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Shell Peralogue | joined 16 September 2007 | 66 posts


Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. posted 10 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. by Shell, Peralogue

Harrol,

Would those studies be in, perhaps, The Onion, or maybe the National Enquirer? On Jerry Springer?

You have a long wait, my friend, on the crash and burn... <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> view post


Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. posted 11 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. by Shell, Peralogue

Harrol,

If the Packers win the Superbowl, I will happily help you pack...

(Strains &quot;O Canada&quot; wafting in the background) view post


Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. posted 12 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. by Shell, Peralogue

Harrol,

Do I wear the Cowboy jersey if they go to the Superbowl and lose, or if they have to play against the Cowboys in the playoffs and lose?

And who will be supplying said jersey since I have no intention of spending my own hard earned cash to procure one, since my skin will burn and flake off upon contact. view post


Just finished Thousandfold Thought posted 12 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished Thousandfold Thought by Shell, Peralogue

Sounds like Karl Rove's propaganda machine <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

After only one reading, I have no opinion other than I am enjoying the discussion for when I do a re-read. view post


Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. posted 12 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. by Shell, Peralogue

They can't lose to the Cowboys in the Superbowl, they are in the same division.

Harrol, you better take some of your lazy-earned plastic and buy your own Cowboys jersey... or cheerleader pom-poms and white Daisy Dukes.(short shorts for all you dudes out there)

Good idea on the picture, but I live in Viking-land. You think they're gonna have Cowboy stuff here? view post


Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. posted 12 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. by Shell, Peralogue

(the next morning, yawns sleepily)

I think the image of Harrol with pompoms and white shorts just before turning in last night caused nightmares...

Trees uprooting themselves and flinging themselves in my path while I try to escape on my bicycle across a golf course.

Yikes, a combo of LOTR, ET and Caddyshack. view post


Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. posted 12 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. by Shell, Peralogue

Harrol,

You are forgiven. Truthfully, unless they play in GB, the Pack will probably lose <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: --> view post


Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. posted 13 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. by Shell, Peralogue

Maybe we are just bored becasue the PON action has been a little slow around here lately... view post


Breaker of Horses and Men posted 14 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by Shell, Peralogue

A very good post on Cnaiur, and I agree with most of it. The part of don't agree with (and there is *huge* discussion over on &quot;Is Cnaiur gay) is that I don't think he is homosexual just because he had one male lover, and that one at 15. I don't think Cnaiur thinks he is homosexual either because he was utterly surprised, if I remember correctly, when he was called a &quot;weeping faggot&quot;. Deep down, most of my gay friends knew they were homosexual, and maybe just denied it to spare family or whatever. But they would not be surprised to be called faggot.

I think in a culture as the Scylenvendi, where love and other tender feelings are ignored, any person of either gender who showed an interest or caring when you were 15 would probably end up as your lover. It is unforutunate that Moengus had ulterior motives.

Another point to bring up is how come we are so facinated by Cnaiur and his male lover? Why don't we bring up whether Moehgus is gay or not? Or whether Emsi and Serwe are lesbians?

I still can't decide if Kellus is a liar, either, or just tells you what you want to hear. view post


Breaker of Horses and Men posted 14 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by Shell, Peralogue

The whole scene with Conphas was rape, and rape is not about sex, its about power, so I don't think it qualifies as a &quot;relationship&quot;, or even homesexual.

I suspect his feelings for Moehgus initially came from the validation and interest Moengus (however fake) showed him as a child. Think of a Catholic priest and all these sex abuse scandals. The priest cultivates trust and an interest in the child, many times in the context of distant or unavailable fathers, then later the relationship turns sexual.

Using the same analogy, with Cnaiur being the eqivalent of an alter boy (wow, he is so *not* an alter boy <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> ), I know a few childhood-priest abuse victims personally. While they struggle with depression, anger, drug use/alcoholism, and suicide attempts, not one of them considers themselves gay or even bi-sexual - even if it was several incidents of molestation, even if they admit is was (shamefully) pleasurable.

If that is the relationship that Cnaiur &quot;cares&quot; about the most, and I would substitute the phrase &quot;affects the most&quot;, I think its in the context of betrayal and hate, not love and caring. You certainly can't describe his feelings for Moenhgus as warm and fuzzy, contrary to most people's memories of a first love. view post


Breaker of Horses and Men posted 14 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by Shell, Peralogue

I also was quite proud Cnaiur killled Moenghus.

Depending on AE and if Cnaiur returns, we probably will not know what exactly Cnauir felt. I just caution you when you equate &quot;ardour&quot; (sexual pleasure) with love or positive feelings. As I am doing my thesis on Women, Poverty and HIV across the globe, I can tell you that I have come across a lot of stuff where men describe having erections as young boys when the priest was fondling them, or girls reporting that it &quot;felt good&quot; when their fathers performed oral sex on them.

