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The Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Exactly! I haven't been able to figure that out. They'd had it so good among the Nansur. With Kellhus ruling the "Three Seas," that only leaves Sansor, Kutnarmu, Cingulat and Nilnamesh as sovereign nations. Granted they are in the Three Seas geographically, but I don't think they operate as a part of what is commonly recognized as "The Three Seas."

The other thing I'm trying to figure out is where the Circle of Nibel is located. I'm speculating it's in the South somewhere (i.e. Cingulat, Sansor etc.). Also, I think that since the Nansur have pretty much ceased to exist as a dominant nation; the Saik may become a solitary school again and thus, not care about the goings on of the Aspect Emperor.

The question becomes, how much control does Kellhus intend to wield over the Three Seas "improper?" view post


Mekeritrig posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Maybe not.

During his discussion with Seswatha in Dagliash, Seswatha was trying to convince him that he wasn't the "man" he turned out to be; that he could be "good" again despite his atrocities. This may suggest that Mekeretrig had a change of heart sometime between discovering the Ark and his meeting with Seswatha in Dagliash; at which point he was back on the Dark Side because he's an Erratic and thus can't help himself. view post


Water posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Can I just say that I loved this analogy from the first time I read it and haven't stopped doing so. I especially loved it when the Pshukari, closed with the Spires and taught them a thing or two about sorcery. Even Kellhus found himself pressed for survival during this battle with the last five Pshukari. Had they employed Wards during their battle with him I'm not so sure he'd still be alive. view post


Poll: What would you be in prince of nothing? posted 20 March 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionPoll: What would you be in prince of nothing? by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

A Cisharum from Nilnamesh, since we don't know of any schools in Zeum. I chose the Cisharum because I can see myself better through their &quot;eyes&quot; than cognitive schoolmen. So why, you ask, wouldn't I simply be Fanim? Because if I had the chance, I'd wager that my back could bare a lot of water. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> view post


Thousand fold thought ultimately flawed? posted 24 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand fold thought ultimately flawed? by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Unfortunately, we all know that that will not be the case. The Whore (of Fate) has a way of degrading him for the greater good. Circumstance will compel him to &quot;treat&quot; with Kellhus again, and prudence and the big picture will require him to do it as a servant instead of as the savior he is meant to be (and will be); remember Seswatha, who was no less than the world's savior the first time around was in the same position. He never got any recognition for all he did and yet he's the only reason Earwa continues to spin. Achamian will have to kneel subserviantly before Kellhus to stand defiantly against Tsurumah. view post


Top 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan posted 24 March 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionTop 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

While in a religion debate, you quote Prothathis:

&quot;All heaven can't shine through one crack.&quot;

And then have to remember to say that it's a quote from one of your favorite authors and not an ancient philosopher... like I almost did. <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> view post


DELETED posted 28 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDELETED by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Yes, but what about the unconquered parts of the Three Seas. Is he going to play &quot;colonialist?&quot; Sansor, Kutnarmu and Cingulat are soverign and primarily Pagan (non-Inrithi/Fanim); utterly unbeholden to what is generally considered the Three Seas and yet very much a part of it. view post


Best character posted 28 March 2006 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

I guess I'm the only one that preferred Simas; although I knew the truth about him after reading the first chapter. Irregardless, I found his combination of grandfatherly gentility and shrewd canny admirable to no end. I'd like to have that quality.

Akka actually got on my nerves a bit. Too conflicted on matters that require no conflict. How can you have that kind of power and purpose of being and still be so easily affected by the religious? Of all the people in Earwa, save the Dunyain, Mandate Schoomen have the Truth... and the power to back it up! How could he be so wanton?

I also liked Zenkappa. I'd like to know more about him, but TWP made it clear that that will never happen. view post


Outside, Dunyain, and the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle posted 07 April 2006 in Author Q &amp; AOutside, Dunyain, and the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

I have yet to understand why the Consult, Nonmen and Inchoroi alike, believe the writings of the Tusk. Each race predates it, so why all of a sudden, when it became a known text to them, did they think it relevant or true?

The same goes for sorcerers. If anyone should be an authority on what happens it would be The Few, and yet they buy into the same crap. I remember Akka saying in TDTCB, &quot;Though faith may die, her sentiments remain,&quot; (or something like that) but this is intolerable! Knowledge has a tendency to discourage delusion, and I can think of no knowledge more exhaustive, in the Three Seas, than Mandate knowledge. Even the Nilnameshi seem to have a working &quot;understanding&quot; of the many aspects of the Outside.

