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art work posted 09 May 2007 in The Thousandfold Thoughtart work by anor277, Didact

Is it a figure, or a face? If a face, the 4 outstretched "arms" for mine suggest a skin spy. view post

Miscellaneous Stuff posted 12 May 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMiscellaneous Stuff by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Gravity Gun":td4pwkt3
Just to be sure: Kellhus is immune to Chorae now, right? But why?[/quote:td4pwkt3]

I don't know where you got that idea. Kellhus is demonstrably not immune to chorae. When he fought the ranking Cishaurim, he conjured a vortex of debris to protect himself from chorae projectiles; his preternatural reflexes enabled him to grasp a chorae bolt (i.e. the pointy end not but not the trinket end) but he (and Moenghus) are clearly susceptible to them. I grant that in 20 years Kellhus may unravel the Aporos but that remains to be seen.

Also, on the number of Srancs: how can there be that many? The book speaks of numbers stretching across the horizon, even in the days of the Apocalypse. Yet I have the impression that: 1. they need food no less than human; 2. they are hunter-gatherers. Human populations began to explode only when we adopted agriculture. As hunter-gatherers there simply isn't enough food to feed a big population.

I think the Srancs were described as able to eat anything organic. We know they infest the north; there probably remains enough resources to sustain a large population, certainly enough to prevent human resettlement.

Bashrags: what do they look like? Due to my infatuation with Warcraft back in the days, I can't seem to shake the image of [url=]Ogres[/url:td4pwkt3] of various sorts whenever I read about Bashrags. Except Bashrags probably don't have two heads. Maybe three?

Trolls, ogres? Your guess is as good as mine. Didn't Seswatha describe the fused bones of a Bashrag somewhere?

Mama Anasurimbor: where is she? And more importantly, is she hot? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> Alternative theory on why Kellhus so desperately wants Gnosis: Mother's Day is coming up, and he has give Ishual a &quot;call.&quot; If he knows what's good for him.

Presumably, she's back at Ishual. If she has sorcerous ability, she probably didn't survive the culling after Moenghus sending.

Zeum: By all indication a large and prosperous nation. How can they be just left out of the story of the second Apocalypse? Judging by map, they have a much better route to Golgoterath by sea -- just hug the coast and head north.

They probably won't be left out. Bakker said somewhere that the 2nd apocalypse will involve the whole world.

Eanna: So the gates were broken. Were they re-sealed? If not, how come there is no more contact with the original homeland?

Again, no data. Maybe Earwa was a much richer land than Eanna, and all humans migrated. Maybe the relict human population of Eanna is kept beyond the Pale by Sranc or boundary riders. We don't know at this point view post

Miscellaneous Stuff posted 13 May 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMiscellaneous Stuff by anor277, Didact

Just regarding the chorae arrows, it is fairly clear that if there is no contact (between sorceror and trinket) there is no effect. I had the idea that chorae were fixed to existing arrows, bolts etc; it is probably as likely that the chorae arrows have not points or heads but the chorae at the business end of the shaft. The chorae is fixed to the end of the arrow, which does not have a pointy, sharp head (shades of Fiddler's crossbow here).

Anyway, a long thread ago I had the idea that Kellhus would have been safer if he had not learned the Gnosis in that it gave an assassin the one opportunity to mark him with a trinket (cf Moenghus again), whereas a regular assassin, no matter how skilled, would have stood no chance mano a mano. As you say he is probably just as safe as a (chorae vulnerable) sorceror. We will see what he makes of the Gnosis. No doubt he has now got access to a chorae hoard after Shimeh; great opportunities for experiment. view post

The Aspect-Emperor posted 15 May 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Madness&quot;:3fb07yag

The question of Kellhus's prophetic status is, perhaps, the single most important debate pertaining to Eärwaen future.

I have two friends whom I'm fortunate enough to discuss these novels with in person every so often. I can think of no more heated debate even amongst the three of us, let alone these forums.

I do not believe Anasûrimbor Kellhus to be a prophet. Delusional or emotionally deluged but not a prophet.

