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Drug Legalization posted 29 January 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDrug Legalization by anor277, Didact

Well there is at least one person here (me) that thinks all drugs should be legalised (and funnily enough I'm not too sympathetic to weed users - the hippy freaks!). The counter argument is that if all drugs were legalised, i.e. an open slather regime, there would be more addicts than at present; and indeed given the widespread availability of any drug currently this is a valid consideration. Nevertheless, for mine drug use is a personal choice - if you are addicted to a particular drug you should have it supplied safely and legally. view post

the emperor Ikurai Xerius III posted 08 February 2005 in The Warrior Prophetthe emperor Ikurai Xerius III by anor277, Didact

Maybe we’ll have to wait for Achamian, or Kellhus, or someone with a few brains and a scalpel to perform a proper autopsy on a dead skin spy – so far all the emperor's gofers or those of the Scarlet Spires have done is to cut off their heads. Then again, maybe they didn’t find anything remarkable about their bodies. view post

the emperor Ikurai Xerius III posted 09 February 2005 in The Warrior Prophetthe emperor Ikurai Xerius III by anor277, Didact

Whitelord wrote,

I put a question about them to Scott so let's hope he can give us at least a partial answer...

If you find out, please don’t post it here! (or at least put a spoiler tag on it) – asking Scott for the answer is a bit like looking up the answers in the back of the book, it’s just far too convenient for mine. I’d much rather speculate than have the definitive answer. Cheers view post

the emperor Ikurai Xerius III posted 01 March 2005 in The Warrior Prophetthe emperor Ikurai Xerius III by anor277, Didact

Originally posted by WhiteLord:
After all, Kellhus has single-handedly wrecked whatever hope the Consult had of smashing the Cishaurim, and they have already marked him for some really painful demise.

Ah, but has Kellhus actually wrecked the plans of the Consult, or has he advanced them? Certainly if the Consult wants to destroy the Cishaurim, Kellhus actions at Caraskand seemed to have preserved the crusade: (i) he forbore to start a civil war between his faction and the factions of the Great names; and (ii) he led the Holy War to an improbable victory over the last host (arguably) of the Fanim. In fact, if any skin spies survived Kellhus' pogroms (and at least Chepheramunni however you spell it did for a time), they might actually make overtures to Kellhus and offer an alliance (in good faith or not), and Kellhus may accept it (in good faith or not - certainly both sides would try to manipulate the other). view post

Tally of Evil Acts posted 07 March 2005 in The Warrior ProphetTally of Evil Acts by anor277, Didact

Just to reply to this thread (and I've been meaning to for weeks), I think that Xerius' willful, premeditated sacrifice of the so-called of the vulgar Holy War (the slaughter of all his co-religionists just as a bargaining chip against the Shriah and the rest of the Great Names' factions) is for mine the most evil act in the novel so far.

I recall Xerius himself (or was it Conphas?) felt like a god when he heard of the vulgar crusade's demise - the sacrifice of all those souls.....I'd never make such a good politician. view post

Tally of Evil Acts posted 08 March 2005 in The Warrior ProphetTally of Evil Acts by anor277, Didact

@Erthaelion, Thanks, it was Conphas as you say - nevertheless I feel that Xerius bears the ultimate responsibility for the vulgar Holy War, he planned it, he negotiated it, and he executed it.

As regards other "evil acts" I'd like to mention Serwe's father, who sold her into slavery at the age of 14, into god knows what rape and indignity. If the Three Seas suffer in the next few years under Mog or Kellhus, then by god some of them deserve it. view post

livin n dyin in TTT posted 24 April 2005 in The Thousandfold Thoughtlivin n dyin in TTT by anor277, Didact

I too do not think Iyokus is dead; certainly Achamian did not witness his death, at the time Akka was distracted by the demon Iyokus raised. I seem to remember Eleäzaras later mentioning the disaster at wherever it was and maybe Iyokus was the source of that information. Possibly Iyokus is still running from that demon.

I'm still waiting for some Mandate sorcerors to turn up at Caraskarand. view post

livin n dyin in TTT posted 30 April 2005 in The Thousandfold Thoughtlivin n dyin in TTT by anor277, Didact

Posted by Morgoth B

I have a strange feeling that the Zaudunyani will become a sort of Prophet's School- one impervious to chorae (seeing as Kellhus, one of the Few, cannot be harmed by the chorae as we've seen time and again; i.e. the ring bound by chorae, and another instance where he handled one). I think Achamian will surrender the Gnosis towards the end of TTT, as he watches the Mandate be utterly destroyed by new Consult weaponry.

