraps it up for the control of the formerly-fractitious Three Seas. Char and ruin here we come! view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 03 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Presumably the name Anasûrimbor goes through only the male line just like real world surnames. The entire Ishuäl might have some Anasûrimbor blood, but only a portion would have the surname. view post


Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 12 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Re: haloed hands, I just had an idea...

I think Kellhus is not the only character with the halos. I think Moénghus has them too, due to he also having access to the Thousandfold Thought (he sent a message to Kellhus where he mentions it). I think the halos are a side effect of the Thousandfold Thought, and the Thousandfold Thought is (or is part of) the No-God. I think Kellhus and Moénghus are BOTH prophets of the No-God, even though Kellhus probably doesn't realize it.

I have earlier speculated about Moënghus's ability to possess the bodies of others. (I think he is still alive and the body that was killed wasn't his real one.) I think he was possessing a skin-spy from afar to check up on how Kellhus was doing. view post


Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 12 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think Akka was believing for little bits of time here and there, but then his doubts about Kellhus's holiness would always reassert themselves. view post


Logos is theft posted 12 January 2008 in The Warrior ProphetLogos is theft by Nerdanel, Peralogue

The shortest path through the forest will also lead you to thickets and over cliffs that you could avoid just by going around them, making the shortest path in many cases not the quickest one.

If you are mean to people and only use and discard them for your selfish ends you might have accomplished your current purpose the most effective way but made an enemy in the process, so that accomplishing future goals is harder. view post


Logos is theft posted 12 January 2008 in The Warrior ProphetLogos is theft by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Is someone who is a slave to themselves really a slave? I don't think so.

If you think reacting a predictable way is being slavery what would free will be? Acting randomly? If free will was acting randomly I wouldn't like to have free will. All rational actors are in some sense predictable, since only a small subset of all possible actions make sense.

The hypothetical self-moving soul would not be motivated by sensual pleasures, love, hate, custom, loyalty, curiosity, success, self-preservation... Unable of being moved by the world, it would be immobile, or else move according to patterns that have nothing at all to do with the world. As long as the self-moving soul still resided in the world, its movement might as well be random, since they would be extremely unlikely to be "sane" in the sense of contributing to its continual survival.

The self-moving soul means essentially solipsistic insanity, which is not a positive trait in the real world. view post


Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 15 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Inri Sejenus could heal blindness and I think he also did other miracles. I think Kellhus can't heal not because he's not a prophet but because he's a prophet of a different god, the sort of god who doesn't do healing. view post


A fortuitous correspondence of cause. posted 18 January 2008 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]A fortuitous correspondence of cause. by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think in the books what comes after isn't influencing what comes before. Rather, I think what comes way back is making sure that both happen. I think the No-God was inspiring Kellhus to utter that particular prophecy and then the No-God made sure that things occurred as per the plan.

It's a neat way to circumvent the troubles of time travel. Just "prophesy" something seemingly unlikely and then use your supernatural powers (that still have to obey the laws of cause and effect) to make the "prophecy" come to pass, thus convincing the lowly mortals with no such supernatural powers that you or your mouthpiece can really tell the future.

No time travel is needed when you subscribe to the view that the No-God is intelligent, evil, has a clue, and has been manipulating the entire plot. view post


A fortuitous correspondence of cause. posted 18 January 2008 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]A fortuitous correspondence of cause. by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Simple: the No-God isn't the only god with plans making "prophecies", or should I say promises. view post


Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 20 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think being able to heal would have been a great help to Kellhus. Healing would have been a great way to gather converts and convince the doubters that Kellhus was indeed just like Inri Sejenus. If he could heal, Kellhus would probably prevented himself being swamped by only healing the "worthy", where people could prove their worthiness by doing what Kellhus told them.

And by the way, I think Achamian breaking with Kellhus was definitely not what Kellhus wanted. All it accomplishes is to give him a powerful enemy with a brain who knows him too well for comfort. Sure, Kellhus's killability is at an all-time low and killing him is practically impossible even for one such as Achamian, but Achamian is still a bad enemy to have. view post


The Judging Eye posted 22 January 2008 in The Judging EyeThe Judging Eye by Nerdanel, Peralogue

The first thing I thought when I heard the name The Judging Eye was that there is going to be yet another thing in common with Kellhus and Sauron, to whom Kellhus already shows a certain resemblance... view post


The Judging Eye posted 24 January 2008 in The Judging EyeThe Judging Eye by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I think Kellhus is showing every indication of becoming a Dark Lord in the vein of Sauron.

Also, Sauron was a highly intelligent being who back in Númenor even had a good-looking body. He had some very Kellhus-like capabilities, which can be seen in how when he was brought to Númenor (home of his long-time enemies) as a prisoner he soon ran the entire place from behind the throne and had made the nation (save for a few holdouts) convert to a religion led by himself. It took direct divine intervention on a world-reshaping scale to get rid of him that time, and the entire Númenor got sunk with him.

Sauron could successfully take the diplomatic route when he needed to, but he preferred to rule by fear. He also was a fan of the Shortest Path.

Sauron had two eyes and a humanoid body (the floating eyeball in the LotR movies is not accurate to the books), but he was represented as an eye on banners and such and even referred that way in speech because of the way he kept everything under surveillance. He had many spies and informants, no need for sleep, and he was constantly using magical scrying. Kellhus will probably still need to sleep, but we'll see if his surveillance society goes far enough to justify the title of the book. view post


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