The body responds automatically sometimes...and I hope I haven't offended anyone with particular sensitivities, I cleaned the actual language up quite a bit. view post


Breaker of Horses and Men posted 15 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by Shell, Peralogue

I totally see your point. It doesn't matter if it was hate or love, or both, it was extremely deep and powerful.

I agree 15 year-old Cnaiur loved Moenghus, and I think 15-year-old Cnaiur returned the kiss, not 40-year-old Cnaiur.

I think the only thing we may disgree on is the motive for killing Moenghus; you think intellect, and I think hate.

Either way Moenghus got what he deserved. view post


Breaker of Horses and Men posted 15 December 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by Shell, Peralogue

ashaman33,

I forgot to ask you what you thought Kellhus was lying to Esmi about. I can't decide if he really loves her, or is just using her as a broodmare. Or does he take her away to get back at Akka, whom I thought he truly liked?

And for all his lying, is he good or &quot;bad&quot;?

I s'pose we are getting away from this thread... view post


Cnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? posted 22 December 2007 in General DiscusssionCnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? by Shell, Peralogue

Xatantius,

I also have been facinated by this topic. Nobody discusses Moengus' sexuality, and he obviously had sex with men/boy (Cnaiur) and women.

And I know there were references to Esmi, Serwe and Kellhus all in the same bed, but no &quot;Are Esmi and Serwe lovers?&quot; thread.

Maybe its like when you go to your 20th high school class reunion, and you aren't surprised that the skinny guy who played the flute is gay, but you are surprised to hear that the captain of the football team is gay, or the guy who became the navy seal is gay. view post


Cnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? posted 10 January 2008 in General DiscusssionCnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? by Shell, Peralogue

Interesting last post, but I can't agree that he is entirely homosexual - I'll give you bisexual at best. After all, he does have sex with women. He clearly lusts after Serwe, and doesn't seem to express disgust at sexual relations with females.

Mind games with a Dunyain? Yikes! But then that begs the age-old debate of whether one is born gay, or made gay. We don't have any indication that Cnaiur was attracted to men before his encounter with Moehgus, so how can he really &quot;come out&quot; in the true sense? view post


Cnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? posted 11 January 2008 in General DiscusssionCnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? by Shell, Peralogue

Maybe he was attracted to Moehgus because there was no violence attached to the relationship initially (actually, if I remember correctly, the violence was directed towards the baby and Cnair's mother) - he was a teenager at the time and that may have left more of an impression then the actual sex.

If we say that his violence towards females may indicate repressed homosexuality, then the entire Scylevendi culture would be repressed as wife beating/raping seems to be the norm. Odd behavior seems to be gentleness in his relationship with Anissi (sp?)

Yikes, have we attracted the attention of any idealist? I'd be more worried about the fundamentalists. view post


Cnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? posted 16 January 2008 in General DiscusssionCnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? by Shell, Peralogue

Also faulty. It does not clarify anything to dump them into one basket and call it &quot;gay&quot;. Ask anyone who is actually gay, or bisexual. or transgender, or whatever. view post


Cnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? posted 16 January 2008 in General DiscusssionCnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? by Shell, Peralogue

Angainawen,

Are you truly under 20? Because you have the insight of someone much older!

I admit I do get an little annoyed over the whole &quot;gay&quot; thing as I have some very good friends who are gay, and lesbian (and if I know anyone who is trangendered or transexual they are doing a darn good job because I don't know who they are!). Being &quot;40-ish&quot; I had a class reunion recently and some of those who were teased without mercy for being perceived gay (you know, the skinny guy who played clarinet in the HS band) showed up and the same crap happened all over again. *Sigh*

So, breather taken... view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 21 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

I woke up in the middle of the night and came up with:

Kellhus vs Karsa Orlong (Steven Erikson). He is big, he is a badass, and is pissed off that the Chained God is trying to manipulate him, so maybe he would be immune to Kellhus. Then I remembered that he doesn't have any sorcery, but maybe being Knight in High House of Chains would confer some sorcerous immunity.

Kellhus vs Anomander Rake. Thousands of years old, sorcerous ability, Knight of High House Dark, and has a sword that he knows how to use, and that traps your soul forever. If Kellhus got too close, he could probably use a warren to come out behind him... view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 22 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

I also don't know what it/they is/are... view post


The Judging Eye posted 24 January 2008 in The Judging EyeThe Judging Eye by Shell, Peralogue

Wow, he doesn't like GWB... <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 24 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

Master Yoda would kick butt. view post


Question about the Tekne and soulled beings posted 26 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestion about the Tekne and soulled beings by Shell, Peralogue

Hmmm, wondering if it could accidently happen again, sort of like some rare genetic disorder that pops up every third generation or something.

