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Aspect-Emperor status posted 23 March 2007 in Author Q & AAspect-Emperor status by Mithfânion, Didact

In light of the news of a UK edition I contacted Penguin and Overlook to see if they had a date for the book as well. Now, this is odd.

Penguin say they do not have the rights to the Canadian edition of this book at all. This is very peculiar since this should obviously have been wrapped up ages ago. They tell me that I should contact Overlook, but they are a US publisher. Overlook then tells me that they will publish AE "sometime in 2008" which is not exactly heartening and does not lead one to think the book will bve out sooner than the UK edition.

It would be great if Scott could shed some light on all of this. Why is Penguin not doing the Canadian edition when they did such a great job with the trade paperbacks of the first trilogy? When will a Canadian edition come out and by who? view post

The Aspect-Emperor posted 26 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by Mithfânion, Didact

I don't have my copies of the series at the moment, but can anyone recall any hints or reasons given that Moenghus left the Dunyain in the first place? I'd appreciate it.

I assume you simply mean why Moenghus turned to the Chisaurim? This was explained in the books. Moenghus was ordered to scout for what was surrounding Ishual and coming too close to it. When he returned from his mission the Dunyain exiled him because in their vision, he ha dnow been contaminated by the outside world. Ultimately he ends up with the Cishaurim, clearly the wrong choice for him afterwards, and shows the ability to provoke dreams in the minds of other Dunyain, thousands of miles away, demanding the release of his son. view post

"Murderous Children" posted 28 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]"Murderous Children" by Mithfânion, Didact

It really seems the kids are becoming the focal point here. Moreso than the Consult.

It doesn't seem that way to me from the synopsis.

There'll be different POV chapaters again. We'll have a focus on Kellhus going North in a great war effort against the Consult. Esmenet will give us focus on the children. Achamian has his own POV again no doubt. There may well be more. Perhaps one of the children will have his or her own pov. We expect to see more of the Nonmen, though they will not have a POV according to Scott, we will see more of them in AE. I do believe we would also see Zeum.

As for the children, I am really looking forwrad to this. I think Kellhus will have more than one child by Esmenet in that twenty year period. It's possible that he will also father children on other women. view post

The Aspect-Emperor posted 29 June 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by Mithfânion, Didact

Just thought I'd let you guys know that the US publisher has scheduled The Great Ordeal for July/August 2008, so a good couple of months after the UK release. view post

Neuropath out in May 2008 posted 29 June 2007 in Author Q & ANeuropath out in May 2008 by Mithfânion, Didact

In the UK anyway, it will be published by Orion.

Synopsis here:

Tom's life is not what it once was. His marriage to the beautiful Nora is on the rocks and he now sees his two young children only on her say so. His best friend - and best man - Neil has moved away to California to teach neurology and he barely sees him. He has one successful book - on human psychology - but he now wiles away the time trying to teach bored grad students things that they are often not equipped to understand. But that all changes when Neil comes back into his life. For it seems that his best friend was no teacher - he was working for the US government, cracking the minds of suspected terrorists. But now it is Neil himself that has cracked and gone AWOL - what's more he has left behind evidence that he has been employing his unique skills on civilians - obsessed with the idea that he can control the human brain. Thus begins a terrifying sequence of events as Neil starts to kidnap and mutilate people with a connection to Tom. He damages their brains selectively and then releases them - often leaving them mad. But it is only when he gets near his ultimate target does he reveal the full horror of his plan...

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The Aspect-Emperor posted 17 August 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by Mithfânion, Didact

Bad news guys, publisher has put the release for The Great Ordeal back even further to August 7, 2008.

Major bummer. It would be nice if Scott would bother showing his face again and tell us what's up. view post

When? posted 07 February 2008 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]When? by Mithfânion, Didact

Pat at the Fantasy Hotlist is the only one who had any info on the new release. Apparantly it is expected very late 2008 ( possibly in the US by Overlook) or January in the UK ( 15 January is their current date on Amazon UK). view post

The metaphysics of Eärwa - some thoughts posted 09 November 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe metaphysics of Eärwa - some thoughts by Mithfânion, Didact


Many good points made. Very illuminating, and you make quite a good case for most of your beliefs.

11 Chorae are embedded in his Carapace (TT, Gl. 'No-God'). The idea that this would be to guard some creature of flesh against sorcery is rather absurd - after all, we know that Chorae only work when touching skin!

