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Mog-Pharau Peralogue | joined 16 February 2006 | 38 posts


Worldhorn & Heron Spear posted 16 February 2006 in Author Q & AWorldhorn & Heron Spear by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Perhaps the Heron Spear was the only weapon that could bring down the No-God for mundane (non-sorcerous) reasons. The people of Earwa--Mena and Nonmen alike--seem to have a more or less medieval tech level, even Bronze Age at the time of Mengedda, with the exception of sorcery. If the No-God were immune to sorcery--which the glossary implies, what with the eleven chorae and all--that leaves them with only their swords and bows, which wouldn't seem to do much good against the thing that both you and I saw described. The Inchoroi, on the other hand, had space age weapons, and if the Heron Spear was the weapon of their king, it stands to reason it would be the most powerful. The whole thing reminds me justa little bit of the Gae Bulg. view post


Achamian [Spoiler] posted 16 February 2006 in Author Q & AAchamian [Spoiler] by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

I'd like to give my take, but as you've only read the first two...well, maybe post again after you've finished TTT and we'll talk. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 16 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Actually, Mithfânion, I believe we have seen the Heron Spear used:

A thread of silver light, swaying across the spiralling heights, flashing across the Carapace. A crack that made ears bleed. Everywhere, raining debris. The anguished wail of innumerable inhuman throats.


That's from TWP, chapter one, during one of Achamian's dreams of the confrontation at Mengedda.

As far as the hypnosis, perhaps Kellhus didn't speak to "Seswatha" at all. Maybe he just soothed Achamian's latent fears of giving him the power of the Gnosis. It's pretty murky, but I have a hard time accepting that the ancient sorceror is present in the Mandati in any form capable of conversation. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 16 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;zarathustra&quot;:1cws4on4
Man it's seriously disconcerting having Mog Pharau turn up on the Forum.[/quote:1cws4on4]

What can I say? I MUST BE HEARD.

Ent-Ex, as far as I can recall, Seswatha has exerted no overt influence on events in the books, being present only through the Dreams, where he simply plays out events as they happened over and over. I still find it a little hard to believe that Bakker would have him step forward and take a pivotal, active role while making the event itself so hazy and ambiguous.

Unless he's said so explicitly elsewhere here and I just haven't seen it. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 16 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

If Seswatha was keeping him from speaking during the torture, I think that would have been made explicit. Achamian didn't want to give up the Gnosis to the Scarlet Spires, independent of whatever Seswatha may or may not have willed. view post


Worldhorn &amp; Heron Spear posted 16 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

I'm thinking that the Heron Spear is just going to stay lost. The Scylvendi sack of Cenei and the Spear's subsequent loss is a nice "historical" touch, and seems like a good way to make it stay buried. view post


Anticipation of The Aspect-Emperor posted 16 February 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionAnticipation of The Aspect-Emperor by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

I agree. They are the most tasteful fantasy covers I have ever seen, with the possible exception of Black Blossom. It would be a shame to break that tradition. view post


Bad, bad book. BAAAD. posted 16 February 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionBad, bad book. BAAAD. by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Anythign by David Eddings. I don't recall how many I slogged through before I tossed them aside in disgust, and I was like 13. view post


Worldhorn &amp; Heron Spear posted 16 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Well, on that count, why even launch the Apocalyptic invasion in the first place? Think about it. The No-God stilled all births during his reign. To annihilate humankind, all the Consult really had to do was sit tight somewhere with the No-God and wait for all then existing humans to die. Why bother fighting and exposing your great weapon to possible destruction? Hubris?