As regards Kellhus status as prophet, whether he is shamming or not, I believe he is every bit as entitled to that status as Fane or Inrithi Sejenus. What were these two individuals but charismatic leaders, who (probably) felt that they were on a mission from God. Did these earlier prophets themselves believe the lies they told? Probably. If they didn’t, does that disqualify them as prophets; it certainly doesn’t make any difference to their faithful, whose belief is still devout. As you say, Kellhus is now the heir to Seswatha, and Celmomas, and Inrithi Sejenus. The laity's belief in him (especially if he has modified some of the oppressive aspects of Three Seas culture) must be absolute. I don’t think Kellhus (yet) believes the lies he has told, but, as he himself contemplated, what would be the faithful’s reaction if he tried to tell them the truth.

To believe in Anasûrimbor Kellhus is an Inrithi prophet then you must believe all that implies about the philosophy of Eärwa. To believe in the Warrior-Prophet is to accept the Inrithi religion and it's world philosophies as true, regarding the innumerable aspects of the God and the Outside. As is in our own world, I do not believe that the Men of Eänna nor Eärwa have uncovered the truth concerning the metaphysics of their reality.

Again as above, I find it hard to agree with this. To &quot;believe&quot; Kellhus is a prophet is to recognize that Kellhus is another salesman; a rather better one than Fane or I. Sejenus. (PS &quot;Sejenus&quot;, that's an unfortunate choice of name, wasn't Sejenus the head of the Praetorian Guard under Caligula?)

In light of this, I cannot count the amount of false speculation here on the forums that accepts the Outside as fact. To myself, the only proof we have of the Outside we owe to Iyokus and the Daimos.

Again, the Outside in Kellhus' world is a given. I don't think we have misinterpreted the novels if we accept the outside as facts, and the Gods as greater and lesser demons. The scepticism we have in our own world of prophets and gods and metaphysical beings (whatever theses things are) is reserved in a fantasy novel, where there is manifest proof of the same.

I have spent long hours pondering Kellhus's own Great Ordeal. Like his ancestor, Celmomas II, before him, Kellhus's Ordeal is facing a likely still hypothetical threat. Though the skin-spies have been uncovered, as the Dûnyain Kellhus and Moënghus are/were the only two whom can recognize them for what they are, I'm sure that the Consult can sufficiently implement them into the Three Seas again. Likely then, the Consult will know that Anasûrimbor Kellhus has called a holy war against them.

Well Maithanet also could make a good stab at recognizing the oversexed buggers and neutralizing them. Esmenet, with much less resources, also seemed to do a good job in the lead up to Shimeh. Kellhus (and Moenghus) could not do everything, and part of their success was their delegation to others tasks that ordinary human resources could accomplish. I don't doubt that the Consult will still have intelligence in the next 20 years.

A final two points pertaining to the march of the Great Ordeal, two speculations of my own which I assert as truths.

The Great Ordeal called by Anasûrimbor Kellhus will ultimately meet defeat, another Ordeal broken and dashed against the twin horns of Min-Uroikas.

Anasûrimbor Kellhus will die.

For a moment, I'm going to pause here to iterate something that I feel many, if not all, posters need to realize about the Celmomian Prophecy. A harbinger is not a saviour, it is a signal or a sign. The Anasûrimbor Kellhus is the harbinger of the Second Apocalypse.

Just on this subject, it is not too unreasonable to suppose that Kellhus will make a swift exit (probably by misadventure) very early on in the next series of novels. This is perhaps good for the storyline, on the basis that no adversary could realistically present Kellhus a worthy challenge. It’s all very well being a Dark Lord or arch villain or malefic demon, but let’s face it should any one of Lord Voldemort, the No God, Mrs Coulter, or Morgoth, take on Kellhus not only would Kellhus be four steps ahead of their every evil machination, but Kellhus could offer to sort out their personality problems and even toss in a very credible chance of eternal salvation. Kellhus is simply omnicompetent, too capable, and in the next 20 years he is likely to become the paramount sorceror, as well as the paramount thinker, and soldier. On the other hand, maybe the plans of the Consult have been too well-laid, over too long a period, for even Kellhus' stupendous abilities to overcome. Simply for the sake of the story, it must be hard to have a character such as Kellhus; he is so good at everything he does. I look forward to see how Scott will resolve this problem. view post

Evolution vs Creation posted 15 May 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Aerek urs Sjaarda&quot;:pl3zibmn
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that disorder in a closed system increases with time (And the earth is essentially a closed system), forces us to conclude that the earth was once more organized and integrated than it is now. What modern science is saying about evolution increasing the organizational cell and DNA structures is contrary to this Law.
Also, EE, you said, &quot;But Evolution is one of the strongest and most robust theories in all of science and has weathered the test of time quite well so far&quot; Keep in mind that evolution is just that, a theory. There is no possible way to test it or observe it in action in any proper sense, neither has it been proved. Belief in evolution then is a form of faith, so what you believe isn't really different from most religions.[/quote:pl3zibmn]