Would Chorae not also ward off a sorcerous attack on the No-God in his carapace? I took the chorea to be there for protective measures, to block any attacks even if by not being able to touch an assailant it doesn't outright kill them.

Some questions posted elsewhere that I'd like to see your take on as well, if you'd like.

1) If the No-God is warded off from outside intervention, how is he to know what the Consult desires from him?

2) How can the No-God change the shape of The Outside?

3) What do you make of the fact that the only known weapon to him any harm is The Heron Spear, which is in fact an Inchoroi weapon? The Heron Spear being an original Inchoroi and thus non-sorcerous weapon would explain why it can harm the No-God, since the chorae cannot protect him from that. view post

The metaphysics of Eärwa - some thoughts posted 16 November 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe metaphysics of Eärwa - some thoughts by Mithfânion, Didact


Since you've done such interesting essays here I thought I'd do a little in return. You may not have seen this.

First, here is the prologue for the Judging Eye which Bakker has given out, if you'd like to read it.

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Secondly here are two interviews with Bakker that I think you might find interesting, both are fairly recent:

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In one of these Bakker says:

Are there specific themes you wanted to explore in this second series?

Specifically, I’m interested in what it means to live in a world where value is objective - which is to say, to live in the kind of world our ancestors thought they lived in. Could you imagine, for instance, what it would mean to live in a world where, say, the social and spiritual inferiority of women was a fact like the atomic weight of uranium. Biblical Israel was such as world, as were many others.

We have a hardwired predisposition to &quot;naturalize&quot; our values, to think what we value things is the way things are - it’s one of many liabilities we can chalk up to our stone-age brains. This is why fantasy worlds are our doubles, our psychology writ in geographical stone, and so worth exploring in their own right.

Other than that, there’s a number of carry-over themes dealing with belief and faith as the levers of action.

This seems to lend support to your beliefs about there actually being a God and him being influences by what people believe.

Re; Mithfanion

Indeed, I am a big fan of Tolkien, particularly the Silmarillion and chose that name for it's Elvish sound. view post

*Spoilers* Favourite new character. posted 22 February 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Favourite new character. by Mithfânion, Didact

I'll go with Incariol. Massive character,very interesting indeed. Partly because of what he shows he can do, which leads to speculation about what else he could do given greater opponents, partly because of what he might reveal.

Mimara was well characterized I thought, but I didn't find her that interesting. Kelmomas is also interesting, but very young still and has lots of growing to do as a character as well. I'm not sure why Scott decided to make him this young though. Seems like if he is going to play a major role in this trilogy you'd expect him to be older, even for a talent such as him.

I agree that he seems more like his father than others. He is of The Few, which Kayutas is not for instance, and his other brother is insane. Serwa is hard to say sofar. Though it is intimated twice that Kellhus is inherently the most powerful of them all.

Sorweel is not that interesting as a character sofar, though as a POC he is very good because he is our only window on the Great Ordeal.

The Captain was intriguing throughout but I was disappointed by him in the whole Cil-Aujas section. view post

*Spoilers* The gods must be crazy posted 22 February 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* The gods must be crazy by Mithfânion, Didact

Damnation-shun, Cousin-sin. How-how? How-how-could-could-we-we-forget-get?&quot;
A sorrow flattens the glittering eyes. &quot;Not I. I have never forgotten ...&quot;

From which I take two things:

At one point, the Nonmen knew sorcerors (or slavers, it's not clear) were damned. They forgot, but the reality didn't change.
Cleric worked, or works, for the Consult.

I thought this was explained by Mimara. The damnation of the Nonmen in Cil-Aujas happened because of thousands of years of breeding, using and torturing the Emwama, the first Men. They were literally damned because of this, which is why the bowels of Cil-Aujas have become a hell, a topos, a place where the fringes between Earwa and the Outside have been ripped apart, or at least very thin. view post

Spoiler: Kelmonas' Voice posted 22 February 2009 in The Judging EyeSpoiler: Kelmonas' Voice by Mithfânion, Didact

I thought the Strength was a referring to the inherent power of Kellhus, Kelmomas etc. Kellhus is the root of power and Kelmomas but a branch of it. He is inherently powerful, but no one is to the extent that his father is. According to the voice.