I am reminded of the Terminator movies and the Battlestar Galactica series (no spoilers, I'm only on the second season!) - self aware machines with independent thought, yet have some sort of &quot;program/software&quot;, and now can appparently mate and have machine/human hybrids, who will be...soulless? view post


What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 10 February 2008 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by Shell, Peralogue

Maybe we are just more suspicious. Born and raised Christian (Catholic) I am supposed to believe the Jesus will come back to earth. Now seriously, if it really was Him, would you believe it? Or would you think He was some sort of very talanted David Copperfield with all the miracles? Sure, a certain portion of the population would know for sure it was Him, but I am pretty sure I would just think they were all delusional and nuts.

Kellhus could manipulate us. Look at GWB, Karl Rove and D. Cheney who have most the country believing that Iraq was behind 9/11 and that was the reason for the war. Next it was &quot;weapons of mass destruction&quot; and THAT was the reason for the war - or maybe I have them mixed up. Then people are convinced that listening to our phone conversations and checking financial reports without a warrent is a good thing.

OK, maybe I am the only suspicious one <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> Jesus is gonna have a hard time with me, I might just miss the Rapture... view post


What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 11 February 2008 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by Shell, Peralogue

Well, I was working off the theme as &quot;Kellhus as God&quot; as we don't really have a thread on &quot;Is Kellhus a politician?&quot;

I think Kellhus would come as a religious leader. Does anyone really care who the leader of Switzerland is (pop. 7.5 million)? No offence to anyone Swiss - I really liked Switzerland when I was there.

A leader who took control of Islam - 1.5 billion
A leader who took control of Christianity - 2.0 billion
A leader who took control of Hinduism - 900 million

A religious leader gets you much, much further...


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What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 11 February 2008 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by Shell, Peralogue

Oh man, Paris Hilton? <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->

Thanks, nice image in my head all day... view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 15 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

Karsa Orlong - Steven Erikson, Malazan series.

I considered Darth Vader, but decided he was too consumed by the Dark Side.

Master Yoda, while he has emotions, can control them, so would probably do pretty well.

Lord Voldemort? view post


Was Cnauir gay? posted 15 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Shell, Peralogue

Nice post Sea Cucumber. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 15 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

Of course Yoda. He can use the Force to throw things at him.

R2D2 - no martial arts ability.

Will those of you who have read the Malazan series come help me out? view post


What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 15 February 2008 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by Shell, Peralogue

So during my 45 minute commute, my thought process on Monday went from Paris Hilton to Britney Spears...I know, worse and worse. Luckily, I had a three hour class on pandemic infuenza to drive away thoughts of useless blondes taking up too much of the country's neural cells. They both are so NOT getting the flu shot when the big pandemic hits. I vote NO.

Anyway, Curethan, I agree we are not any smarter than medieval ages. Da Vinci = Newton = Stephen Hawking = Bill Gates. I just think we are more suspicious, cynical and jaded.

Scenario: 1462, somewhere in France. Priest: &quot;Oh no, the moon is eating the sun! All widows bang drums to chase the moon away! All virgins to pray with me naked! All: &quot;OK!&quot;
Scenario: 2008, somewhere in France. &quot;Eclipse? No, man, you need to see the lastest video on Cats Getting a Bath on YouTube!&quot; All:...

I don't think the Internet and mass media would make Kellhus more manipulative. One of his genius is looking into my eyes and seeing my deepest desire. YouTube would introduce him to billions, but he doesn't have that personal connection. Too many funny Eddie Izzard clips would divert my attention.

OK, you say, he doesn't have to convince all of us, just our fearless leaders. I would counter with an example. Harrol and I are obviously on opposite sides on politics. Should GWB go on national TV and say &quot;This here Kellhus guy is a right smart individual. I'm going to pull trees on my ranch. You just do whatever he says.&quot; Me and a whole lotta folks are going to get the ALCU involved, make a motion to place a tax all of Kellhus' actions, and try to pass legislation that will allow Kellhus and Cnaiur to marry if they so wish. In other words, We Will NOT Take This Without a Fight!

On the other hand, let's say a certain female senator from NY stands up and says &quot;Me and my husband Bill think that Kellhus is the most compassionate and intellegent being to ever walk this earth. You just do whatever he says.&quot; Harrol and a whole lotta other folks are going to stand up and say &quot;Fie, Satan! We will never listen to you!&quot; They will go home, gather up all their guns and form militias, make a motion to repeal the entire tax code, and try to pass legislation that Kellhus can only have one wife ever. No concubines allowed.

Advertising? Are you really convinced that Tide cleans better than Cheer in hot water in 4 out of 5 trials? Or is that just a time to go find something to eat in the 'fridge? I admit, I am marketing's worst nightmare - push of a button takes me right past all of 'em.

Mental illness? (scratches head). In light of this recent university shooting (since I heard the gunman stopped taking his meds a few weeks ago, and was acting &quot;erratic&quot;.) you might have something there. Although the people that have a mental illness at any point in time are a small minority. There has been some discussion as to whether Cnaiur was mentally ill, and he certainly didn't roll over and follow Kellhus like a lost puppy dog. view post


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