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Shell Peralogue | joined 16 September 2007 | 66 posts

What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 17 February 2008 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by Shell, Peralogue

Well, if Kellhus can take 6.3 billion people and turn us all into mindless pods, then he is truly all-powerful and frankly, not a very interesting character. view post

Kelhus vs ... posted 02 March 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

Heh, heh, the best way to watch 300 is turn the sound down and enjoy the view...but that is from a female perspective <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post

Kelhus vs ... posted 08 August 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

I asked the Karsa Orlong question back in Feb. I'd have to go with Karsa. He is a lot like Cnaiur but not so introspecitive as he doesn't give a fig what you think about him. Besides, he is ascended now, isn't he (I haven't read the most recent book yet)? view post

Esmi posted 26 September 2008 in The Warrior ProphetEsmi by Shell, Peralogue

I have to go with Avariel on this one, guys. I won't repeat my arguments since they are on this board already. &quot;Simpering&quot; and &quot;cow-like&quot; pretty much sum up my feelings about Serwe.

Being female myself, I struggle to decide whether Scott simply fell into the trap of portraying Esmi as weakminded and manipulated into worshipping Kellhus in his godliness (and genitalia), or if he is being true to times where it would make absolute sense that a woman with no standing and social position would naturally pick the man that would offer her the most opportunites, regardless of her personal feelings.

Avariel summed up something else that had been bothering me - the way Esmi's personality seemed to change so much. If Scott had continued to portray her with a strong intellect and personality, and then I can see her making a calculated decision to go with Kellhus (and letting us in on that decision-making in her head), but dropping her to an intellectual level that almost matches Serwe is something I find insulting on some level.

Kind of like a school-boy fantasy that, &quot;All women will find me and my penis irresistable, regardless of the fact that she is captain of the debate team and president of the Physics Club, and I can barely spell&quot;.

OK, I admit Kellhus can spell. Maybe a better analogy would be Glenda the Good Witch falling for Darth Vader just because he told her sweet nothings and has a large manhood. view post

Esmi posted 27 September 2008 in The Warrior ProphetEsmi by Shell, Peralogue

Esmi shows us at the beginning that she knows she is more than her sexuality, Akka knows that she is more than her sexuality, so therefore everything with Kellhus is regression.

Name me one person who changed as much as Esmi. Serwe stayed annoying dumb, Conphas astonishingly arrogant, Proyas pious, Cnaiur stayed Cnaiur.

I think Esmi is a lightning rod because she is the ONLY main female character. Serwe could have been any other beautiful, nameless face in the crowd, and Conphas mother really doesn't count. She is a lightning rod because Bakker started out with an intelligent woman who knew her own soul, and now everyone defers to her ONLY because she is Kellhus' bedpartner and mother of a godling or something. If she was not attached to Kellhus, she would be just another of many camp whores. view post

Consensus so far? posted 05 February 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Shell, Peralogue

Hi all,

I have been away for some months and probably won't read the new book for a few months (too busy), AND my sister has the old books so I can't re-read them. Amazon sent me the following review (which is why I decided to poke around in here again). Some of you are new and some may not remember me, but I am probably one of the few females in this forum and had a huge problem with the protrayal of Serwe (simply a breeding cow) and Esme to some extent (felt she gave up who she was to go with Kellhus). It did bother me a little that the women in the story were few in number (3, and that is counting the skin-spy Empress) and existed, for the most part, to either serve the sexual needs of men or to become the propagators of the next generation of protagonists. So it was with disappointment that I read this review from Publishers Weekly via Amazon:

&quot;Twenty years after the events of 2007's The Thousandfold Thought, nations unite in a holy war to prevent the No-God's apocalyptic resurrection. Aspect-Emperor Kellhus seems a benevolent messiah, but may be only a power-hungry demagogue. Exiled wizard Drusas Achamian's quest to expose Kellhus as a fraud could be a bitter cuckold's folly or the world's best hope. The Empress Esmenet juggles belief in her husband's godhead with grief for his lack of human attachment. Her bitter, abandoned daughter Mimara—an ex-prostitute, like her mother—begs Achamian to teach her sorcery, though the Judging Eye curse sends her visions of damnation. Bakker's lush language sometimes achieves poetry, but his plotting is less original; minor and nonsexualized female characters are conspicuously absent; and new readers will struggle with the intricate politics and history. &quot;

Hah, maybe Esme got what she deserved. view post


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