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Callan S. Auditor | joined 10 June 2006 | 88 posts


sranc posted 16 November 2009 in The Darkness That Comes Beforesranc by Callan S., Auditor

I think they are being ascribed some capacities here they just don't have in the book. In the glossary I believe it even mentions they are inferior to a swordsman.

What Scotts probably gotten across very well is their shock and awe element of their construction - that's exactly what shock and awe is supposed to do, start making the enemy build up fearful fabrications of your own capacities. view post


Skaeos...huh? posted 16 November 2009 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeSkaeos...huh? by Callan S., Auditor

Quote: "bobby":u2jj07iy
What I don't understand is how the Emperor knew he was betrayed by Skaeos[/quote:u2jj07iy]
He didn't know. He was a paranoid madman and merely by chance he took the look between Kelhus and Skaeos as some sort of conspiracy, and merely on that alone he ordered Skaeos tortured.

It was hapstance. view post


The eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* posted 16 November 2009 in The Judging EyeThe eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* by Callan S., Auditor

Akka just knows alot of stuff and figured it. That's because Akka rocks. Even old Akka! view post


I am a devout follower of Kellhus posted 16 November 2009 in The Judging EyeI am a devout follower of Kellhus by Callan S., Auditor

You find yourself drawn and as you are, you paint over any unknown elements with the same 'wonderful'. You take a rising urge to lay down your life and it makes dwindle and die any instinctual darwinistic scrutiny. You call the absence of this reflex, certainty.

No, I have no point in saying such. view post


I am a devout follower of Kellhus posted 23 November 2009 in The Judging EyeI am a devout follower of Kellhus by Callan S., Auditor

Well, I think there are indicators of an emotional impetus inside him, though the indicators are small and the impetus fragmentary. I think it's almost a flaw of the books that Kellhus shows irrational emotion to a tiny degree (which is obviously dwarfed by his very logical execution of it) but the book does not examine it, perhaps trying to act as if it's not there. Given that he becomes the darkness that comes before for most (all?) of the other characters, he still isn't given any author aided character examination (you can obviously look at events and speculate, but Scott isn't in there with you at any point, helping out and speculating with you)

Take when he kills his father - IIRC before he knifes his father, he says 'I am more' (in responce to his fathers words 'You are Dunyain' - and excuse my own spelling here). That doesn't seem terribly efficient at the material level. But at some level of principles perhaps it was - but what principles? What do we see of them?

In a way I think Kelhus may be even more blind to his own emotions than world born men. World born men know they lust and laugh and greed. They can atleast see these things to some degree. But by banishing such emotions, has Kelhus simply left himself with the emotions he can't see? That none can see? The whole thing about vulgar emotions is that they may equal unseen emotions in strength - and are thus leverage against the unseen. And the dunyain have given up that leverage.

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Does Scott have an agent that takes mail for him? posted 23 November 2009 in Author Q &amp; ADoes Scott have an agent that takes mail for him? by Callan S., Auditor

Oh yeah! Thanks! Sadly I hadn't thought of that. My probability trance isn't all that strong, eh!? lol

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I am a devout follower of Kellhus posted 15 December 2009 in The Judging EyeI am a devout follower of Kellhus by Callan S., Auditor

I'm saying Kellhus is blind to the emotions that drive him - that he recognises emotions that no longer drive him is both true yet wont mean anything in terms of recognising what emotions actually do drive him.

And in terms of free will the question I raise is 'Free of what?'. If your causally linked to things you care about - do you want to be free of things you care about? I address this more on my blog: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://philosophergamer.blogspot.com/2009/11/free-will-looking-further.html">http://philosophergamer.blogspot.com/20 ... rther.html</a><!-- m --> view post


Celmomian Prophesy, Seswatha Dreams, and the &quot;Present&quot; posted 26 February 2010 in The Judging EyeCelmomian Prophesy, Seswatha Dreams, and the &quot;Present&quot; by Callan S., Auditor

I think as Akka starts to think he's Seswatha, so he becomes that. Much in the way Bakker likes to describe so how you act is eventually how you become.

As he becomes more Seswatha, more memories are compatable with him and so can be remembered.