I don't want to become involved with a debate with a devout believer, but you are plain wrong on your thermodynamics and your conception of theory. The Earth is not a closed system; the sun is a large source of negative entropy, and all of us see it for 10-12 hours each day. Of course evolution is a theory, a large scale generalization that accounts for all the evidence in its totality and predicts what we are likely to see in the fossil record and experiments. What evolution is has twice been articulated in this thread; it is eminently testable; in no wise can it considered to be a belief or object of faith. You are entitled to your belief but those old canards are not worth repeating.

ETA: Sorry Randal, I did not even see your post, when I read that last post I was literally foaming at the mouth. And to think that the theory of evolution does not even really compromise belief in a creator. view post

Evolution vs Creation posted 28 May 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by anor277, Didact

Just to add a another tired, commonly quoted mistruth about evolution: &quot;Evolution teaches that man came from the apes&quot;, a canard that's been with us since at least the time of the Scopes Monkey trial. Of course, evolution teaches no such thing, it suggests that humanity and the great apes had a common, recent ancestor. There was this joke going round that if mankind shares 98% of its DNA with chimpanzees (and I don't know if that figure is right), then why aren't the police checking ape alibis for all of the crimes they committed? view post

Miscellaneous Stuff posted 28 May 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMiscellaneous Stuff by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Cohen&quot;:hxg7w3to
Can you elaborate on the Khellus killing Maithanet's Father, granted I only read TTT once and am rereading TDTCB for the third time, but could you reference it for me so I can find that part?[/quote:hxg7w3to]

As per WP's reference. Note that Kellhus despatched his father purely by mundane means - he stuck a knife into him - maybe also he (K) did not how to voice a cant capable of killing his father. Because Moenghus did not die immediately, the assumption is that Kellhus mortally wounded him. Even in such a condition, and blind to boot, Moenghus the Dunyain was far too dangerous to approach lightly. It was left to Cnaiur to deliver the coup de grace; of course Cnauir could handle a chorae.

PS Kudos to WP and the other moderators for removing a heap of spam. view post

Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 30 May 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;amodman&quot;:284445nt

What this not explain, however, is why, when the Inchoroi came to the Three Seas, did they war with Non-Men? If Men themselves were nothing but roaming animals at the time, what threat did the Non-Men pose that the Humans did not then warrant? And of course, the Non-Men's existence evenutally no longer seems a threat to the Inchoroi (see - the Non-Men on the opposite side of the Apocalypse). Perplexing indeed, which begs the further (among many) questions, what the f*** are the Non-Men? Are they perhaps the supposed God's original favored children, corrupted by never-ending life like the fall immortal man in the Garden of Eden in the Bible? Was this favor then passed to Men, whose existence seems somehow related to the Non-Men, which became the next threat to the Inchoroi, but who were too weak to do anything about it until Men's own Sorcereries were able to revive their strength?[/quote:284445nt]

I can address this question at least. Achamian specifically describes the war between the newly arrived Inchoroi and the Non-Men - detailing it as far antiquity. The glossaries in TTT go a bit further - the Inchoroi arrived, a catastrophic event, they warred with the Non-Men, they made peace with the Non-Men (and caused their destruction as a living culture), and lastly an apocalyptic war that destroyed all but 2 of the Inchoroi. As to the Non-Mens' identity, they are the original inhabitants of Earwa, Elves in Tolkien speak, possessed both of sorcerous and martial power. view post

Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 30 May 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;amodman&quot;:1zmfqtcx
Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:1zmfqtcx
As to the Non-Mens' identity, they are the original inhabitants of Earwa, Elves in Tolkien speak, possessed both of sorcerous and martial power.[/quote:1zmfqtcx]

No offense, but I don't care how the Non-Men relate to Tolkien, I care how they relate to Bakker's world, and why the Inchoroi felt the need to war with them, and later not (but are hell bent of wiping out the humans). There's a lot about the Non-Men, and motivations of their conflict, which we do not know, but holds great weight.[/quote:1zmfqtcx]

