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Mithfânion Didact | joined 01 February 2004 | 261 posts


Earwa Related babble... posted 03 February 2005 in Author Q & AEarwa Related babble... by Mithfânion, Didact

Yes.

I think that what they complain about is a combination of these things. There are some who genuinely can't identify with the main characters. Then there's the fact that there's a lot of ambiguity, which leads to uncertainty about what people in the story are upto and whether or not they're worthy of the readers's "support". The story also isn't as straightforward as usual, this may confuse readers doubly so. They might normally simply fall back on rooting for the main hero, which in this case some simply can't do. view post


Earwa Related babble... posted 04 February 2005 in Author Q & AEarwa Related babble... by Mithfânion, Didact

. I want my characters to be out and out troubling, whereas - and I in no mean this as a criticism - Martin wants his characters to be 'gritty.'

This seems right to me. It's the fact that they are so troubling that makes them so intriguing to me. For what it's worth, Kellhus is one of the best characters I've ever read about, he's fascinating and I really do root for him.

More generally, I've been thinking about Martin with regards to this question as well. The difference between his characters and mine, I think, is that he tries to make his characters - even the brutes like Sandor - likeable

There are some exceptions to this (think Gregor, Amory Lorch, Ramsay, Roose, The Goat and some others) but mostly it's true. He wants to have a story behind the bad guy, show a different perspective, making things ambiguous. Sandor is an example, so is Jaime. First we see him murdering a child and see him overall portrayed as a vicious villain and enemy of the Starks, and then suddenly we get his POV. Personally he's nowhere near redemption for me, but some fans have done a complete turnaround where Jaime is concerned. view post


Another Maithanet Theory (possible spoiler) posted 06 February 2005 in The Warrior ProphetAnother Maithanet Theory (possible spoiler) by Mithfânion, Didact

And Moenghus is a VERY cunning and VERY powerful sorcerer

We know this because? view post


Character heights in Earwa posted 06 February 2005 in Author Q & ACharacter heights in Earwa by Mithfânion, Didact

Funny that all of the Orcs in Jackson's adaptation of the LoTR had these strong English accents btw, I wonder if he was hammering home a point <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Character heights in Earwa posted 07 February 2005 in Author Q &amp; ACharacter heights in Earwa by Mithfânion, Didact

Scott, now Aldarion makes me curious. Exactly how tall are you yourself?

Ilana

and yet tall people earn higher pay and have better jobs than short people

Is that so? Apparently I've been missing out again <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Moenghus as Harbinger posted 16 February 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMoenghus as Harbinger by Mithfânion, Didact

I don't agree with the point about Kellus' son being of great importance with respect to the prophecy or the victory over the consult - kellus is only 40 something

33 actually. view post


Stephen Erikson's Books posted 17 February 2005 in Literature DiscussionStephen Erikson's Books by Mithfânion, Didact

Faelin,

I wouldn't recommend ever trying Gardens again. It's simply not a very good book as far as I'm concerned. The following books are simply quite a bit better.

That saif, I share quite a few of your quibbles about Erikson, if not as many, and if you bounced off as hard as you did I wouldn't recommend going through. view post


Moenghus as Harbinger posted 17 February 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMoenghus as Harbinger by Mithfânion, Didact

Yep, and I doubt that's a coincidence. view post


Stephen Erikson's Books posted 19 February 2005 in Literature DiscussionStephen Erikson's Books by Mithfânion, Didact

WL,

Off-topic a bit, but what *are* your favorites? I noticed you're very big on worldbuilding, as am I, so maybe I can pick up a recommendation or two. view post


Feast for Crows due this Summer posted 19 February 2005 in Literature DiscussionFeast for Crows due this Summer by Mithfânion, Didact

According to GRRM at the Boskone Convention that he's currently attending. YES! view post


Feast for Crows due this Summer posted 20 February 2005 in Literature DiscussionFeast for Crows due this Summer by Mithfânion, Didact

There's already one conflicting report that has come in in which the poster says that Martin had no idea when it will be finished. In other words, a total opposite of a Summer release.

Most irritating. view post


so what is Scott Bakker reading? posted 21 February 2005 in Author Q &amp; Aso what is Scott Bakker reading? by Mithfânion, Didact

Scott,

What's the Cheever collection called? It sounds interesting to me but he has quite a few books.. view post


Appendices posted 21 February 2005 in Author Q &amp; AAppendices by Mithfânion, Didact

Some of that does seem to refer to the upcoming appendices to TTT Malt, which will be huge (think appendices to Return of the King). Otherwise I don't know what info is in the Canadian editions that I have that isn't in the UK copies since I don't own one. view post


Stephen Erikson's Books posted 22 February 2005 in Literature DiscussionStephen Erikson's Books by Mithfânion, Didact

WL,

I'll give you my greatest favorites but this has to do wit more than worldbuilding; I'm very big on plotting and characterization as well.

