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Some questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q & ASome questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. by Linnea, Candidate

Hello, Scott and everyone else on the board (especially the nice people who posted about the PoN on the ASOIAF-messageboard,making me aware of it`s existence).

I have managed to get my hands on and read tDTCB and tWP and now, having only spoilers from this board to help me pass the time until I get tTT,half a year after everyone else probably ,the price I pay for living in Sweden and not the wonderful country of Canada where people actually get to meet Scott and talk to him and post about it on messageboards and...well,nevermind,I thought I might ask some questions that I have been pondering,so;

1.Does Earwa have a moon?I can`t really remember any reference to one but I might simply have missed it.

2.As I understand it,the Consult /Inchoroi have enough understadig of genetics etc. to create the skinspies so wouldn`t they also have the ability to create say,a highly contagious disease,spread it and lean back and wait for it to do the job?Even if some humans are likely to survive the Consult would be very much closer to their goal and have an easier time finishing off the rest,especially since the sorcery in Earwa doesn`t seem to be used to/be able to heal people and the earwians certainly doesn`t have any deep knowledge of combating disease.

3.A continuation of the second question,why don`t the surviving Inchoroi create more of their kind?It`s unclear to me if they actually have any gender in their original forms or how they reproduce, but as long as they have the genetic material couldn`t they use the Tekne and create some "mini-inchoroi"?Or do they prefer to be the only ones of their kind?How do they percieve each other?Aurang refers to the other surviving Inchoroi as his brother, so it would seem that they have a concept of kinship,but do they like to err,spend time together?
Did they try to create an Inchoroi-Nonman hybrid?What about an Inchoroi-Human one?I was thinking of their habit of hmm, practicing safe sex.It seems a bit unnecessary,at least for the one at the end of tWP,unless they are taking a moral stand or something. <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->

4.Since there are no sorceresses in Earwa,only witches,I was wondering.what is their magic like?Is it anagogic or something else?What do sorcerers think about them?When Leweth speaks about them he says that they"harness the wild agencies asleep in earth,animal and tree."That seems quite different from the sorcery we have seen so far.I`m also curious about Akka`s "witch-doll".Is this something similar to what the Consult use to make the synthese?Would it be possible to bind a soul to acorpse or an animal ?Would the soul be able to exert any influence over it`new "home"?Did Seswatha bind his soul to the Mandate school in some way?And if the Ciphrang are in posession of the souls of the dead, could you summon one and have it "hand a soul over" as it were?

4.And finally,what is Conphas´ haircolour?(Poor Conphas,I`ll miss him,he`s like the Sansa Stark of the Three-seas <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: -->)

Well,thank you for your time and I hope my Enlish isn`t to difficult to uderstand (or badly spelled). view post


Some questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; ASome questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. by Linnea, Candidate

Hello, Scott and everyone else on the board (especially the nice people who posted about the PoN on the ASOIAF-messageboard,making me aware of it`s existence).

I have managed to get my hands on and read tDTCB and tWP and now, having only spoilers from this board to help me pass the time until I get tTT,half a year after everyone else probably ,the price I pay for living in Sweden and not the wonderful country of Canada where people actually get to meet Scott and talk to him and post about it on messageboards and...well,nevermind,I thought I might ask some questions that I have been pondering,so;

1.Does Earwa have a moon?I can`t really remember any reference to one but I might simply have missed it.

2.As I understand it,the Consult /Inchoroi have enough understadig of genetics etc. to create the skinspies so wouldn`t they also have the ability to create say,a highly contagious disease,spread it and lean back and wait for it to do the job?Even if some humans are likely to survive the Consult would be very much closer to their goal and have an easier time finishing off the rest,especially since the sorcery in Earwa doesn`t seem to be used to/be able to heal people and the earwians certainly doesn`t have any deep knowledge of combating disease.