No offense taken, but we've only met one Non-man in Bakker's world; we've seen a tantalizing glimpse of their civilization in Kyudea(?). From the TTT glossary we know that the contemporary Non-men are near physically immortal, thanks to a terrible curse wrought by the Inchoroi when they acted as their physicians. The burden of their great age sends a lot of them mad, i.e. &quot;erratic&quot;. The Non-men (there are no Non-women now thanks to above) have a moribund culture; arguably they do not now form a part of the great cycle of souls because they cannot reproduce (and hence no danger to the Consult). The Consult probably now regard them as superfluous, a problem that the Inchoroi cunningly dealt with ages ago. The Non-men of Ishterebinth (spelling?, I always get it wrong) are still dangerous to approach because of their prodigious sorcery but they are all relics of a bygone age. view post

Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 03 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:33np80th

No, the man tormenting Seswatha on the wall is in fact the same man Kellhus confronted in TDTCB.[/quote:33np80th]

Spoiler alert obviously broken. There is no indication in the novels as to that individual's identity. view post

Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 03 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:994g4d0b
Yes Bakker slipped up and revealed his identity on the board. He later expressed regret for so doing.[/quote:994g4d0b]

That was my point. Some of us don't like spoilers and would prefer to read the novels on a fresh, unspoiled basis as they become available. I don't like knowing what I am getting for Xmas either, likewise when my first baby was born I didn't want to know her sex beforehand (since she was born in Germany we always to remind the doctor to use &quot;es&quot; not &quot;er&quot; or &quot;sie&quot;). view post

Achamian posted 12 June 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;kaboos&quot;:19t5f31d
Hey all my first post <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

I'm basically thinking that because akka renounced hi involvement with the mandate his powers might grow somewhat?(that would be cool) Because at the end of TfT he basically kicks tonnes of ass all by himself.

But it seems most likely that he'll wander off into the north and not only find out stuff about he dunyain but also the consult.

Either way akka is still the most bad ass sorcerer of all time ....( other than seswatha of course.)...and will most likely do some more killing before he dies.
go achamian

<!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->[/quote:19t5f31d]

Unfortunately, there is not too much evidence regarding Achamian's ability as a sorceror. He was a sorceror of rank (whatever that means) of the Mandate, which makes him formidable. He was also used by that School as a field agent (the Scarlet Spires top dog, whose name I forget, at one stage ruefully makes this point, but is still unwilling to test his ability solely on the superiority of the Gnosis). The quorum especially, there must be other members of the Mandate who are quite superior to Achamian in the practice of sorcery. view post

Akka and Kelhus will be the Greatest Ordeal posted 15 June 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Akka and Kelhus will be the Greatest Ordeal by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;shiva&quot;:130pmey6
The inability to share the gnosis with someone not Seswatha approved, even when subjected to cants of compulsion, tells me the ritual with Ses' heart is no trick of hypnosis. I think that somehow part of Ses' mind is bound to the heart and passed into members of the Mandate. Akka remembered speaking to Kellhus in his hypnotrance but not what he said, i think Kellhus convinced Seswatha-within to let Akka teach him.


On the other hand, the fact that Kellhus, with (then!) purely mundane methods at his disposal, could subvert Mandate strictures, points to the fact that a Mandati's inability to betray the Gnosis was somehow due to a conditioning process - conditioning in which Seswatha somehow featured very strongly. We don't know so many things. view post

Paradise Lost posted 18 June 2007 in Literature DiscussionParadise Lost by anor277, Didact

Just to add that one of the best prose homages to Paradise Lost is Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy (and Pullman acknowledges his debt to Milton). The novels have characterized as works but they are wonderfully inventive, gripping, and a cracking story. view post

Achamian posted 21 June 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Hellscythe&quot;:3b84r3sr
Might Kellhus try and kill the other Dunyain?[/quote:3b84r3sr]

He might, that is if the other Dunyain are still around, and have not been found and turned off by the Consult, who have been actively looking for them. It would also not be too surprising if (after 20 years) the Dunyain is actually in league with the Consult, and are directing Consult breeding programmes, foreign policy, research into sorcery and the Tekne etc - then again maybe that would make the Consult too formidable. view post

Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 22 June 2007 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:3fxiwluc