I'd recommend Tolkien and Martin right off the bat, but you've already covered those. I'd go to Robin Hobb then, because her characterization is superb. Farseer and Tawny Man are on the level of Martin's ASOIAF for me, though much smaller in scale. Guy Gavriel Kay has written some excellent books, The Fionavar Tapestry as a Fantasy (with some big worldbuilding, mixing Tolkienesque elemenets with Celtic and Arthurian elements), and his historical novels like Song for Arbonne, Tigana,Lions of Al-Rassan and Last Light of the Sun. There's Tad Williams, who is a major worldbuilder, he has a new saga out, called Shadowmarch (one book only sofar) and of course his legendary epic Fantasy Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. This has a huge cast of characters, various races, detailed descriptions of cities, landscape, cultures etc.

Other than that, Greg Keyes (Kingdoms of Thorne and Bone), Juliet Marillier (Bridei Chronicles), Gene Wolfe (The Wizardknight), JV Jones (Sword of Shadows), Robert Holdstock (Mythago Wood) and some others in my top 20. view post


Say it ain't so, Joe. (TTT cancelled?!?) posted 22 February 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSay it ain't so, Joe. (TTT cancelled?!?) by Mithfânion, Didact

It's to be published in October according to Scott himself. I assume you had an order out for the initial release date? view post


so what is Scott Bakker reading? posted 24 February 2005 in Author Q &amp; Aso what is Scott Bakker reading? by Mithfânion, Didact

Scott,

Ah, the big 700 page one. I might give that a try, though having read what it's about it sounds perhaps just a bit too mundane for my taste.

Ilana,

Erikson's second book certainly is much better than the first, which I thought was really nothing above average. Book III is usually regarded as his best work.

Scott, have you read all of Erikson's Malazan books? There are 5 now. view post


Feast for Crows due this Summer posted 24 February 2005 in Literature DiscussionFeast for Crows due this Summer by Mithfânion, Didact

Actually it can make a Summer release date. It's only February. If he finishes it in March, which he's likely to do, it can be released in for instance September (which is still Summer). The publisher's will be eager to publish it , especially the UK publisher who wants to steal sales from US buyers from the US publisher.

Aside from that, the book is already partially edited by Martin and his editor(s) because he was already sending parts of the manuscript months ago. view post


A few questions . . . posted 01 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by Mithfânion, Didact

This is interesting because from what you said of the Quya they are a caste, so one would expect that anyone born into this caste could work sorcery, so it implies a genetic basis, but still . . . Also are the Siqu a branch of the Quya or an unrelated caste?

Both questions seconded! view post


A few questions . . . posted 05 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by Mithfânion, Didact

White Lord,

You may know this already, but just in case, TTT will be released in October.

Scott, I was wondering, isn't it about time the Princeofnothing.com website is updated with info about TTT? I don't know if you do this yourself, perhaps someone maintains and edits it for you. view post


A few questions . . . posted 06 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by Mithfânion, Didact

Martin has said he expects it to be published in the Summer, which might be September. So it would come out around the same time as TTT, which would be phenomenal. Still, it's not definitive yet. view post


A few questions . . . posted 06 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by Mithfânion, Didact

Wait a sec. Are you saying that TTT will be delayed yet again? How can that possibly be?

It was already scheduled for an June 2005 release. Then it was pushed back because Penguin wanted to give you and themselves more time so that they didn't have to "crash" the book and that they would have plenty of time to edit, which is why it was delayed until October 2005. You yourself have said all along that TTT was coming along superbly...... yet now it'll be delayed again? That would be so tremendously disappointing.

Why would stiff competition be relevant anyway? They don't even know that Martin's book will come out about that time and besides, they're a Canadian publisher. The US release of TTT isn't due yet for quite a while and that's where the competiton would be.

I don't get it. What is to be gained for Penguin? I could see why they delayed it from June till October but now yet another delay? That's just insane. They don't seem to give a toss about their readers at all. Do they even care about the many people anxiously awaiting this book? Apparently not.

Man, talk about bad news and seemingly endless delays. All this time looking forward to finally getting TTT and then finding out the publisher wants to delay the book again. This is infuriating. view post


A few questions . . . posted 06 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by Mithfânion, Didact

BTW something else that I find very strange about this reasoning. Normally authors go on book tours to promote their new book. Wouldn't it actually be handy if the new book came out at that time, to promote it?

It seems reverse thinking to me , and contrary to what is common in the publsihing business, to have an author go on another book tour and then delay the to be promoted book. Normally these things coincide.