Just regarding Kellhus sorcerous ability, he is indeed immune to chorae, but as far as we know his immunity derives from the fact that he is not yet a sorceror. There are apparently other sorcerously gifted individuals (the Thousand Temples' witchfinders, the college of Luthyae, Luthymae? are an example) who are also immune to chorae because they too have never practised sorcery - uttering a cant apparently stains both the Unta (whatever that is) and the individual who spoke the cant. (Of course Cishaurim sorcerors do not share the stain, but they are manifestly vulnerable to chorae - Mallahet's interview with the Nansur emperor for instance)

When Achamian tests Kellhus with the witch doll, he says to him words to the effect. "you won't be uttering a cant, you'll still be able to handle chorae without discomfort". In sum, all sorcery practitioners (not adepts, i.e. those who have never used their ability) are vulnerable to chorae (this includes Gnostic - Consult and Mandate - and Anagogic - Scarlet Spires, etc.- and Cishaurim sorcery) and a chorae holder is apparently reasonably invulnerable to direct sorcerous attack.

I agree with you that Kellhus' Zaudunyani may become the basis of a little Dunyain prophet school, and that Kellhus will learn the Gnosis from Achamian. What Kellhus makes of the sorcery, as Achamian alluded to in the "Warrior Prohpet" is another matter, and this is one of the very things I'm looking forward to in the next novel. The question I'd like to have really answered is, where do the Mandate fit into this? They probably have other agents than Achamian in the Holy War, and if you look on the map, their stronghold, Atyersus (? is that right) is not far by sea from Shimeh or where the Holy War is currently camped. When are they going to make an appearance? Who are they going to discipline? view post

error? posted 30 April 2005 in The Warrior Propheterror? by anor277, Didact

As far as I can recall, the incident with Serwe's heart had to do with the Inrithi ritual punishment for false prophets: Serwe, his wife, was killed and her corpse mutilated, Kellhus was beaten and scourged, and the false prophet his dead wife were bound together on a ring facing each other. The Inrithi are a nasty bunch of women haters, no wonder Fane had followers. view post

livin n dyin in TTT posted 30 April 2005 in The Thousandfold Thoughtlivin n dyin in TTT by anor277, Didact


I agree with your assesment. The point I was trying to make was that Consult sorcery is almost certainly Gnostic. Why? Because in Achamian's epic account of the rise and fall of the No-God, he mentioned that Golgotterath was "reactivated" by the ancient Gnostic school of Mangaecca (spelling is right I think for once - but no umlauts). Now the Consult, which probably includes Non-men, men, and Inchoroi (at least one or two), probably practises both sorcery and some science/craft/biotechnology, the Tekne? The old father, the bird man, an Inchoroi, was certainly a sorceror. On skin spies (Tekne products?), chorae were ineffective, they are demonstrably not magical creatures and indeed Sarcellus himself wielded a chorae to fend off the sorcerous attack of Inrau (a Gnostic sorceror). I think we may reasonably assume that chorae would be effective against Consult sorcery, especially as Achamian once laments the fact that against the now active Consult, humanity possessed only a handful of trinkets. view post

livin n dyin in TTT posted 01 May 2005 in The Thousandfold Thoughtlivin n dyin in TTT by anor277, Didact

Thanx Whitelord...

I hadn't realised that Scott had gone into such detail in his Q and A section on the origin of chorae. Maybe I should take a look at those threads.

You're dead right on the use of chorae on a battlefield. The gentry probably doled out a few dozen trinkets (certainly not more than a 100) to the expert archers and missile men among their clients, who were organised into a special company against sorcerors (cf the Thesji bowmen of the Fanim and the Scylvendi also had such a company). Of course, the gentry would retain one trinket for personal protection (cf. Xinemus had three, probably now lost in the wreckage of Achamian's escape). As you say, after a battle, the victors of the field would scour the paddock looking for loosed trinkets on arrows or bolts or quarrels (or on the bodies of fallen quality nobles) - on a pregunpowder battlefield this would anyway be standard behaviour for archers, slingers, missilemen (and the impecunious - a chorae would be a prized bit of loot).