I'm not sure what to make of the no-god speaking to Kellhus. We know that Tsuramah is a construct of the Tekne, and it follows that he would be similar to the skin-spies in that he exists only within the circle of the world as they do - this would be consistent with his powers and purpose. The fact that he is dead kind of precludes him talking to anyone, except maybe as an echo - perhaps he exists in a nascent state as the Consult works to resurrect him, but I very much doubt that he is an active participant in the events that occur - you would exepct that he would be in contact with Aurax and Aurang before he went checking out Kellhus.[/quote:3fxiwluc]

Just to chime in on this point, we do not know that Tsurumah was solely a product of the Tekne. He was raised by the Consult, which then included the Inchoroi brothers, Mekeritrig, Shauriatis, and other unknown individuals (probably both men and non-men versed in Gnostic and aporetic? sorcery). The point is that there may be a sorcerous component to his being, even if Mog bore aporetic artefacts and was defeated by a technological (as far as we know) device. At the moment we simply don't know; if Kellhus has communicated with him somehow, he must surely have a reality beyond technology - certainly the phrase &quot;the soul that encounters him passes no further&quot;, which Achamian related, does not describe a technological device.

I wonder how he is going to be introduced? Wnen Achamian mused with Kellhus about the No-God's nature (in WP?) he (A) could not describe him (Mog) in any meaningful way. I think we are likely to see many rabbits out of hats in the Aspect emporer.

Just regarding Kellhus' status as a prophet, I feel that all our reservations about him should also be extended to Sejenus and Fane. Both of these latter may have been the artful hucksters that we suspect Kellhus is. view post

Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 23 June 2007 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;professor plum&quot;:27yeg68k
That's definitely the impression I formed, Harrol. Sticking with my oversoul theory for now...[/quote:27yeg68k]

I think you shoould probably repeat that theory, too many threads in the dim, distant past to which to trawl. We don't know of course that Scott B's own ideas on the No-God's are yet mature. view post

Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 26 June 2007 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by anor277, Didact

@PP, thank you for finding that old thread. If I am reading you right, the idea of the No-God as a continental soul vacuum cleaner is not a bad one - only inference and not evidence there to support it though. I am more inclined to believe that the No-God's effect on the newly born is more of a technological effect, an epidemic virus for instance, than a metaphysical one. All speculation of course and you are just as likely to have described the No-God's nature.

I do note that Achamian said that agents of the Consult recovered the No-God's &quot;accursed&quot; remains after Mengedda - on this basis it is reasonable to believe that Mog has a technological component. view post

Is Bakker a huge fan of Frank Herbert? posted 26 June 2007 in Off-Topic DiscussionIs Bakker a huge fan of Frank Herbert? by anor277, Didact

Just on this topic, I think Scott has said somewhere that the Skinspies were an obvious homage to Herbert's Facedancers. As regards Bakker's ability as a writer and storyteller versus Herbert, I think most of us could agree that the pupil has far excelled the teacher. view post

Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 26 June 2007 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;professor plum&quot;:3sv5rw8g
But why would such a virus be tied to the No-God? Why would people be able to feel his dreadful presence beyond the horizon if he was just a monster-controlling death factory?
Buggered if I know; it's just that the Inchoroi probably (almost certainly) used mundane means to break the soul cycle of the Non-Men (when they acted as Non-Men physicians). The Consult may have followed their lead. And I don't don't doubt that sorcery of some form was part of the No-God's makeup. Again, I didn't say you were wrong, I was more inclined to consider an alternative explanation.

A mundane cause of universal stillbirths would require a pretty damn effective transmission mechanism. It wasn't some or many or most babies that were stillborn while the No-God was around, it was every single one. And that stopped after he was heronspeared, right? (Or am I speculating?) So, in Eärwa, I think the metaphysical explanation for this is more plausible.

Again, we have no data. The No-God had mortal worshippers; the still birth epidemic may have been selective. It's hard to believe that the Scylvendi, an &quot;ignorant&quot; steppe people who must have prized fertility, continued to worship a god whose being denied that fertility; they are hard but could they be that hard? As I read the snippets that we had so far, the plague of still-births did end after the No-God's passing.

As for Mog's accursed remains, well, Achamian doesn't know what the No-God is. For all we know the Consult may have merely collected the remnants of the Carapace.