Maybe there is something we can do, the fans can launch an e-mail/letter campain to Penguin to politely tell them how they feel. view post


A few questions . . . posted 06 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by Mithfânion, Didact

Overall, it's not.

However if you're a fan who's waiting, and who continually gets to focus on a date, which is then delayed, and then delayed again, that's about as disappointed as you're about to get as far as these things go.

Delaying it a few months puts it next to Erikson's Bonehunters, who *is * a big name and sells a book that would definitly be lumped in the same category.

But about the galleys, I can understand that. It's true that you need a couple of months to let ARC's go out to various reviewers, to get the necessary buzz. But October is stil very far off, wouldn't there be shiploads of time to still do that? If the galleys go out in June, July or even August, that would be more than enough time wouldn't it? Surely this doesn't require another delay. Unless of course TTT won't be finished by that time.

Isn't all of this also a lot to do with wanting the release dates to be the same in Canada, the US and the UK? Because it sounds a lot like it. It's why people suspect The Bonehunters was delayed as well, to allow the incredibly slow US market to catch up. The readers who got on the boat early now pay the price.

You'll have to forgive me Scott, I'm just very pissed off at the moment <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


A few questions . . . posted 06 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by Mithfânion, Didact

No need to at all. In the end what will be remembered is how good TTT is and not how long it took for it to be published. It's a real downer now but once you adjust to a new date it gives a new perspective. It doesn't help that TWP ends in such an exciting manner and you want TTT to follow that up asap.

Anyway, you think January 2006 is a likely new date then? That would leave us 10 months wait. Knowing that a date is set is always better than not knowing at all. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 12 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Mithfânion, Didact

Scott, Gyrehead posted this in the TTT forum but because I don't think you post there you may not have seen it. It was part of a small thread called "Scott's to-do list".

Gyrehead posted these excellent pointers which are worthwhile because they can be effective as well as very manageable because they don't require that much effort:

"Get a sample chapter posted as soon as possible and then make sure everyone from the heavy hitters in the rec.arts.written.sf newsgroup to the guys over at SFFworld all know about it.

Make sure to have a wellcrafted blurb to post on the various amazons when TTT is finally listed. Make sure it goes beyond the general to catch the fan who has read the first two books but stays broad enough to intrigue someone who has yet to take a look at any of the books. Include something unique from the various cover blurbs and listings that will draw people and have fans talking. This helps make sure that people don't wait for TTT to come ou in ppbk. Make them want it NOW and keep it that way.

Use this site to give out a little tidbit a week when the date is due. Like the wonderful blurb you gave from the glossary recently. Something that will keep the fans coming here to the site and get people talking.

The power of the internet, despite the lackadaisical apporach by most publishers, is still quite strong. On the Rec.arts.written.sf newsgroup alone, about 600 messages are posted daily and right now there are about three huge threads active that include your work being mentioned.

Not that you have anything else to do. But a little squeaking can sometimes get a lot more oil than you might think."


This rings really true to me and could do a great deal about buzz for TTT, whether it's a Canadian,uk or us release. The idea of a sample chapter on the site and then buzzing that around is very good, as is giving some though to a good (and not overly concise) blurb for TTT (you may already have done this).

I'm not sure myself if the third idea is quite so manageable (though it is good idea) because I don't really know what tidbits you could release. view post


Another Maithanet Theory (possible spoiler) posted 14 March 2005 in The Warrior ProphetAnother Maithanet Theory (possible spoiler) by Mithfânion, Didact

Cool thought. It will be very interesting to see if it happens like that. view post


Time for that very annoying question that many of us have posted 18 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; ATime for that very annoying question that many of us have by Mithfânion, Didact

Hi Scott,

Completion of the first draft is near, any thoughts on book length? TWP size (600 pages) , as you projected earlier, with about 2/3 of the book as actual story and 1/3 as appendices? view post


Character? posted 20 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; ACharacter? by Mithfânion, Didact

Scott has explained that he is a character of legend, a Nonman King. He will appear in the appendices to TTT, but probably not in the actual story. view post


A few questions . . . posted 06 April 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by Mithfânion, Didact

Interesting questions WL. I'm interetsed in any Souther Cunuroi info as well, and it would be very interesting to know if there is a coat of arms for the Anasurimbors and whether more than two are alive (actually Moenghus may not be alive either). view post


A few questions . . . posted 13 April 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by Mithfânion, Didact

Haven't we already seen one nonman physically described?

Well, I believe Scott has said that the Nonmen will find themselves described in TTT, but I wasn't going to say it because it would take the wind out WL's sails <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Unless I'm mistaken and Scott was talking about the Sranc, but I think he said the Nonmen will be described in TTT. This doesn't answer the question about the Inchoroi's appearance of course. view post


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