As for who the voice is:

1) At one time when Kelmomas kills Samarmas, it asks why did you not kill me earlier. Suggestion 1 is Samarmas.

2) The second suggestion would be that it is one of the Inchoroi. The voice sounds very similar to the Synthese of the first trilogy. Somehow it manages to speak to Kellhus' son.

3) Kelmomas is a skin spy. Yes, a construct actually born of Esmenet, but still a skin spy. In corroboartion of this I made a link between Kelmomas killing Sharacinth and Maithanet consequently saying this might well have been the work of a skin spy. Maithanet never says things lightly, and usually he is correct. This is not proof of course that Kelmomas is a new sort of skin spy, but he might be.

What's also remarakble is that he is said to have very good senses. He knows more, sees more, and especially smells far better than people. I thought these sort of advanced abilities were part and parcel for Skin Spies as well. All in all it would not surprise me Kelmomas is the Consult's ace in the hole.

4) Kelmomas is something else. There is something very curious about how and Samarmas were locked in an uninterrupted 3 year battle of wills where they kept staring at each other. This was explained, but the mental bond between the two was far stronger than what you normally see with twins. Why? What's the deal there.

Clearly Kelmomas could be any number of these things, and that applies to the voice. All 4 options seem plausible. view post

Kellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- posted 22 February 2009 in The Judging EyeKellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- by Mithfânion, Didact

I read this and thought it was apparent that Sorweel is the White Luck Warrior. There has to be a reason for why is portrayed as an important character, as a POV. Moreso, he is with the Great Ordeal and thus actually in the position of becoming the White Luck Warrior in book 2 and confronting the Anasurimbor. Also, he is still doubtful of Kellhus even when others have long since fallen under his sway. Finally, he has been blessed by Yatwer herself, which seems to at least mean Kellhus canot read him ( though of course we do not know this, Kellhus might as well have pretended he could not see his true feelings, as Sorweel speculated himself). I think for story purposes though we may assume that Yatwer's blessing did really disguise his true emotion from Kellhus. However that is but a small step towards actual opposition to Kellhus, or even the unthinkabkle, a defeat of him. It would give him an edge, certainly.

Will be interesting to see that play out in book 2. The only thing that makes me unsure it is Sorweel is what went before, the vague sections about a White Luck Warrior being born somewhere, the strange ritual with Psatma etc. I didn't get what that was all about, and Sorweel just seems like a far more plausible set-up as the White Luck. We already know him now, he has been establised as a character, and at the end we find out he is Yatwer's. view post

Consensus so far? posted 22 February 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Mithfânion, Didact

I thought it was very good, really enjoyed reading it, but I agree with the idea that this feels short, does not stand alone in any way and feels as it might have some more meat to it's bones. What is written is really good, but it feels a lot like starters in a restaurant. view post

Kellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- posted 24 February 2009 in The Judging EyeKellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- by Mithfânion, Didact

As far as the White Luck warrior is concerned it seems that this individual will plague Esmenet and not Kellhus, i.e. the White Luck warrior is an insurgent of the Three-Seas

I don't think this has been clearly indicated, if at all. The Yatwer cult is something Esmenet will have to deal with yes, but the White Luck Warrior himself might well be an opponent for Kellhus. The White Luck Warrior may be a direct threat to Esmenet as well, but Sorweel seems to be a really good choice for the WLW and he is in Kellhus' vicinity. If it's not Sorweel, basiclaly no one has any good guess at all as to who it might be, and it would be strange for such a major character to suddenly be introduced in book 2 IMO. view post

*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 26 February 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Mithfânion, Didact

The glossary of TTT makes mention of one Nin-Ciljiras. He is listed as &quot;the last surviving King&quot; yet in an entry close to it we also learn that Nin-Gilgiccas, Nonman King of Ishterebinth, is still alive. He was the one who was King there even during the First Apocalypse, and aided Celmomas in his Great Ordeal.