Yes, not only do I think the Heron Spear will stay lost, I think it should stay lost. Although Kellhus's disposition vis a vis the Consult at the time of the Aspect-Emperor remains--to my mind--unresolved, it seems more likely to me that the conflict will revolve around stopping the No-God's resurrection rather than opposing it once reincarnated. Perhaps Kellhus will become its vessel? Rampant and, I admit, probably unjustified speculation. view post


Tentative Schedule posted 17 February 2006 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

When are you going to come down to Chicago? <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Some questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; ASome questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Yes, there are some references to moonlight, but you're right, it doesn't make a big impact on anyone. Regarding why the Inchoroi don't just manufacture a disease...good question. view post


Any Wolfe fans? posted 17 February 2006 in Literature DiscussionAny Wolfe fans? by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

I loved the Latro books and the Fifth Head of Cerberus. I read the first half of the New Sun, and someday I'll eat the whole thing. view post


Some questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; ASome questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

I thought that the concensus was that the Nail of Heaven was a pole star. At least, that's what I think about it. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

I don't find it hard to believe that the Inchoroi would be able to blend genomes, as we have already done the same. They can certainly either tinker with them or build them from scratch, witness the creation of the skin-spies.

On the other hand, once they crashed on Earwa, they were pretty much stuck with whatever they had on the Ark, so possibly they lost much of their technology and weren't able to recover it thanks to the primitive state of Earwan science. view post


Pixellated Map?!? posted 17 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtPixellated Map?!? by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

I also have the pixellated map, purchased from Amazon. Hey, maybe they'll be collector's items someday. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


what are the Inchoroi posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; Awhat are the Inchoroi by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Deleted and reposted in the TTT spoiler forum. view post


Inchoroi Origins/Aims posted 17 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

It occurred to me as I was reading that the Inchoroi might not represent an entire species, but an exiled portion of one. Perhaps their brethren on whatever world they come from were as disgusted with them as the Earwans are. That would suggest an "Ark as colony ship" idea, but the problem with that is that the Ark crashed and killed 99% of the Inchoroi on board, not exactly a desirable design feature in a colony ship. I hope this is an original idea, and not something I gleaned from TTT. I'm too tired right now to flip back through the book and look for myself. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

One thing I don't understand very well is why it is crucial that the Inchoroi kill Men to close the universe. There are at least two planets where life evolved, what about more? Does the conquest of Earwa represent the final stop of an eons-long war against every intelligent species in the cosmos, perhaps starting with their own (those who didn't agree with their philosophy)?

I originally posted this as a reply in the Author Q&amp;A section, and it doesn't really belong here because it's simply rampant speculation, but it also contains what is possibly a TTT spoiler regarding the motivations of the Inchoroi's war against Men. view post


Inchoroi Origins/Aims posted 17 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Right, I know why they want to do it, but I don't know what is so special about Men that killing them will seal the universe. view post


Inchoroi Origins/Aims posted 17 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Zarathustra and Kingmanor,

You both touch on my question. Maybe I really should post this in the Author Q&amp;A forum, though I doubt it will get a straight answer <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

The Consult is said to be attempting to seal off "the world" from the Outside, though I think we can safely substitute "the universe" for "the world," because it doesn't seem to make much sense on the surface of it that Earwa is somehow separate from the rest of the universe vis a vis its connection to the Outside. However, I don't discount the possibility that Bakker will make it make sense eventually.

I remember the water/paper scene. The question is, what is it that makes Men so special when it comes to linking the world to the Outside? Maybe nothing, maybe the Inchoroi have destroyed or nearly destroyed every other intelligent species in the universe. Nonmen sure don't seem very numerous. Then again, maybe this is another Tolkien parallel, with the immortal elves being spiritually distinct from the Men, whose ultimate destiny was unknown.

I don't have a very hard time believing in a critical density of humans necessary to maintain some kind of active link between the world and the Outside, sort of like a spiritual Schwarzchild radius. However, at the end of PoN I am not nearly as convinced of the existence of salvation or damnation as Kellhus (and presumably the Consult) are. Maybe that's the idea.

Thanks for the compliment, Z, by the way. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


Tentative Schedule posted 17 February 2006 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Don't take this as discouragement, but you might find it a bit hard to write books that are much better than PoN. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Worldhorn &amp; Heron Spear posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

There is a (somewhat weak, concerning the crushing and repeated victories of the Apocalyptic Consult) justification in the glossary regarding why the No-God took the field, but there is something else I don't quite understand.

