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Question about Inchoroi posted 08 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q & AQuestion about Inchoroi by unJon, Auditor

Hi Scott, Loved all the books. Not disappointed at all by the end of TTT. Definitely eagerly anticipating AE. I had a quick question about the end of TWP where the Sranc and Inchoroi are torturing the men to find out about the Dunyain. Was that the Inchoroi "in the flesh" or a Synthese? Thanks view post


posted 10 Feb 2006, 06:02 in Author Q & AA question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) by unJon, Auditor

I wonder if the Inchoroi are "erratic" for the same reason (longevity). They live so long and their minds can only hold so much. Or I wonder if they can remember everything but are just "naturally" such a species of "lovers." view post


posted 10 Feb 2006, 20:02 in Author Q & AA question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) by unJon, Auditor

Entropic, I guess I wasn't very clear. I agree that the erratics are different (and seek different things) than the Inchoroi. What I mean to speculate about was whether the Inchoroi also had problems about their minds not being able to contain their memories. Option 1: by their nature or through the Tekne they have managed to enlarge their minds to the point that their long lives don't drive out most of their memories. Option 2: Like the non-men erratics, the Inchoroi have the problem of having a bunch of memories forced out. For the erratics its the trauma that is left. What would be left for the Inchoroi? Since their minds are fundamentally different from the non-men what would be the longest-lasting memories for them? Moments of extreme pleasure in torturing and destroying others? Moments of intense fear when they come in contact with the Outside? Whatever it is, I imagine that if they suffer from "selective memory loss" then it would impact how they behave today. It would be different than how the erratics are but a similar phenomenon would be occuring with possibly predictable results. I could (perhaps) see Bakker playing with this parellel in AE. Just my $0.02. :D Anyone have any ideas about my Inchoroi question a few posts down this forum?? view post


posted 12 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtPixellated Map?!? by unJon, Auditor

Yeah, mine is messed up also. view post


posted 12 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by unJon, Auditor

great catches. view post


posted 12 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtfuture of PON by unJon, Auditor

From what I recall (in a Bakker interview that I cannot now locate) is that he thought that AE and the series after that would both be duologies. He also has a stand-alone that he might write about the non-man/Inchoroi wars. view post


posted 13 Feb 2006, 02:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMoenghus the Harbinger by unJon, Auditor

There is no harbinger. What comes before determines what comes after. There is no prophecy. view post


posted 13 Feb 2006, 20:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions about Iyokus by unJon, Auditor

We're not even sure how many other SS survived. He might have become grandmaster by default. view post


Dunyain and Technology posted 13 Feb 2006, 21:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDunyain and Technology by unJon, Auditor

I realize that this is a fantasy book so that some/all of this speculation should not apply because it is not the [b:3iknqelg]real world[/b:3iknqelg]. With that qualification, I still think it would be interesting to have a discussion about why the Dunyain do not seem to have advanced technologically. The've been chilling in Ishual for 2K years and have spent that whole time breeding for intelligence and investigating the relationship between cause and effect. The obviously haven't stumbled onto quantum mechanics or they would realize that they could not really figure out how what comes before determines what comes after. On the other hand, they have advanced notions of psychology and neuro-science. e.g. Kelhus and the hypnotism of Akka; the neuro-puncture of the defects. Kelhus in TDTCB notes that in Ishual you often know exactly what path a falling leaf would take. This would entail some sophisticated understanding of gravity, air resistence, and thermo-dynamics. Given the pervasiveness of elector-magnitism in the cause/effect relationship for most observable phenomenon, I'm surprised that they haven't stumbled upon electricity yet. More generally, I wonder that they don't have a scientific branch runing experiments in physics and chemistry, discovering Relativity, etc. I would think that such research would pay big dividends in the Logos. Just some careful observations of the motions of the planetary bodies would confirm that Netownian physics is lacking in some respects. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions about Iyokus by unJon, Auditor

I wonder about the gnostic summoning of the outside agencies. Do the Outside forces resemble 'creatures' as they do in the Daimos. My hunch is that they are just vast sentient forces that are not anthropomorphic. That would parellel well with the differences between the sorceries in their other aspects. view post


Akka and the Ciphrang - TTT spoilers posted 14 Feb 2006, 06:02 in Author Q & AAkka and the Ciphrang - TTT spoilers by unJon, Auditor