Scott, did you ever explain why the beliefs of both the Inrithi and the Fanim were so relevant to those three parties: Inchoroi, Nonmen and The Few?

Also, I noticed that the Satyothi are green-eyed. Very cool! Can you give us any information about their culture and whether or not they have a school among them? Or more importantly, give a crash-course understanding of thier philosophical beliefs, like you did for the Nilnameshi in WP.
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Water posted 11 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Um, I based that statement off of the entry in the book:

&quot;But Kellhus's Wards were failing, cracked and shattered by tempests of unholy light. No more Gnostic lines glittered out to assail the hanging Cishaurim. And Proyas realized that Kellhus could not win, that he could only cry out Wards lest he be swept away. That it was only a matter of time.&quot;

Hadn't Kellhus had to ability to teleport, he'd have died then and there. You could have sixteen inutterals and sixteen more utterals if you wanted, it wouldn't do you any good against the Indara-Kishauri. Their craft isn't based no cognition, it's based on an empathic awareness and relationship with the Outside/God. The greater the relationship, the more powerful the soul. That's why I was so moved by the Cishaurim, theirs is a power that goes beyond mere sorcery. I don't know what you would call them, but it's clear that they were more. RIP Waterbearers. <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: --> view post


Water posted 13 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Ah, but this is where I disagree mon frere. Depending upon what POV you are judging from, the matter can swing either way. If you're looking at it from a ordinary Earwans perspective then any medium that edits or manipulates reality by way of the esoterics is sorcery.

If you are, however, a practioner of such crafts, a theologian, or a philosopher you are likely to come away with a different opinion. Sorcery is largely based on meanings. Granted metaphysics is an important variable but by and large sorcery requires a cognitive approach. Given that fact I don't think that the Pshuke, in it's purest sense, can be considered sorcery. Though it can be augmented or used to sorcerous ends, see Moenghus, it almost completely lacks a cognitive approach.

This, I think, is why Akka mentioned once that he wasn't even sure that the Pshuke could be considered sorcery; neither it's intellectual approach nor its metaphysical approach follows the basic rules of what is commonly recognized as sorcery by sorcerers and/or other speculators in-the-know. view post


if you were in his shoes... posted 13 April 2006 in The Thousandfold Thoughtif you were in his shoes... by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Why would he have to &quot;take her&quot; to protect her from the slaughter that occured int the desert. Serwe is the one that had to be carried out of the Carathay, not Esmenet. Could he not have protected her without stealing her from his teacher. Note: When you purposely seduce someone to draw their mind away from they significant other it's stealing. The &quot;fact&quot; that Akka was &quot;dead&quot; is irrelevant. view post


Outside, Dunyain, and the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle posted 13 April 2006 in Author Q &amp; AOutside, Dunyain, and the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

And yet they are willing to close the world to the Outside. Why if not for fear of the &quot;truth&quot; of the scriptures? view post


Water posted 14 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Beautifully said Curethan. And I agree with you too EE.

Both your statements work toward my point. The cognitive crafts are limited to the intellect of the user; to the mind. The channlers are limited only by the strength and dept of their souls. It, theoretically, makes them limitless. This is what I meant by the Psuke being more than &quot;mere sorcery.&quot; Just my two ensolarri. view post


if you were in his shoes... posted 18 April 2006 in The Thousandfold Thoughtif you were in his shoes... by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

They have extremely long penises... seriously. I forget how many feet but I think it's like 8 to 10. Secondly this conversation is sinking fast, how about we give the free-falling sex talk a rest hmm? view post


if you were in his shoes... posted 18 April 2006 in The Thousandfold Thoughtif you were in his shoes... by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Is that sarcasm I sense... very well let me try again.

Were I in Akka's shoes I'd... uh....

Oh hell, who am I kidding I'd never be in Akka's shoes. I'm not that emotionally weak (as he was before the end) and I'm too selfish to put the world first and my anger second. The Spires would have burned as soon as I reached Caraskand, the &quot;prophet&quot; would burn soon after, that whore-wife of mine would choke on my... um, you get the idea, and the world would be f*cked!; Apocolypse be damned!

