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Most cruel act yet? posted 18 August 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMost cruel act yet? by Mithfânion, Didact

For me it's definilty the treatment of Xunnurit, elected King of Tribes of the Scylvendi. The way he is handled by Conphas and the Emperor is beyond simple cruelty and malice. Sure, he was an asshole to Cnaiur before the battle but even he didn't deserve this. Heavy chains about his neck, wrist as well as the feet, his eyes stabbed out, totally naked and in addition to that, deliberately malnourished so that he would also come to look as an emcciated skeleton. Rarely have I seen a description of a man so degraded (reminiscent of German war camps).

Did anyone think there were surpassing acts? view post


Should Kellhus learn the Gnosis? posted 19 August 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtShould Kellhus learn the Gnosis? by Mithfânion, Didact

I see it as follows:

The great danger of Kellhus learning the Gnosis and the primary reason for why he shouldn't do it, is indeed because it makes him far more vulnerable than he is right now. Given his gifts and abilities, you'd expect someone to be secure as he is. However.......


Learning the Gnosis will become a necessity if Kellhus is in fact the one who will be largely responsible for taking on the Consult, Inchoroi and Mog Pharau included. There comes a point when simply being Dunyian will not suffice. As Achamian says, if Kellhus were to learn the Gnosis, with his intellect he would be "more than Seswatha" arguably the greatest of the Mandati. If the No God etc were not on the scene, then Kellhus might be better off leaving sorcery for what it is...

I'm sure the people of the Three Seas would come to see the value of the sorcerors when The Second Apocalypse manifests itself.

Yet even then, Kellhus would still be vulnerable to chorae, very vulnerable. I don't think this is something that is even remotely acceptable to Kellhus, so I think we can expect him to work around that, in ways yet to be revealed. view post


Cnaiur's prowess posted 21 August 2005 in Author Q & ACnaiur's prowess by Mithfânion, Didact

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As for the Nonmen description, I don't recall any mention of its face.

There is a description actually, that being the one in which Achamian recalls Mekeritrig's face as "inhumanly beautiful". It's in TWP. view post


TTT cover posted 22 August 2005 in Author Q & ATTT cover by Mithfânion, Didact

I'd say so yes. view post


Character heights in Earwa posted 22 August 2005 in Author Q & ACharacter heights in Earwa by Mithfânion, Didact

Late addition, Scott, how tall would you say Maithanet is? What about Saubon? view post


Worldhorn & Heron Spear posted 26 August 2005 in Author Q & AWorldhorn & Heron Spear by Mithfânion, Didact

Scott,

Whilst reading TWP, two ancient artifacts really came to the fore, those being the Heron Spear, which somehow doomed Mog Pharau himself, and the Worldhorn, which was sounded by Nymeric, who you have said was an Anasurimbor King of the Aorsi (a people described as the great bulwark of the North). This raises the following questions:

1. Achamian mentions that the Heron Spear is lost, destroyed even in the sacking of Cenei by the Scylvendi barbarians. Is this a fact, or a belief?

2. What did the Heron Spear look like? Like your average spear, wood with an iron tip?

3. Nymeric sounds the Worldhorn over and over again. What powers does the Worldhorn have, how is it different from other horns and also, what does it look like, compared to other horns?

3. The mention of several Anasurimbors in the past prompts me to ask whether, at the present ( Prince of Nothing timeline), there are more Anasurimbors than the two living ones on the books....

Kellhus doesn't seem to think there are. view post


Moenghus and Skiotha (and more) posted 28 August 2005 in Author Q & AMoenghus and Skiotha (and more) by Mithfânion, Didact

Scott, will it be revealed in TTT how Moenghus actually killed Skiotha? If not, may I ask, it is only mentioned that Skiotha lay slumped before him in the cold mud, and that Moenghus was known as the one who spoke "the killing words". Was that meant in a very general sense or did he actually pronounce something that killed Skiotha (like a curse). Or did he kill him in single combat?

I also have one further question: At the end of TWP we see Nonmen who lead the Sranc, but then defer to the Inchoroi. Why is it that they defer to him, being Nonmen? As I understood it, Nonmen were not the lessers of Inchoroi, in fact one would think it's the other way around. Does it have to do with the fact that the the Inchoroi is simply chief among the servants of the No-God and thus they defer to him in principle or is he simply a greater power than them?