We've gone off topic, but Cnaiur mentioned that his trinket was among a gift from the No-god to his people (this makes sense if the chorae originated from the Inchoroi and the rogue Non-men). Quite possibly, the Scylvendi probably possessed a lot of trinkets. They had never been defeated on the field and had 1000's of years history of looting and pillaging. After Kiyuth of course all those trinkets wold now be in the hands of the Nansur. view post

Should Kellhus learn the Gnosis? posted 01 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtShould Kellhus learn the Gnosis? by anor277, Didact

Just a question connected to chorae. Kellhus is a man of prodigal intellect and prodigal reflexes – no one we’ve seen in the Three Seas can compete with him intellectually or physically. It might be that his learning the Gnosis would complete the package (i.e. he would become the ultimate warrior/prophet/sorceror/sage) . Nevertheless by uttering a cant he would,
(i) earn the enmity of the laity (i.e. shades of “thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” etc. Censure of and sanction against sorcerors and witches seem to be fairly potent in the the Three Seas,
(ii) more importantly, he would render himself vulnerable to chorae. Of course Kellhus’ reflexes allow him to pick crossbow bolts out of midair. If he becomes a sorceror he will have to check that the arrows/quarrels etc directed at him in battle do not have a chorae attached.

Other temporal powers in the Three Seas (i.e. the Nansur Emperor, Maithanet – I know he is not temporal!) can hold office without exercising sorcerous powers themselves, indeed the Nansur emperor directs a School. So should Kellhus learn sorcery? view post

Chorae bowmen posted 03 May 2005 in Author Q & AChorae bowmen by anor277, Didact

Brady wrote

I think Mr Bakker has actually confirmed that Chorae bowmen are archers wearing Chorae, not archers loosing arrows made from chorae.

Which perhaps implies that contact with a chorae wielder lends an object the same magic-immune properties for at least a limited time.

Actually I recall him saying the opposite, and I think it is fairly clear from the novels that there has to be physical contact for the chorae to function.
That is, if you are holding a chorae you are immune to sorcerors' spells. To kill a sorceror, the chorae has to physically contact that sorceror. The chorae bowmen, wherever they are, actually loose, arrows, bolts, quarrels with the chorae mounted somehow on the shaft or the head of the missile i.e. attached. No contact, no effect. view post

Should Kellhus learn the Gnosis? posted 03 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtShould Kellhus learn the Gnosis? by anor277, Didact

@White Lord and sciborg2....

You've provided more 'filosofy' than I can handle. I am prosaic and materialistic. And I thought the original meaning of 'gnostic' was 'know thyself'.

Anyway, White Lord's suggestion that by the end of the next novel the people of the Three Seas might have undergone a drastic revision in their view of sorcery is for mine a good one and perfectly reasonable. And of course it has been foreshadowed in what we've actually read thus far. Achamian and Esmenet have already speculated whether it was blasphemy for a prophet, whom they perceive Kellhus to be, to sing the god's song, whereas it was apparently 'blasphemy' for a sorceror to do the same, hence the discordance, the 'wrenching of the intellect', when a sorceror utters a spell. Perhaps we'll see when Kellhus 1st utters the cant 'that halibut was fit for Jehovah'. view post

Chorae bowmen posted 03 May 2005 in Author Q & AChorae bowmen by anor277, Didact

Cu'jara Cinmoi wrote

Yeah, Chorae bowmen fire actual Chorae, either fixed on crossbow bolts or arrow shafts. I have no idea as to the aerodynamic feasibility of this, but hey! grant me a little suspension of disbelief! As others have said, Chorae are actually very hard to lose because of the Few's ability to see them.

Mr (Dr?) B, I don't think too much suspension of disbelief is necessary, even given that your novels are so imaginative. The missiles of pre-gunpowder antiquity in our world included armour piercing bodkins, smoke/fire arrows, even whistling arrows. I don't think a small trinket attached somewhere to the shaft or behind the business end of the missile stretches credulity.

PS your noted competitor Steven Erikson has described a high explosive device attached to a crossbow bolt in the Malazan series - I cannot conceive why the engineers of that world don't fix a much smaller explosive to their crossbow bolt to produce a musket, but then I can't write fantasy novels!