3.A continuation of the second question,why don`t the surviving Inchoroi create more of their kind?It`s unclear to me if they actually have any gender in their original forms or how they reproduce, but as long as they have the genetic material couldn`t they use the Tekne and create some "mini-inchoroi"?Or do they prefer to be the only ones of their kind?How do they percieve each other?Aurang refers to the other surviving Inchoroi as his brother, so it would seem that they have a concept of kinship,but do they like to err,spend time together?
Did they try to create an Inchoroi-Nonman hybrid?What about an Inchoroi-Human one?I was thinking of their habit of hmm, practicing safe sex.It seems a bit unnecessary,at least for the one at the end of tWP,unless they are taking a moral stand or something. <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->

4.Since there are no sorceresses in Earwa,only witches,I was wondering.what is their magic like?Is it anagogic or something else?What do sorcerers think about them?When Leweth speaks about them he says that they"harness the wild agencies asleep in earth,animal and tree."That seems quite different from the sorcery we have seen so far.I`m also curious about Akka`s "witch-doll".Is this something similar to what the Consult use to make the synthese?Would it be possible to bind a soul to acorpse or an animal ?Would the soul be able to exert any influence over it`new "home"?Did Seswatha bind his soul to the Mandate school in some way?And if the Ciphrang are in posession of the souls of the dead, could you summon one and have it "hand a soul over" as it were?

4.And finally,what is Conphas´ haircolour?(Poor Conphas,I`ll miss him,he`s like the Sansa Stark of the Three-seas <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: -->)

Well,thank you for your time and I hope my Enlish isn`t to difficult to uderstand (or badly spelled). view post


Some questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; ASome questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. by Linnea, Candidate

Erm,I seem to have posted this twice <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> .I´m really sorry and if someone cuold please delete the second one I would be very grateful.I´d try it myself but it`s my first posting ever and god only knows what would happen... view post


Some questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. posted 18 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; ASome questions about the moon,witches and the Inchoroi. by Linnea, Candidate

Hi again,

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions everyone.I thought the Consult were showing some "gaps" in knowledge and the reason is interesting.I find the Inchoroi fascinating and was impressed with Scott`s ability to depict them.
Despite Aurang appearing as a man when visiting Esmi he [felt] quite alien,as if not quite human impulses and thoughts were expressed through a human form.Not only that something human was lacking but that something "other" was present,if that makes any sense.
One of the things that interested me about the PoN in the first place was the blend of sf and fantasy elements.
I feel that it diffuses the nature of Earwa and creates a greater ucertainty about the "paradigm of thought" that it`s built upon.
Some ideas seem more often expressed in sf than fantasy and vice versa so it`s nice to see them interact(even though I have to come to this board and read people`s discussions to understand what the interacting ideas actually are) <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> .

As for Conphas,that`s just the price you have to pay for writing good books Scott!
And I still have Akka and Iyokus to cheer on in tAP, though judging from the spoilers I read, probably not at the same time <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> . view post


Was Cnauir gay? posted 22 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Linnea, Candidate

Well I haven`t read tTT yet so I can`t comment on Cnaiur`s behavior in it or his "tender night" with Conphas (though I believe there is some discussion about it on the asoiafboard,mostly about wether Conphas`reaction is believable or not ,wich I suppose is also interesting when it comes to discussing readers reaction to [male] rape as opposed to the in fantasy more commonly depicted rape of women)
but I do feel that Scott choosing to make Cnaiur gay helped me in connecting with the character.So much of Cnaiur`s nature is alien to me, and reading the pov of a rapist actually musing on his rapes and that without mentioning childmurder,abuse and all the other things Cnaiur passes the time with,is sometimes close to being too much.
The fact that he is in a sense a victim himself both to Moenghus but more importantly (I think),to the culture he was raised in and the values of that culture "offsets" some that.

I suppose that it`s part of what the PoN is all about, how permissive a given society is to those who diverge in some way.