It's also mentioned that they have "shining scalps". Are all Nonmen bald? view post


Your less favourite characters posted 29 August 2005 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeYour less favourite characters by Mithfânion, Didact

Conphas and Xerius top my list. Proyas leaves me cold. Haven't seen enough of Maithanet or Mallahet to judge them as characters, tehya re certainly intriguing. view post


sranc posted 29 August 2005 in The Darkness That Comes Beforesranc by Mithfânion, Didact

I think what differentiates Sranc from Tolkien's Orcs is that your average Sranc appears to be more than a match for your average Man, whereas Orcs were usually somewhat inferior to the Men of Middle-earth.

Certainly a lethal foe because of their numbers. And very very fast. If you can't even outrun them on horses, as is mentioned in the books, well that's just scary. view post


livin n dyin in TTT posted 29 August 2005 in The Thousandfold Thoughtlivin n dyin in TTT by Mithfânion, Didact

On the matter of Iyokus, I got the distinct impression that he was dead as a doornail in TWP, killed by Achamian. Achamian battles the Ciphrang, sees Iyokus and then releases a thousands lights. I took that to be the end of Iyokus. view post


Most cruel act yet? posted 30 August 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMost cruel act yet? by Mithfânion, Didact

Yes and then theer's the added resentment of a lifetime long being scoffed at by your clansmen. Faggot weeper. Nice. view post


Cnaiur and Serwe posted 30 August 2005 in The Warrior ProphetCnaiur and Serwe by Mithfânion, Didact

Still not wholly sure why he was that fond of her myself... view post


question about achamian? posted 30 August 2005 in The Warrior Prophetquestion about achamian? by Mithfânion, Didact

I thoought that whether that was telepathy was left ambiguous - we could also assume Kelhus is hallucinating and that Akka is out of his mind with emotion over Esmi.

Well it does appear tp be telepathic. It's possible that it derives from the state Kellhus was in but nevertheless, he as a clear communication with Achamian but remember, he also has one with Cnaiur.

Personally I think he will be taught the Gnosis, and I hope it happens as well. Should be very interesting indeed. view post


Cnaiur and Serwe posted 31 August 2005 in The Warrior ProphetCnaiur and Serwe by Mithfânion, Didact

Well of course he doesn't need a reason, it was more along the lines of whether he was really in love with her, or was she only a substitute, a means to an end. view post


A brief history of Earwa? posted 31 August 2005 in The Warrior ProphetA brief history of Earwa? by Mithfânion, Didact

Things that don't fit: Nonmen - which side did they fight on in the First Apocalypse? Did they fight on both sides?


In short, yes.

Scott has explained that the Nonmen fought both for the No-God and against him. They are somewhat ambiguous in this respect unlike Tolkien's Eldar, whom they be might be loosely modelled on.

The Inchoroi's role in the First Apocalypse is unknown. Obviously they were decimated a long time before the Apocalypse, though a few may have survived, now ending with the two princes we have met sofar. Those present would undoubtedly have fought with the Consult.

The position of the Inchoroi within the Consult is something I would really like Scott to shed some light on, as well as who the members of the Consult are (outside of the low ranked Skin spies that we have seen sofar), which is why I have asked both these questions in the Q&A forum.

AS WL says, one would expect them to be high ranked, perhaps even the top members.

What interested me was why the Nonmen (Erratics presumably) deferred to the Inchoroi at the end of TWP. view post


The No-God posted 31 August 2005 in The Warrior ProphetThe No-God by Mithfânion, Didact

I still have no real idea what the No God is. How did he arise in the first place? What sort of being is he? Did the Inchoroi create him and did The Great Ruiner only become their master afterwards, or was he ever their master?

Achamian mentions that the renewed use of the Tekne indicates the nearnness of his return. So that is what is being used now, but was the Tekne used to bring him about in the beginning as well, or are they only doing that because they had salvaged his remains back at the Plains of Mengedda (which Akka confirms) at the end of the First Apocalypse. view post


consult v. cishaurim posted 31 August 2005 in The Warrior Prophetconsult v. cishaurim by Mithfânion, Didact

The answer is that we don't know why they are after the Cishaurim rather than the other Schools and nations. They do not know what Dunyain are so they don't know that Moenghus is there, though they may have noticed that their prime enemy resides there, it's just that hid identity has remained unrevealed.