When you think about it, Scott simply had to write Akka as a weak person from the beginning otherwise the book would be TOTALLY different; many people would die early on. Geshrunni for threatening me, Proyas for provoking me, Esmi for boning other men, the entire Thousand Temples for killing Inrau (which is what I would have thought), and possibly Conphas and Xerius for being insolent. Then again, I probably would have died early on too. Can't possibly destroy the Thousand Temples, too many Chorae plus Conryia would be on my arse. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> view post


why can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? posted 18 April 2006 in The Thousandfold Thoughtwhy can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

I fear it's an inconsistency, which really irks me because it's a big one. view post


why can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? posted 18 April 2006 in The Thousandfold Thoughtwhy can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Entropic_existence&quot;:368cdxwb
An inconsistency in the same book? I dunno, I can't really see it and not one that big. I'm thinking there is an actual explanation for it such as either the person who talked about seeing souls was a)not telling the truth or b)mistaken. Perhaps it is not really souls they see. Anyway as I said at the first of this thread it would probably a good question to ask Scott himself.[/quote:368cdxwb]

Hopefully neither of those is the case since it was Scott who said they see souls. I'll post the question and see what happens. view post


Cisharum and Sight posted 18 April 2006 in Author Q &amp; ACisharum and Sight by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Sorry for posting an entirely new thread for this one question but...


If what the Cisharum &quot;see&quot; are souls, as you mentioned some time ago Scott, why can't all of them see the skin spies?

Or can they?

I ask because Kellhus presumed that Moenghus discovered them by noticing a peculiarity in the timbre of their voices. Was Kellhus mistaken? If not, then that takes me back to the first question.

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Kellhus's sorcery... posted 19 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

1. Kellhus is &quot;marked&quot;. Akka commented on it in TTT.

2. The Pshuke is largely inaccessible to Dunyain Few.

3. Cognitive sorcery recalls the god's mind not his voice.

4. Kellhus DID rip out his heart. Scott never said the statement was wrong just confusing. He ALSO ripped out Serwe's. To recap the removal of his own heart, read the musings of Eleazares in the beginning of TTT.

I have yet to understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp. Tribal peoples from South America and Africa have been temporaily removing their inner organs for quite some time, though the reasoning for it is lost to me; irregardless, it's not new. Scott just took it to the next level and made the removal permanent. view post


Anasurimbur Uncertainty/Agoraphobia Principle posted 20 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnasurimbur Uncertainty/Agoraphobia Principle by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:38h02qci
Umm how exactly is Seswatha a shaman? A shaman is a Prophet who practices sorcery Seswatha was just the Grandmaster of the Sohonc not a prophet at all.[/quote:38h02qci]

He meant Celmomas. Also...

Quote: &quot;n0g0d&quot;:38h02qci
&quot;Because you're a pious man born to a world unable to fathom your piety. But all that changes with me. Akka. The old revelations have outlived the age of their intention, and I have come to reveal the new. I am the Shortest Path, and I say that you are not damned.&quot; [/quote:38h02qci]

Kellhus was just lying when he said this. I mean... it's not really a lie, it's just deceiving. Kellhus is suggesting that HE is the reason Akka is not damned as supposed to the fact that Akka wasn't damned to begin with; sorcery does not a sinner make. view post


Cnaiur posted 20 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCnaiur by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Quote: &quot;avatar_of_existence&quot;:ni1hlm83
what about his 'final swazond'? Pride and Shame! If Cnaiur is Scylvendi, then Cnaiur is dead.[/quote:ni1hlm83]

Cnaiur isn't Scylvendi anymore. He is free, remember. There is no thought he cannot think, no act he will not commit. He, much like Kellhus to the Three Seas, is beyond our ability to predict. He is conditionally unconditioned; a self moving soul. The product of extensive Dunyain exposure and insanity. How beautifully ironic that he's accomplished what the Dunyain have been trying to for millenia. view post


Kellhus's sorcery... posted 20 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Primal&quot;:12gzkwzr
As regards his sorcerous powers, certainly it is not yet mature - he is unpractised and inexperienced though possessed of enormous potential. Achamian himself said that he (A) would have been able to overcome him (K) as a sorceror; and the Cishaurim primaries in concert were apparently more than his match on the occasion above. Doubtless Kellhus' sorcerours power will develop in the next few years under Mandate teaching - to the extent of surpassing his teachers (the Mandate quorum, as Achamian had warned them, are in for some interesting times).