It was quite surprising to me when I first read this thread that so many had read Cnaiur as straight though.Rereading the books I can see that it isn´t so clear and it makes me wonder why I just assumed that he was gay and that,indeed, he and Moenghus did have sex.
I would like to say it`s my amazing perceptivness to subtle clues or because I´m just so in tune with Scott`s mind but then I also thought that Cnaiur and Khellus would have sex on that beach or Cnaiur and Proyas or... Well,a lot of things that didn`t happen.(Maybe I should stop visiting all those slash pages <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> )
I wonder if being a woman makes me more prone to that kind of interpetration?Considering that "masculinity" is not such an important concept to me(thinking about the Achilleu`s problem mentioned above)or perhaps I´m the only woman to think this way <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> .
Come to think of it,it might be interesting to find out why all those slash sites are mostly made by women. <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->

And now I think I`ll just go off by myself and come up with something deeper to post about the perception of masculinity in our culture as opposed to among the ancient greek,hopefully I will be back...
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Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Linnea, Candidate

Yes I wondered about that myself.
Even if the Inchoroi actually had two different genders and only one remains it seems like cloning one of them wouldn`t be too difficult to do half-forgotten Tekne or not.Surely easier than making the skinspies and they had that ability at atleast one point in the past.
Not wanting to bring any more souls into the world is a reason but with the millions of humans already present it`s hard to see what difference it would make.
Regarding the description of Aurax in tWP he certainly seems very alien but at the same time isn`t a bit strange that he would have the "male equippment" needed so to speak?
Someone on the board mentioned that the appendices say that the Inchoroi "birthed mouths" to speak and this made me think about the second face that Aurax has, is it possible that it is his original form but slightly modified rather than a synthese?
The question of infighting among them is interesting and makes me wish we knew more about how they relate to each other.When they call someone a prince of the Inchoroi or their brother, is that what they actually [mean] or an attempt to express themselves in human terms?
And how does a bunch of sexcrazed maniacs on crack actually build and mantain a civilization capale of spaceflight?
I mean,we never get to see the two brothers interact but they can`t treat each other the way they treat others,can they?Perhaps this has something to do with what Scott said about them possibly being erratic [before] they left their home planet <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->. view post


Just finished TTT posted 27 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Linnea, Candidate

Fanim your not the only one!

And I`m glad you took the time to post,I was beginning to worry I was alone in cheering the Inchoroi on.It`s not their fault that the outside is full of chthulu-like entities intent on torturing them for eternity and yes, a bit of tolerance from the nonmen would have gone a long way.

When it comes to the fanim reading crusaderbased stories always makes me a bit sad.My father was from Iran and even though I think of myself as swedish I often find myself rooting for the "middle- eastern"based culture.
Perhaps because they are so often depicted as "the other".
Not that I don`t think that this was Scott`s intention,to ask questions about how we percieve and relate to other cultures,but it would be nice to see something different once in a while...

About Conphas you are lucky if he`s the only one you will miss!
Eleazaras,Zin,Cnaiur all the characters I was really interested in and they are all dead.I even liked Serwe more than Esmenet!
Strangely,this happens quite often.It`s like I just know who is going to die and start rooting for them.And it`s sad every time.
I guess this means that Iyokus will die in tAP... view post


Was Cnauir gay? posted 28 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Linnea, Candidate

Yes exactly,I think of it as a cross between ordinary fanfiction and verbal porn(though I suppose that not all of it is really porn).It`s funny you should mention Harry potter because that`s how I first became aware of it in the first place.It was a link from the asoiafboard I think.
Before that I didn`t even know what fanfiction was,and I still find it a bit strange and sometimes (as in the aforementioned use of child characters) creepy.
What makes me wonder about it is that all of it seems to be written by women.I mean,if it`s basically porn written by women for women why is it about men?
I just seem to have an unhealthy fascination with finding out why,when for perhaps the first time, sexual fantasies are expressed by women in a female-dominated environment, so many of those fantasies seem to involve combing through novels/TV-shows/etc. looking for clues to male-on-male attraction.
I did read an interesting article about the expression of female sexuality in Japanese litterature that mentioned how many romances targeted towards adolescent girls feature romance between men.
It made me think that perhaps it`s comparable to the infamous "rape-fantasy" that some critics feel springs from the desire of some, often young, girls to "absolve" themselves of feeling sexual desire,since many societies seem to see it as the mark of a whore.
Only I don`t know what removing women from the equation would mean.No competition?No judgement of female attraction or behavior?The opportunity to see two hot men make out before a woman shows up to fix the shower?Who knows?I probably shouldn`t even be reading this.
In fact,I`m going to find help for this,yes,that`s what I`ll do.I`ll find help and when I come back I will be a shiny new poster,without these strange impulses,I have to go now... view post


Was Cnauir gay? posted 28 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Linnea, Candidate

Hi Entropic Existence,

I feel the same way.Normally I`m all for expressing yourself and I try not to be judgmental just because I don`t like something, but involving children (even fictional children)in an erotic context is too much for me.
I feel it crosses the line between private fun and well,something else.