Seswatha led Nau-Cayûti into Golgotterath in 2140 to retrieve the Heron Spear (it is also not quite clear to me why Seswatch needed N-C so much that he had to lie to get him to come). However, the No-God did not appear until 2143. How did Seswatha know he would need the Spear? Is it possible that the nonmen informed him specifically of the No-God's coming over twenty years prior to its occurrence? view post


Inchoroi Origins/Aims posted 17 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

That's the heart of my question. I understand the soul issue, and am not suggesting that the lesser animals of Earwa and beyond have any bearing on the world's relationship to the Outside. I was posing the question of whether other intelligent life in the universe--the Inchoroi or their perhaps annihilated brethren included--bears on the issue of Earwa's closure from the Outside. If the universe as a whole was contiguous with the Outside, that doesn't necessarily imply that it would be teeming with intelligent life, as ours doesn't seem to be. If the universe/Outside boundary is confined to Earwa, hwo would the Inchoroi have even known to come to Earwa, or for that matter even known they were damned?

I suppose this is an interesting question in its own right. How does the consult "know" what it knows about its own damnation? Is this simply a groundless belief? What evidence have we seen so far for the reality of damnation? It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that the Consult is just mistaken, as Scott has stated that they are degenerate (not in a moral sense, but in a sense of having once been greater than they are now). Did they come to Earwa "innocent" in a way of their "sins," and get converted by the Tusk? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


Worldhorn &amp; Heron Spear posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Ok, I can accept that resoning for Nau-Cayûti's presence. The more I read about the No-God, the less it seems like a simple tool of the Consult. Scott repeatedly attributes volition to it. It is not desribed as having been kept hidden, but rather as refusing to take the field. The best reason I can think of for not simply staying well out of sight for good and all until all Men die from natural causes (and hang what happens to the Consult) is that it requires sustenance. It was, after all, the Angel of Endless Hunger. Of course, if true this poses its own problem of what it was supposed to do after all the Men were dead. I suppose Seswatha may have had some intel that the Consult was summoning some sorcery-immune titan and reasoned that the legendary Spear was mankind's best hope, but of course this is all off-page reasoning on our part. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Tentative Schedule posted 17 February 2006 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Slaves are a dime a dozen. Crunch all ya want, we'll make more!

The Hobbit was a much smaller work than LotR, and if what I've seen here is true, Aspect-Emperor will be a dualogy (something not often seen; with the exception of Gene Wolfe--who seems to have a fetish for the things--the only dualogy I've seen was the Silver Call by Dennis McKiernan). Maybe AE's volumes will each be 2000 pages long? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 17 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Ok, Kellhus's exploits are fascinating and all, but I have two favorite moments, at least right now. Keep in mind that I am fresh out of TTT, and if I reread I reserve the right to change my mind. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

1.) Cnaiür's speech before the Battle of Joktha. That is seriously one of the most stirring things I have ever read.

2.) The joke that the Kianene "forgot their blood" during the Batlle of Shimeh. Honestly funny jokes that seem spontaneous are hard to come by in fiction. view post


Tentative Schedule posted 17 February 2006 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

There is going to be a series after Aspect-Emperor?! I haven't been hangin out on these boards too long. view post


Tentative Schedule posted 17 February 2006 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Arg, if the Aspect-Emperor isn't going to deal with the Second Apocalypse, what is it going to deal with? Don't pull a Jordan on us, man! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

A Cûno-Inchoroi Wars book would be super cool, though. view post


Back-er or Bake-er? posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; ABack-er or Bake-er? by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

The subject sez it all...I love to recommend your books to others (and in fact I have gotten one friend to read them so far), but when doing so I always stumble over your name, usually giving it both pronuciations in turn. I figured if anyone would know, it would be you. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 18 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

All right, I concede. It does seem likely that Seswatha exerted some kind of influence over the Mandati to keep them from spilling the beans. view post


Just finished TTT posted 18 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Hmm, I think I'd prefer reading directly about the Cûno-Inchoroi Wars than about the First Apocalypse. After all, we get a ton of insight into the First Apocalypse through the Dreams, but we don't get anything about the CIW. Hey, it could be your Silmarillion. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


The No-God posted 18 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

So you don't believe the chorae in the Carapace are there by design? view post


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