Edited for spilling. view post

Some Random Thoughts on TTT posted 22 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSome Random Thoughts on TTT by anor277, Didact

Kidruhil Lancer wrote:
As for Esmi's betrayal... the fact that she let Akka go so easily without even being sure that he was dead, and in so short a time too... really just makes me lose respect for her. Whore or not... she moved on pretty quickly. It wasn't just a bid to keep her place among the high and mighty... she gave herself body and soul to Kellhus. Honestly, I just can't look past that. And I doubt Akka will be able to either.

I think some of you are being a bit hard on Esmenet (Achamian is guilty of this as well for mine). Had Kellhus not taken Esmi as his lover after Achamian was taken, almost certainly Esmenet would have been dead like the other camp followers. Even Achamian, in extremis, said something like "Esmi, survive me". Well how did he think she was going to do that? The men of the Tusk did not admire her for her intellect. Kellhus, for all his faults and manipulations, did. view post

Help! (Erikson Books) posted 22 May 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionHelp! (Erikson Books) by anor277, Didact

@KL, if does not satisfy, you could always order from or The English and Canadian subsidiaries certainly stock the titles and it is relatively easy to have them shipped. I think even has the Night of Knives novella (but you might have to be quick and it's pricey). view post

The agenda of the skin spies and the Consult posted 24 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by anor277, Didact

Just a few remarks, I think it is certainly clear that the Cishaurim assassinated Sasheoka and not the Consult. Why? We have Iyokus recollection of the encounter, and he relates that the sorcery did not cause a “sound” or a stain on the Onta or whatever you wish to call it. Consult sorcery, as far as we know, is Gnostic, which certainly has a sorcerous stain.

By the same reasoning, it is also not possible for skin spies to be sorcerors. They are non-magical creatures that are indetectable to actual sorcerors, who would readily detect the mark of sorcery (at least the non-Cishaurim variety). view post

The agenda of the skin spies and the Consult posted 25 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by anor277, Didact

The notion that the Consult are trying to wrest the Psukhe from the Cishaurim (or that they are frightened by it) is a good one. It does not necessarily follow that they have created Psukhe wielding skin spies; if so it is equally likely that they have created Anagogic or Gnostic wielding skin spies - i.e. spies who could take the place of Eleäzaras, Achamian, or the Mandate elders (a potentially disastrous situation for the rest of the Three Seas and not really fair in terms of plot development). Until I see evidence otherwise I continue to believe that the skin spies are non sorcerous creatures. view post

The agenda of the skin spies and the Consult posted 25 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by anor277, Didact

@White Lord; Well, if I have not been misreading your posts, (and I do apologize if so), I certainly have not understood them. It's very hard to talk with confidence about sorcery when this is entirely a product of imagination. You argue that the Consult could produce made to measure constructs with the ability to use sorcery and so it could be anyone, any master of a school, any individual sorceror who might be an agent of the Consult. How can we judge the motives of Eleäzaras or Achamian or Moenghus (or soon even Kellhus) when for all we know the Consult turned him off the night before and replaced him a specially constructed creature? In that case all speculation is pointless and I would be disappointed with the internal logic of the novels (and perhaps I will be).

As to why the Consult can't create such creatures who use sorcery but could be exact replicas of whomever or whatever the answer is , "I don't know", and I am not going to find out why or why not by asking the author. The Consult are powerful, but if they are that powerful they are well nigh omnipotent. view post

Cnaiur's prowess posted 10 August 2005 in Author Q & ACnaiur's prowess by anor277, Didact

Just a pointer to the physical appearance of the Non-Men, during Achamian’s torment at the hands of the Scarlet Spires, he dreams of Seswatha’s torment at the hands of Mekeritrig (spelling) and mentions his (M’s) inhumanly handsome face. Mekeritrig was evidently a good sort. view post

Most cruel act yet? posted 19 August 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMost cruel act yet? by anor277, Didact

I cannot shed too many tears over Xunnurit or Achamian; for mine the most cruel act was Serwe’s family actually selling her at the age of 14 into God knows what rape and indignity. That this act seemed to be fairly widespread among the Norsirai families makes it all the more reprehensible. view post

Serious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... posted 14 September 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSerious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Erekassos Knerceannis":xkp43nk7
Unless, of course, Moenghus has found a way to change the color of his skin....... [/quote:xkp43nk7]