Additionally it has been suggested by another poster that Shimeh's fall will somehow be literally instrumental to the rise of the No-God and Golgotterath. Perhaps it works as some sort of Bulwark against it's rising, suggesting that it may be truly a Holy City.... view post


consult v. cishaurim posted 01 September 2005 in The Warrior Prophetconsult v. cishaurim by Mithfânion, Didact

It could be that Shimeh won't actually fall yet in TTT, but only later...

I find the whole idea of Shimeh being connected to teh rise of Golgotterath and Mog Pharau intriguing, but there's little evidence for it. It would explain why the Consult is so eager to see the Holy War succesful outside of the conventional explanation which is that the Consult want to take out the Cishaurim. view post


A brief history of Earwa? posted 01 September 2005 in The Warrior ProphetA brief history of Earwa? by Mithfânion, Didact

So to say that the "Nonmen" fought on the side of the Consult is wrong, because they never did so in any significant numbers.


This is quibbling about semantics.

A) It is specifically not wrong, because we know that Nonmen fought for the No-God. Now, how you yourself choose to qualify and categorize that is your own business, I'm just stating what is clear and presently mentioned in the books and on this board.

B) Whether or not the Nonmen fought for the No-God in insignifcant numbers is something you don't know. It's just your speculation. Since neither you nor anyone else knows the numbers of the Nonmen population as a whole , we can't say how big a percentage of the Nonmen fought for the Consult.

What we know is that there were Nonmen who fought for and against the No God. This is mentioned in the books. Even if it is just a small percentage, the statement that the Nonmen are an ambiguous people who have fought for and against Mog Pharau remains as correct as can be, doesn't it?

In the same way we can say that Men fought both for and against the No-God.

Furthermore, you say that

There is a post by Scott where he clearly says that the Erratics number perhaps a few thousands, and that they have always served the Consult.

Which is not correct. What Scott said was that there are "a few hundred" Nonmen that serve the Consult.

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Serious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... posted 01 September 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSerious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... by Mithfânion, Didact

Good call Anor on catching that little quote from Achamian which say that the Holy War not so much failed as was transformed. This is but one of the reasons why it seems clear that with Kellhus taking the lead among the Inrtith and with Moenghus taking (or already being in) the lead of the Fanim, they will take over it's direction. Of course, how this plays out, what their aims are (or even if the aims of Kellhus and Moenghus coincide) remains to be seen. As does whether or not people like Conphas and Proyas will be seduced as well, and how the Emperor will react.

As for the identity of Mallahet en Maithanet.

Mallahet simply has to have some sort of tie to Moenghus. But I don't think that Moenghus still is Mallahet, or even if he ever was. In general I am terribly curious about what Moenghus will look like.

Maithanet: I doubt he is either Moenghus or, as I initially thought, a skin spy. His agenda is not clear and it may be that he is in league with Moenghus. view post


The Destruction of the Dunyain posted 01 September 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Destruction of the Dunyain by Mithfânion, Didact

I think the idea of The Dunyain siding with anyone from the outside world needs to be revised. They live in total isolation and to do so is one of their main goals. Just the fact that someone from the outside contacts them through dreams is enough to take their life. I do not see a scenario in which Kellhus has access to various Dunyain to sniff out skin spies all over the place, because that is not what they do. If they are to ally with anyone, may that be Kellhus, the Cunuroi or simply the Men of the North, their very nature and beliefs would have to change completely.

BTW I think Scott mentioned something about female Dunyain and whether we might see them in Aspect Emperor. view post


Cnaiur and Serwe posted 01 September 2005 in The Warrior ProphetCnaiur and Serwe by Mithfânion, Didact

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The Destruction of the Dunyain posted 01 September 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Destruction of the Dunyain by Mithfânion, Didact

It's possible, but it would require the Dunyain to change, as I said in my previous post, to completely alter their ideas about how to live. Their principle is to live in utmost seclusion, to not be tainted in any way. As I see it, if the Dunyain are willing to slay themselves because someone interfered with their purity by sending them dreams, they're likely to react similarly suicidal when an invasion force comes along that manages to overcome them. view post


A brief history of Earwa? posted 02 September 2005 in The Warrior ProphetA brief history of Earwa? by Mithfânion, Didact

WL,

Murrin has explained my post to you as good as can be done.