But that hypnotism bit...Kellhus could have left all sorts of viruses and malware, so to speak, during that 'unknown permissions' bit. So it could all be simply following the steps of a programmed sleeper agent - though the throneroom scene just doesn't seem efficient somehow, with Akka denouncing him as emporer. So Akka still seems somewhat of a rogue variable rather than a fully controlled variable. view post


Dunyain Ancestory posted 23 April 2011 in The Judging EyeDunyain Ancestory by Callan S., Auditor

To be honest I wonder why they keep something which is 'history', when they are a people without history. Perhaps some strange force that goes along with the prophesy, if such exists. view post


Complaint to author posted 08 May 2011 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Callan S., Auditor

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:38r3rknw
As I recall that part of Kellhus' training, the Pragma was waiting with a knife to turn Kellhus off if he failed to apprehend the principle of the logos (the Pragma might have killed quite a few indifferent students this way). The opening poster was lucky that no Dunyain was there to witness his/her failure; he or she might have met an untimely end otherwise.[/quote:38r3rknw]
* Yeah, I'm replying to an old thread but the mods probably aren't too bothered by some genuine traffic *

Anyway, on this indifference, hold on a second!?* That's part of what I don't get - why did Kellhus pluck the knife out of the air, instead of just sit there like a vegetable? To me it seem not ALL of the legion could have been leashed if he still actually does anything?

By my measure, why would anyone do anything without some sort of remaining desire? It almost seems to be the Dunyain bullshitting themselves they are free of desire, when there is still one there.

* Well, I guess you've held on for almost two years now, so... view post


Complaint to author posted 19 May 2011 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Callan S., Auditor

Who is mastering your mind?

I mean, you say it as if there is no 'who' involved &quot;Mastering your mind&quot;. Who is doing this? Again, it seems to ignore who/what is doing something, and instead focates on doing it? It's blindness to the prior that urges forth and says &quot;Master my mind I must&quot;.

That thought is not mastered. view post


I am a devout follower of Kellhus posted 19 May 2011 in The Judging EyeI am a devout follower of Kellhus by Callan S., Auditor

Quote: &quot;Thorsten&quot;:27w4osqe
And in terms of free will the question I raise is 'Free of what?'. If your causally linked to things you care about - do you want to be free of things you care about? I address this more on my blog: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://philosophergamer.blogspot.com/20">http://philosophergamer.blogspot.com/20</a><!-- m --> ... rther.html


Well, this goes to the heart of the free will issue - what does it actually mean to exercise free will? Can you (or anyone) think of an experiment (even a thought experiment) that could in principle prove the existence of free will in contrast to determinism? I've been trying to come up with something for years, and I think it's just not possible.[/quote:27w4osqe]
I'd just see it the other way around - any presumed grasp of determinism is BS. If anyone really grasped determinism, they could describe how the universe came about/why there was a big bang. To know what will come is to know what came before.

The very lack of understanding of determinism is what defines free will. It's part of what makes Kellhus so frightening, even with his still relatively mortal understanding of determinism.

We would not call a person who throws dice for decisionmaking free-willed.

Now you come to mention it, I am not sure I wouldn't. To let go of so very much? Certainly I don't feel free to do that.

The keyword would be something like self-determination - but what does that mean? Obviously, you are determined by what you want because if it were different, you wouldn't want it. Of course, the neuroscientists go on claiming that self is an illusion (which does not prevent them from feeling pissed when their papers are rejected - that seems real enough for them). But as I wrote elsewhere, there is a blatant contradiction that if there is no self, the whole scientific method which is validated by the experience of the self, the conscious observer, is as illusionary as the self, and so it can't be used to disprove any self.

Just on a side note decades ago, in terms of science, I read that the theory of it is that it never tried to prove anything. It could test something and get result B a million times and yet still admit result a might happen on the million and first try. I don't see alot of scientists on TV stand by this today. Actually I see none, particularly in terms of climate debate - they all insist it's real. This seems to betray that primary principle of science (BTW, I think climate change is real - I'm not trying to argue against it - I'm just injecting doubt into what I'm certain of).