Yes, it's called dye, and Moenghus has used the expedient beforehand when he escaped from the Scylvendi. I further think that it is very good odds that Maithanet is a skin spy. view post

Olympos by Dan Simmons posted 14 September 2005 in ReviewsOlympos by Dan Simmons by anor277, Didact

I read both of Simmons' novels on a long plane journey recently (I was glad I had the books). Two quick critcisms, (i) like many of Simmons' novels I think he is trying to be too clever and too complicated, (ii) in Olympus did it gripe anybody else's ar$e that Hector had cut down both Diomedes and Aias? (This was something that was completely out of character with respect to the Iliad and where were Memnon and Neoptolemus?) view post

Like father like son? posted 28 October 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Tattooed Hand":2chot13d
.........We have to assume Daddy is tough as nails and will survive almost any circumstances. Plus, he is in a position of power, so we know he is somewhat protected.........[/quote:2chot13d]

I think the assumption that Moenghus is as hard as nails is very sound. He apparently survived enslavement at the hands of the Sranc. This even impressed the Scylvendi, who were his next captors view post

Like father like son? posted 31 October 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by anor277, Didact

Actually, Moenghus captivity at the hands of the Sranc, may even have a bearing on the plotline of the Thousandfold Thought. Here, I am idly speculating that Moenghus (as a dumb, witless, slave whose life continually hang by a thread) had a chance to observe the Consult, and perhaps hatch a plan to combat them.

Of course, we don't know how much insight Moenghus gained of the the Sranc or the Consult while he was their captive. Moenghus had been conditioned to read human faces; for the Sranc he would have to learn how to read a new "species". view post

Like father like son? posted 02 November 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Q. Sertorius":2jrhxqyb

That's absolutely brilliant. I remember reading that passage before but only thinking about the physical aspect of it. While it's entirely possible that Moenghus only interacted with Sranc, we finally have a plausible reason to consider him an enemy of the Consult. Amazing job.

Gosh I can't wait til TTT come out.


As a speculation it is reasonable (and someone may have made it before). The problem is we have no other evidence to support it. We have not seen the actual Moenghus yet and we don’t know the extent of his machinations. I think somewhere in PoN, Kellhus wondered how his Moenghus would have fared in a world of unconditioned humans, whom both he and his father could read like a book - Moenghus may be operating long, long term. And yet, if Moenghus is Mallahet, and certainly that is the general assumption, we are left to wonder how powerful a blind Dunyain could be (or are the Cishaurim truly blind?).

And TTT comes out in January? Shyte!!

edited for an extra point view post

Like father like son? posted 02 November 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Tattooed Hand":244inl5u
The Cishaurim are definitely not blind. Else how would the Cishaurim at the end of TWP have been able to spot Kelhus on the roof top and sail over to him. They see through those snakes around their necks.

The blinding (like so many mystic and shaman practices) is suppose to open a different kind of sight, which probably has something to do with being able to access the Puske (sp?) and why other sorcerers can't see it. And then they can somehow see through the snake's eyes.[/quote:244inl5u]

And is reptilian vision as good as human sight? I'd rather have my original two mince pies. The "mystical" granting of second sight involves a sacrifice, the loss of visual perception. I imagine that Moenghus went through his Cishaurim bar mitzvah with some trepidation. Anyway, this is all speculation. view post

Serious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... posted 03 November 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSerious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... by anor277, Didact

Maithanet as a Consult plant, i.e. as a skin spy, is also a likely scenario. It's hard to see him as an agent of Moenghus. view post

Serious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... posted 07 November 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSerious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Spamoram":2kl4ytdu

Also, the College of Luthymae numbers many of the Few who chose not to practice sorcery. Thus they are able to recognize sorcerous spies and and recognize if a person has been compelled by use of sorcery.[/quote:2kl4ytdu]

Inrau's status as a lapsed Mandati was a bit puzzling. I think one of the Inchoroi brothers said that he could not sense "Chigra" (i.e. Seswatha) within Inrau as he was being turned off. Inrau was an initiate and not fully immersed into the Mandate hierarchy - he must have never uttered a cant until the very last.

Likewise the College of Luthymae, all "potential" sorcerors who chose not to exercise their power, they did seem to function as the equivalent of the "Witchfinders General"; I suspect that they are a nasty bunch indeed, given the strictures against sorcery and divination. view post


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