We have never heard of this Nin-Ciljiras. He's not the dead king of Cil-Aujas that we meet, that ghost is given a different name. So perhaps there is a reason Nin-Ciljiras is listed in the TTT glossary. Incariol refers to the dead Cil-Aujas king as his cousin. This could be cousin as in &quot;fellow Nonman&quot; or as in &quot;fellow King&quot;. view post

Kellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- posted 26 February 2009 in The Judging EyeKellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- by Mithfânion, Didact

Re-reading it, I think I now agree Sorweel is probably yet another manifestation of Yatwer's influence, possibly a pawn, instead of the actual White Luck Warrior, who is probably the person Psatma does the ritual with. view post

Small things in TJE that you liked posted 26 February 2009 in The Judging EyeSmall things in TJE that you liked by Mithfânion, Didact

I thought TJE was a great book, the only downside of which was IMO that the plot progression in some areas was well below what I had expected for this 1st book and that the book is the shortest Bakker has written sofar, and that somne characters were expected to get a lot more screentime. On the other hand he did mention books 2 and 3 would each be longer than the one before in an interview with Pat.

One of the things that I noticed in this book were little things that I enjoyed. Stuff that I hadn't thought about before.

I'll name a few:

* Maithanet. Somehow he seemed a much more sympathetic and honest character to me this time through. The descriptions of him continue to be of one very powerful individual, strong in physique, youthful and with an overwhelming voice. Bit of a shame we saw little of him as the story went on but anyway, I was really interested in him in this book. He seems to become a sort of hero to Esmenet, and she will need him if the Yatwer Cult becomes stronger, plus he is the one who suspects Kelmomas' true nature.

* I believe it was in an interview where Bakker described what a world in which values are objective would be like, and what if the world actually conformed to beliefs and events. In this regard, we see in the PoN trilogy how the the Earth at the Mengedda plains literally throws up the bones of the slaughtered there because the massacre was too great to contain. I thought we saw another example of this in PoN, twice in fact. One is when Kellhus has translocated to Momemn and we are told that in his anger the surroundings seemed to literally darken and become shadowy. Now, this may just have been a trick of magic on Kellhus part, but maybe not. But the second example is at the start of the book when there is a description of the Sun literally accompanying Kellhus and the Great Ordeal. There is talk about how the North is so bleak and cold, and that the Sun is literally folowing Kellhus' path wherever he went. I thought that was a nice touch.

* I loved the little statements Incariol made before the statue of Cujara Cinmoi. First he refers to Cujara as the one whose hand &quot;hath slain thousands&quot; and then he says&quot; he whose voice hath cracked mountains!&quot;. I thought that was just this very cool image, the immense majesty of the greatest Nonman ever, speaking words of sorcery and in doing so literally cracking mountains. Awesome.

Anyone else have little stuff that you remarked upon which you enjoyed? view post

Kellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- posted 03 March 2009 in The Judging EyeKellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- by Mithfânion, Didact

The idea is that the man she has sex with with and to whom she diverts her experience, which ages him and makes him stronger, is The White Luck Warrior. You see him age, get stronger, this must the man of Scylvendi heritage and young father who we learn about. view post

Dunyain machinations posted 04 March 2009 in The Judging EyeDunyain machinations by Mithfânion, Didact


It's entirely conceivable that the Dunyain play no further part in the novels

I don't think that's likely at all, given the current plotlines. Before we might just have speculated that Aspect Emperor and the books afterward would perhaps reveal to us in full, the Dunyain. Now that we have seen TJE, we know that we will most likley meet them.


Who is making the decisions for the Dunyain (or who is in control, leading, or dominating them)? How is having Kellhus running around in Earwa any less dangerous to their seclusion than it was when Moenghus was alive?

You seem to forget that the Dunyain did not send Kellhus out of their own volition. Moenghus plagued them with his dreams. This led the Dunyain, who as you may recall are unfamiliar with sorcery, to kill themselves and send out his son, Kellhus, so that Moenghus would stop harrassing them. This does not imply a master plan on their part. Their hand was forced. view post

Is Kellus insane or not posted 04 March 2009 in The Judging EyeIs Kellus insane or not by Mithfânion, Didact

WIll has the right of it I think, insofar as one can be right, one can only theorize for now.

Kellhus clearly has had loads of time to ponder. That's an eternity to a mind such as his. I think his ultimate goal is exactly as he says it is, the defeat of the Consult, prevention of the Sec. Apocalypse. But he may have more goals we don't know about.

I don't think he's mad. But then I read the What ccame before secition and did read that part about him going mad. He doesn't come across mad in the slightest to me, rather extremely rational and in control. I like Will's explanation for what &quot;he went mad&quot; actually means. view post


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