I just mentioned the No-God's remains because I wanted to use the term &quot;accursed&quot;. I don't know about you but I don't get much chance to use that word in normal conversation: &quot;This morning, the accursed remains of last night's dinner were collected&quot;. view post

What is going on in Iraq? posted 26 June 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionWhat is going on in Iraq? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Jamara&quot;:2arifkod
Also, the Crusades were based on financial reasons, not religious. Religion was just the propaganda tool used on the people. Just like slavery was the propaganda used on the North during the American Civil War.[/quote:2arifkod]

I would strongly disagree with this statement. While no doubt they were victims of propaganda (religious and otherwise), what possible financial motivation had the children's crusades of the early 13th century; it was surely a manifestation of faith. Granted, there were financial winners from any particular crusade, but to mount a expedition to invade a foreign land must have been enormously costly and an argument against financial motives. Certainly, one of the things that we, as educated, secular modern citizens, can learn from the study of ancient and medieval histroy is the centrality of faith in the ancient world, and how decisive it was in shaping world views. It's something that is worth relearning now in the West's relations with the Middle East. view post

What is going on in Iraq? posted 27 June 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionWhat is going on in Iraq? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Randal&quot;:27ssh2wf
I'd argue with placing the Reconquista as part of the Crusades. I mean, sure, the label was used, but it was a very different beast. The crusades to the holy land were fought for mainly religious reasons and were strategically and tactically rather unsound due to the vast distances involved and lack of long-term commitment. (from a western p.o.v.)

The reconquista was very simply a part of the ongoing struggle between the Muslim invaders and the remnants of the prior visigothic occupiers. It was a plain old normal war, where religion was used by the christian kingdoms to give their troops' morale a good boost.

(far more relevant than the reconquest itself, in my opinion, was the later religiously inspired intolerance shown... spanish inquisition, anyone? Still, I don't think that can be blamed on the crusades either. There were plenty of christian crackdowns.)[/quote:27ssh2wf]

Just as an aside regarding the Reconquista, one of the sites to visit in Spain in Santiago de Compostela, which has the reputation of the 3rd most holy city in christendom, based the fact that is was here that Moors were finally stopped (Saint James &quot;Iago&quot; appeared to repel the invaders). view post

Akka and Kelhus will be the Greatest Ordeal posted 27 June 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Akka and Kelhus will be the Greatest Ordeal by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;shiva&quot;:36k4lnd7
In 20 years time Kellhus will had not only learned every Gnostic cant known to the Mandate, but have had the time to add a 2nd inutteral to the lot of them. Akka's my favorite character but he would have NO chance and he is smart enough to know this. Not only that but he'd not chance the world over his broken heart, if he was going to it would have happened at the end of TTT.[/quote:36k4lnd7]

This makes good sense; Achamian vs Kellhus sometime in the distant future is a non-starter. Besides, it would not only be Achamian vs Kellhus, it would be Achamian vs Kellhus + the rest of the Mandate. Achamian will probably rely (and continue to rely) on Kellhus' forbearance in the next 20 years; as a renegade sorceror he is damned twice over by his school and his prophet. In other words, unless Kellhus orders high level protection for Achamian, he (A) is likely to be assassinated. view post

Who was Kellus talking to? posted 28 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWho was Kellus talking to? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Nerdanel&quot;:t1levp2s
I think outside of the strict hierarchy of Ishuäl, the Dûnyain are natural enemies. I think it's like the Kellhus/Comphas clash that came to be because both were so similar. Kellhus and Comphas are both ambitious and charismatic manipulators of other people, and while Kellhus is plain better in every respect, Conphas is good enough not to be taken in by Kellhus's deceptions and to mount some plausible opposition.

I think the Dûnyain sent Kellhus fully knowing that Kellhus and Moënghus would never cooperate. One would kill the other. Either that, or one would manipulate the other from the shadows in order to gain a greater control over the world, since there are few tools more effective than a Dûnyain who thinks he is making his own choices...[/quote:t1levp2s]

The Dûnyain ostensibly sent Kellhus from Ishual to assassinate Moenghus. The Dûnyain left behind arguably had no way of knowing of whether Kellhus would succeed or not, or even reach an accommodation with his father. As far as we know, this uncertainty was not too troubling; Moenghus demanded that he be sent his son and would threaten Ishual's isolation otherwise; the Dûnyain obliged him but sent Kellhus as an assassin. For the Dûnyain Kellhus departure from Ishual was a sort of zero sum game; whatever the result they would neutralize Moenghus - possibly they are aware of the potential of Kellhus. view post

Nothing against female Fantasy authors but... posted 02 July 2007 in Literature DiscussionNothing against female Fantasy authors but... by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Chyndonax&quot;:2uws00lf
Am I the only one who has trouble getting into their works. It seems like every time I try and get into a book by a female fantasy or sf author I can't. It just isn't interesting at all to me.