Anyway, onto 'self'. Pretty ambiguous term. I'm pretty certain though that if I die, those scientists hearts keep going and they keep doing things I would have wanted to do, like eat nice food, drink wine, have sex, bask in warm sunlight, etc. What, is it an illusion that my corpse doesn't appear to be doing those things? Or am I some miraculous super special snowflake that if I were to die, so will they by default somehow!? Ha! No, there will be one less organism. I think it'd be better if they tried to suggest the universe is one absolute whole and the sense of individual objects is an illusion.

Maybe you summerised them rather briskly and there is more detail to what the neuroscientists claim? view post


Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 20 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

Woops, must stop reading, don't own WLW yet...heh, just attracted here by the activity... view post


Well, ordered the book... posted 25 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Well, ordered the book... by Callan S., Auditor

Waiting trepedaciously for my semantic impact with that small obelisk of dead tree pulp and inkey runes?

Have you ever held a Bakker book between thumb and forefinger before you read it, thinking how many events (atleast at the mental level) is there, right there in front of you? Even if you don't know what, atleast for a moment you hold your future between thumb and forefinger, instead of it you?

Just thought I'd make a post on waiting for white luck warrior. Since the forums are quiet I'm sure the mods are a bit flexible on that <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The absolute posted 17 July 2011 in General DiscusssionThe absolute by Callan S., Auditor

The absolute. The self moving soul. Mastering all circumstances.

Okay, here's a simple question - how can more than one Dunyain ever have such a status? How can TWO people master all circumstances at once, eh?

The Dunyain never really struck me as community minded. Are they, behind all the shortest path stuff? (which begs the question, shortest for whom?)

Lol side note: I still think Scott had a cut throat gamist player in his D&amp;D game back in the day, and that's where the idea of Kelhus arrises from (in part!). view post


Well, ordered the book... posted 18 July 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Well, ordered the book... by Callan S., Auditor

Well, I recieved it. But if to think what to say is to summerize, I'm not sure I can.

I will say I think the early books were denser - not surprising since Scott formulated them the most, for so long.

Most of my interest in the books isn't directly tied to the fantasy, but in the lines drawn to our past and the utterly nasty events there, so easy to forget. I often feel the books are educative first - though as said, mostly so with the first few and less dense with latter books.

I find it difficult to withdraw so as to gain perspective, as to do so requires a certain amount of glibness. Which given the subject matter I'm not inclined to take on. I guess that's what makes the books compelling? Can't withdraw from the frame? view post


The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 19 July 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by Callan S., Auditor

Kellhus teleported back and terminated them? view post


The browser game that comes before...? posted 19 July 2011 in General DiscusssionThe browser game that comes before...? by Callan S., Auditor

Having learnt some PHP code, I was idly thinking of making a browser based game in relation to the three seas. Before anyone gets excited, browser games are primarily text based with still images and second, yes, it'd be covered in disclaimers that I do not claim any right at all to the source and I grovel at the boot of Scott, hoping not to be struck down by a C&amp;D letter (at which point I'd have to go strip all the IP out and replace it with my own).

I was actually thinking of something around the skalpers era, as that has lots of monster fighting as well as lots of people of many cultures there and so much intrigue.

It'd be difficult to actually maintain any self reflection element (rather than let it become yet another sycophancy game on the web), but I think some could be implemented.

Thoughts? view post


The browser game that comes before...? posted 26 July 2011 in General DiscusssionThe browser game that comes before...? by Callan S., Auditor

I was thinking of playing on the idea of damnation - you start with a character who has done dark things.

Now, I was thinking that you could redeem a character over time. Once fully redeemed (pentinent?), the character retires (you keep a bunch of resources like money and such, since the traditional model of browser games is resource accumulation).

Or you can just keep doing black deeds until your dark and crispy with sin particles!

Or I dunno, am I being wussy having the option for redemptive acts? More Bakker like to have entropic sin rule the universe, eh? And no one breaks the rules of thermo dynamic sin? view post


Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 01 August 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

On two points, the way it happened really bothered me. First, in the initial phase of the battle, the king in charge (forgot his name) sent ALL the sorcerers out to attack the Horde.