The scene you were referring to with Achamian saying he would have been able to overcome him: this was before Achamian started teaching him actual cants, before Kellhus spoke with Seswatha.

Also, that battle against the Cishaurim already confirmed Kellhus's power. It is true that he will become more powerful.
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Actually this is incorrect. Aurang attacked Kellhus the same day Xinemus died. Recall that Kellhus had to use a Ward to protect himself from the lustful cants Aurang used. Akka refused to report to the Umbilica to be de-briefed on the Consult's attack BECAUSE of Xin's death which is when Kellhus went to find him and the event occurred.

Kellhus had long since spoken with Seswatha by the time Xinemus died. Also, it was once Akka hit the ground that he began canting noting that he could take Kellhus &quot;STILL,&quot; suggesting that despite what Akka had already taught him he wasn't powerful enough to kill Achamian yet. You are correct that that will change very soon; especially with the Mandate Grandmaster as his new teacher. view post


why can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? posted 20 April 2006 in The Thousandfold Thoughtwhy can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

What prophecy did Seswatha make? It's called the CELMOMIAN prophecy, not the Seswathan Prophecy. Seswatha never prophecied anything!

Also the definition of Shaman predates Seswatha. It was used to describe apostates in Eanna who discovered and practiced sorcery. view post


The No-God posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

I don't know if this has been said yet in this very long post but, when I think of Tsurumah, I think of Ciphrang. He is summoned from the Outside like the Ciphrang. His mere existence is anithetical to life (see Womb Plague) like Zioz was to the grass and general vegetation of the grounds on which he stood as he battled Achamian at the end of TTT. Akka mentioned that Zioz was no ordinary demon; that the Ciphrang's mark was like concentrated light. What am I getting at?

I think Tsurumah is an Avatar or spirit so old and &quot;aware&quot; that it might as well be an Avatar, however Avatar's are basically low-level gods (Demi-God) which explains why he is considered a god by his followers. I guess we need to define what a &quot;god&quot; is. view post


The No-God posted 02 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:2i1stjow
I still like to think that he is sensitive to the chorae which is one reason why he is encased in the carapace.[/quote:2i1stjow]

Indeed, that's what I assumed was to be understood when I first read it. Also as Anor pointed out, I don't think Mog is a demon per se, but a vary inherently malignent entity of that likeness; the anti-avatar perhaps? Whatever, I just wonder if what Kellhus said about Mog being angry at the Consult for failiing the first time is true... I doubt it. view post


Nilnameshi posted 02 May 2006 in The Warrior ProphetNilnameshi by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

I've not been able to figure out the Nilnameshi yet. They are dark skinned but not Satyothi (Zeumi) so they aren't &quot;black&quot;.

I was, in fact, recently lamenting the apparent lack of Asians and South Americans in Earwa, but maybe the Nilnameshi represent one of these; most likely the natives South America. Either that or Pacific Islanders, which would satisfy the Asian exclusion. view post


Nilnameshi posted 02 May 2006 in The Warrior ProphetNilnameshi by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

With regards to religion, I thought it was understood that they were Pagans. Especially after the discussion between Moenghus and Kellhus. As well as the conversation between Akka and Kellhus when Akka thinks to himself that Kellhus is speaking &quot;Nilnameshi foolishness&quot; with regards to his views on metaphysics. Did I create that out of thin air? view post


Nilnameshi posted 03 May 2006 in The Warrior ProphetNilnameshi by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Ah, I see. However I do remember Akka saying &quot;pagan Nilnamesh&quot; at some point; or rather thinking it. I think it was in WP though I'll have to check when I get a chance. Obviously the word &quot;pagan&quot; wouldn't have the same meaning to Earwa as it does to us. Thanks for the other info though. view post


The Future Dunyain of the Three Seas. posted 05 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Future Dunyain of the Three Seas. by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

That doesn't make you Dunyain. Being Dunyani is more than superior intellect and strength/reflexes, it's a genetic inheritance. The Dunyain have spent the better part of two millenia in the process of selective breeding. Interrupting that process with a specimen (woman) outside of the selective community means that you lose half of the capabilities that are inherent to that communities offspring.

Yes the Dunyain's child will be stronger, faster, and smarter than the average world-born child due to the genetic superiority of the father (as well as the extensive training the child will receive) but the kid will never be a true Dunyain; no amount of training is going to change that. view post


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