I do however refute your argument that I am merely speculating, like you are when you say that the Nonmen only fought for Mog Pharau in insignificant numbers. Since you don't know how many Nonmen there are in total, you can't say anything about the percentage of Erratics and other Cunuroi that serve No-God. Maybe they form a significant part of the whole Nonmen population. Maybe not. One would hope not anyway.


Well, I have been saying more or less the same thing from the very beginning, but still he had something to say against that, telling me I was quibbling with semantics. So I'm still waiting for him to tell me what he did mean.

All of this stems from you misunderstanding my post.

When I say the Nonmen fought for and against the No-God, I am stating a fact. I never said that All the Nonmen fought for and against the No-God so there is no need to attach that. You did, however,attach that in your mind when reading my post, and thus want to qualify that. But since I never meant the Nonmen as a whole in the first place, and also didn't specifically state that, I don't need to qualify anything.

And in this same light my statement that the Nonmen can be seen as an ambiguous people is perfectly correct. There are those Nonmen that choose to fight for the Consult, and others who oppose them.

And the same applies to the race of Men, who have members serving Mog Pharau and members who oppose him. view post


A brief history of Earwa? posted 02 September 2005 in The Warrior ProphetA brief history of Earwa? by Mithfânion, Didact

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It's somewhat curious to see how this goes. I make a post with a simple statement of fact. You come in, authoritatively state that we need to make "a few qualifications" when really, we don't, and I reply to that. You then start to speculate about whether or not the Nonmen who serve under the Consult are an insignifcant number but when I point out that it is just that, you're ruffled and claim that the presented facts are also just speculation. Now, in my latest post I give you another explanation of what was meant, and rather than admit that you've simply misread or misunderstood my post you basically claim that I am taking the moral high ground.

I hope we can resurrect this thread in a few months or whenever, to see who was right and who was wrong.


We don't need to wait for the future White Lord, since we already know that the Nonmen fought both for and against the No-God. That's the way it goes with facts rather than poster's opinions and speculations, which may need to be revised.

BTW

The gist of those posts would tend to confirm my own speculation however. No mention of Nonmen, just Erratics, as Consult servants.

There is no need to make this peculiar self-made distinction. Erratics are Nonmen, Nonmen gone bad. view post


A brief history of Earwa? posted 02 September 2005 in The Warrior ProphetA brief history of Earwa? by Mithfânion, Didact

I'm not sidestepping your questions WL, there's no need to nor do I desire that. You've misinterpreted my post, I've explained what I meant and any discussion following from that misinterpretation is useless.



What the overall desires and interests are is not really known at this point. Do they still harbour resentment towards Mankind for previous slaughter? Exactly how diminished are they? In any case, it seems to me that the majority of the Nonmen will yet side with the forces of "Light".

Which takes nothing away from the fact that as a people, they are ambiguous in their attitude. Some choose the way of the Consult, some (the majority) don't.

Hope that helps.


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The Destruction of the Dunyain posted 06 September 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Destruction of the Dunyain by Mithfânion, Didact

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Again, speculation. What the Dunyain's mission seems to be is Logos related. If they feel their goal would be achieved best by killing themselves than they look like they'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Nonmen who and what are they? posted 06 September 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNonmen who and what are they? by Mithfânion, Didact

That would be lame, wouldn't it?

I think it's a much cooler idea to think of them as native to Earwa, the most powerful people fighting against the alien Inchoroi. view post


The Destruction of the Dunyain posted 06 September 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Destruction of the Dunyain by Mithfânion, Didact

White Lord,

I feel the same way; I've tired of discussions with you as well. Your below the belt remarks and insinuations that I continue to ignore your oh so relevant observations are a major irritant.

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Twayleph,

They could flee, again, but somehow that strikes me as unlikely. And there's the added fact that this time around, two of their greatest prodigies are in the outisde world. I can't help but think either of them might want to involve the Dunyain in some way. And for another matter, should either Kellhus or Moenghus fall into the hands of the Consult, they might be forced to betray the Dunyain and thus draw them in. view post


Nonmen who and what are they? posted 07 September 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNonmen who and what are they? by Mithfânion, Didact

WL: I'm not saying I'm 100% on board with the concept...I'm just saying that it is a possibility.

AS WL says, it's not even that. We know they are organic, they reproduce, had original lifespans of about 400 years etc. view post


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