So people actually study fanfiction?I know that it`s usually considered to be silly, even embarrassing but it says quite alot about at least some readers.
At first I found the notion of writing about someone elses characters or world to be almost "wrong" and certainly strange because when I think about, for example,the people in the PoN I think about them as existing through Scott,being made "real" by his mind if that makes any sense,and suddenly,they are being made real by the mind of others!
I´m probably overanalyzing but I sometimes feel that a piece of writing is something that is made up half of the writer and half of the reader,that it is eerm,"created"again when someone reads it,only not in the same shape.
So,in fanfiction I´m looking at some other readers "shape"and maybe instead of one writer and one reader it`s now one writer and two readers in the conversation, or two writers and one reader, I`m confused...
And it`s probably even more weird if you`r the writer.

Fanfiction seems like a parallel universe,filled with a lot of could have and should have and would have...And flamewars about character interpretations and how there always seems to be some evidence for why character X is character Y`s true love nevermind that they kill each other in the original and so on. view post


Why are Kellhus and Moenghus of the Few? posted 28 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWhy are Kellhus and Moenghus of the Few? by Linnea, Candidate

Didn`t he also say that the genetic inheritability is much stronger among nonmen?Since the Anasurimbors have nonman blood that might mean that all of them have been born to the few since that time.
Hmm,maybe Kellhus won`t age as quickly as other men. view post


Characters in Aspect-Emperor posted 02 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCharacters in Aspect-Emperor by Linnea, Candidate

Didn`t it say somewhere in tDTCB that Maithanet was from Nilnamesh?
I think Nilnamesh is spoken of as an inrithi nation,or perhaps I´m just imagining things now in my desperation for the tTT appendices.

And yes,I hope Kellhus doesn`t dominate the narrative too much in tAP.I find him well written (the first scene describig his journey from Ishual through the woods still remains one of my favorite parts)but not all that exciting.
I keep waiting for him to get some personality I suppose.Plus he talks an awful much...I don`t know how Esmi does it,perhaps she just tunes out his voice and rests her eyes on that fine physique... view post


Kellhus, his divinity, and his &quot;good guy&quot; status. posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his &quot;good guy&quot; status. by Linnea, Candidate

Yes,I excuse Cnaiur a lot because of his mental illnes but if the Inchoroi are aliens,do we even know if they are capable of what most humans would consider an ethical behavior?
If "fault" is something they only learned about after coming to Earwa then perhaps their own thoughtprocess is quite like their creations.They still might only understand such things as intellectual concepts and be incapable of any true understanding.Not that that would make them more fun to meet...

I`m not bothered about Kellhus ruling the Three-seas,sociopath or not.For the average person I don`t think it would matter,they aren`t going to meet him personally,they would probably suffer more if he were a bad administrator or something.
But I´m not sure he would bother changing the society of the Three-seas very much.Is slavery and the subjugation of women really that less effective,at least in terms of fighting the Consult?
I can see him instituting training for all born to the Few wether they were women or slaves since a sorceror is so useful but why would he object to the mistreatment or inequality of people in general?
His own position is a feature of an unequal society and he wold probably e better served if people obeyed their betters so to speak.
Also,even if he wanted to change these things,would this really be the right time?Fighting the Consult and affecting world spanning societal changes at the same time seem a bit much.And then there are economic changes,and protests from those who benefit from the current society.
I´m sure Kellhus could do it if he really wanted to but it seems like it wouldn`t be worth the effort.
I don`t know but hopefully Scott will write almost at the speed of light... view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 10 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Linnea, Candidate

Is there any mention of sorcerors in Zeum in the appendix?
If not perhaps that is where the Circle is from,Scott might be saving them for the AP. <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: --> view post


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