Anyone else feel the same?

And Diane Duane is the exception here. She's a fun read.[/quote:2uws00lf]

Isn't Robin Hodd a woman? She writes excellent fantasy novels. And I forgot Ursula Le Guin, a very accomplished writer of SF (I don't think her fantasy novels compete); and there is Caroyln Cherryh, whose fantasy novels (the Tristan series in particular) are very readable. view post

Question about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* posted 03 July 2007 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Tar.Aldarion&quot;:39yb3qwd
This definitely does not seem to be Serwe's heart that he pulled out, I am confused by this, it all points to him pulling out his own heart, yet he does not seem to have the power of illusion.[/quote:39yb3qwd]

It is fairly clear that it was Serwe's heart; how could it be otherwise? view post

Are there female skin spies? posted 03 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAre there female skin spies? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:3it4bjix
Yeh - the height, build etc. But we are never told specificly how they get the face right - even a trained artist requires a model when painting a likeness - it doesn't seem too unlikely that copying the specifics of a face (which is ever the prime subject of scrutiny) would require some study/preperation. There are no examples of a skinspy copying one straight of the bat.[/quote:3it4bjix]

There is lots we don't know. But the mutilation of Geshrunni's face served a mundane purpose: that of security. Suppose a skin spy wanted to impersonate Geshrunni, he does so, and then Geshrunni's mortal remains are discovered the next day; cover broken. For the skin spy to function he must dispose of his model's remains - taking their faces concealed the impersonation. view post

Kellhus the God posted 03 July 2007 in The Warrior ProphetKellhus the God by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Tar.Aldarion&quot;:1cdyo2m5
You have to remember that the girls only like the consult in bed because of their insidious sorceries. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->[/quote:1cdyo2m5]

As I recall, the &quot;race of lovers&quot; were simply good in bed. Somewhere in WP it was mentioned that the Inchoroi had over 100 terms for different types of ejaculation. view post

Question about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* posted 04 July 2007 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Tar.Aldarion&quot;:3kzvlstc
Why is it clear? It is clearly said later that the Grandmaster of the Scarlet spires saw Kellhus pull out his own heart. He did not mention Serwe.
It also says he reached into 'his' chest doesn't it? Unless he is calling her his heart. However this is still not reason for The Grandmaster to definitely bthink that Kellhus is a prophet, which he does after seeing him pull out 'his own fucking heart'.[/quote:3kzvlstc]

Eleazaras also said something to the effect of &quot;that had to be a trick&quot;, which it surely was. Serwe's remains were mutilated by the Tusk faithful, which included Sarcellus, a dog on heat; I suspect they did a very thorough job. How could Kellhus, a man of sublime but mundane abilities, reach into his own chest and pull out his heart, even with the &quot;glittering abstractions of the Gnosis&quot; (which was not available to Kellhus at the time)? Maybe Kellhus utilized sleight of hand, which the psychic surgeons of our world do, to make it appear he was holding his own heart, as another trick for the rubes - Eleazaras could not quite believe it. And even if he did have the abillity, why should he do it after he had been almost scourged to death and crucified; would it have done anything for his circulation? view post

Are there female skin spies? posted 04 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAre there female skin spies? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Tar.Aldarion&quot;:jphqc291
It didn't really, as, Geshrunni was still easily recognised by the Scarlet Spires without his face and they never seem to take faces after that.[/quote:jphqc291]
And they recognized him by other means. Nevertheless, mutilation would have always been a good idea if a skin spy wanted to succeed in its imposture. Questions would be asked if the original's remains were recognized as I pointed out.

We have seen the skin spies copy a lot of faces where it does not look like much study was put in, they are probably good at what they do and just need to see the persons face. Kellhus mentions imperceptable changes in height and build but never that the face was any different.

Kellhus did just that for Skaeos(?), the Nansur vizier; of course Kellhus had never met Skaeos de jure before. Kellhus was able to detect the lack of facial musculature. The skin spies evidently do a very good job but they are not impenetrable to even a blind Dunyain. view post


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