Because Kellhus manipulated them to screw up.

So as to enable the taboo breaking 'We will eat sranc' command to be adopted while, in defeat, the armies collective mental guard is down. view post


The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 01 August 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by Callan S., Auditor

I think, assuming Akka saying those with the judging eye do not give birth to live young is not simply a comforting lie, that the no-god will return, and at this point, when all other births are born still, Mimara will give birth - and the baby will be alive! Somehow the inversion from the no god will mean she gives birth to a live baby?

What sort of baby? <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> I dunno? view post


Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 08 August 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

I'm not sure chanv has been revealed, explicitly, has it? It sounds plausible, but I don't think it's been revealed? Personally my theory is that one of the nonmen who bared their neck to the human invasion was instead captured and if chanv is a nonmen body product, it's not from dead nonman but from his blood. They have a nonmen on tap somewhere. Vampiric, eh?

Eating Sranc is just a logistic necessity

It's easy to think that from the safety of a readers POV. I was thinking earlier on why didn't they eat the sranc - I thought maybe sranc are designed to be poisonous to eat, or become poisonous on death.

But remember, a huge theme in the books is cultural taboo. If it is taboo to eat sranc, it's not like they just say &quot;oh, it's logistically necessary, so well skip that taboo&quot;. I mean, that's what we do in roleplay sessions sometimes - have our character act like a perfectly logical robot who has no qualms about taking any means necessary (indeed, I often think this was an inspiration for Kellhus, from Scott's D&amp;D days). But as easy as it is to say an imaginary character does it, to actually do the thing - with your own mouth?

However, the effects on the army from eating sranc given they are derived from nonmen, yeah, that's interesting speculation to bring up! I had only thought of forfilling the need to feed, not any sort of effect beyond that. view post


Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 15 August 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

I'm not sure weve seen much of the white luck warrior. In fact I rather feel that each book doesn't actually cover it's subject - I felt there was more judging eye action in white luck warrior than in the judging eye, for example. In fact I'd actually say that in each book - more thousandfold thought in judging eye, more warrior prophet in thousand fold thought. Not sure about TDTCB - that's kinda everywhere! Anyway, it seems the book after that covers the book before, to me!

Karol, how do they stuff up the formatting?

And you could go and harass Scott on his blog, to get the book out sooner &gt;:) view post


The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 08 September 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by Callan S., Auditor

Quote: &quot;Madness&quot;:3sm8gou6
Kellhus is a &quot;God,&quot; testing his subjects, in various ways.[/quote:3sm8gou6]
Sounds more like a scientist testing rats in a maze, to me. view post


Kellhus vs Dune posted 08 September 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus vs Dune by Callan S., Auditor

I'd like to look at the first draft of TDTCB, the one that got rejected for printed and Scott rewrote latter on.

Evolution takes time. view post


Kellhus vs Dune posted 09 September 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus vs Dune by Callan S., Auditor

I think I get your point, but it seems a bit harsh? It's like pointing and laughing at an amphibian as it crawls across the mud, because a cheetah is much faster and sleeker. Yet the cheetah was ultimately derived from the amphibian. Someone has to make the first, clumsy steps - often they are more daring than those we fancy the superior who come after.

Humans have a certain inclination for entertaining superiority, so hey, lets entertain some superiority over dune, cool. But you've got to have some respect for the balls it takes to write at all? Assuming the author cares if someone might howl with laughter at what you write (if not, not).

Oh, and I should admit, I haven't read dune, either. view post


No-God theory, or another theory posted 11 September 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]No-God theory, or another theory by Callan S., Auditor

How could a god not hunger with these great meal deals at Mc Donalds!!!1!

Sorry, quiet forum, couldn't resist! view post


Kellhus vs Dune posted 21 September 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus vs Dune by Callan S., Auditor

Pssst, non men are just cooler ents!

Just joking, though seriously, both have lost their entwives and live for centuries or longer.

Scott has also said he doesn't have a creative bone in his body, and so borrows from favorites.

Really? He said this?

This gives quite some perspective on how he managed to write these books of his...a strange perspective, but all the same... view post


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