Hi Scott, I was wondering if you could clarify how Akka survived his battle against the Ciphrang at the end of TTT. I found it curious that Akka never questions the how of his survival during his POV chapter at the end of the book. The current speculation on the boards range from the extremes of his skin-ward was strong enough to save him even while he was unconcious to Iyo must have died (so its a fake at the end of TTT) to Iyo never told the Ciphrang to kill him, just to 'scare him' so that Akka would know that Iyo should not be messed with. I guess that I am weakly in the skin-ward camp solely based on the fact that we do not see Akka curious about his survival. But I hoped that you would clear it up. Thanks view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 06:02 in Philosophy DiscussionThings I will not accept in an argument by unJon, Auditor

Hey Quinthane, Check out [b:2jvqsu2s][url=http://www.slate.com/id/2129105/?nav=tap3:2jvqsu2s]this article[/url:2jvqsu2s][/b:2jvqsu2s] for an interesting take on the word literally. Btw, ironically, you 'misused' literally in your sentence, but I guess that was on purpose. My pet peeve is when people use "slippery slope" as an argument against something instead of as a reason to set up a careful set of rules for how to do it. I also hate [i:2jvqsu2s]ad hominum[/i:2jvqsu2s] attacks. An argument should stand or fall on its own, not on its orator. And I definitely concur with those above that I cannot stand those who have already made up their mind. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 07:02 in Philosophy DiscussionIs Education the Magic Bullet? by unJon, Auditor

Education is always beneficial but will never be an ultimate, stand alone solution. Even educated people make heuristic based mistakes such as framing errors and unrealistic optimism. See the immense economic literature of Prospect Theory. Also, as long as people are self-interested there will be a need for regulation to prevent negative externalities. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 23:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDunyain and Technology by unJon, Auditor

Alright here is my current (pretty out there) speculation. Inchoroi - know about the Tekne but they don't have the current knowledge about it that they used to. They can't make e.g. more energy weapons or Wracu. Dunyain - incredibly smart but never applied the knowledge to hard science like the Tekne because (for whatever reason) they never stumbled across it. Sounds like a marriage made in heaven (hell). If the Inchoroi stumble onto the Dunyain and expose them to the Tekne I can see the Dunyain being able to reclaim a bunch of the lost arts. What do you guys think? view post


posted 15 Feb 2006, 07:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Architect = Shaeonanra / Shauriatas by unJon, Auditor

Don't have the books in front of me, but I thought that there was a glossary entry on Architect that could decide this issue (or not if it is ambiguous). view post


TDTCB Prolouge posted 15 Feb 2006, 17:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtTDTCB Prolouge by unJon, Auditor

I just re-read this. Did anyone else notice that the whole mentality of the pedofile (and later the Anasurimbor victim) of "There are no crimes when no one is left alive," merges perfectly with the motivation of the Consult? I just thought that was very well done. A great thematic bone right in the beginning. view post


posted 15 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? by unJon, Auditor

The last 3 or 4 pages of TTT were amazing, IMO. I got goose bumps reading them. Akka finally saying fcuk it and standing up to Kellhus. And Kellhus's response was classic. It made me wonder if his prediction/commad was correct. My guess is that sometime in the AE, Akka will again be in Kellhus's presence...will he kneel? view post


posted 15 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? by unJon, Auditor

Good catch on the previous reference to kneeling. I didn't mean how Kellhus made the statement but rather whether it was an accurate or inaccurate prediction, in the sense of whether Akka will actually kneel the next time they meet. view post


posted 16 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Author Q & AWorldhorn & Heron Spear by unJon, Auditor

They won't need to find the Heron Spear. As soon as the Inchoroi find the Dunyain, the Dunyain will begin to rediscover the lost arts of the Tekne including the energy weapons. But that's just my crazy off the wall speculaton. view post


posted 17 Feb 2006, 18:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by unJon, Auditor

I guess my thoughts on this subject were that the Outside agencies were gods and not Gods (if you see what I mean). That they were tied to Earwa and only had power over those who lived on the planet. And that there were other Outside agencies for other planets that could not affect what happens on Earwa. Maybe because the Void between planets is large and uninhabited by souls so that the gods of other planets can't break through. view post


posted 17 Feb 2006, 20:02 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by unJon, Auditor

Well two dualogies. AE and then the series afterwards would be the analogy to LOTR, I think. And given how PON "grew in the telling" I would not be surprised if it ended up as two trilogies. view post


posted 17 Feb 2006, 21:02 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by unJon, Auditor

Yes, another series after AE about the second apocalypse. And Scott also has in mind a stand-alone idea for a book about the non-men/Inchoroi war back in the day that he might write at some point. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by unJon, Auditor

[quote="Shryke":1g03ix2z]I find it interesting that the No-God seems to exert some sort of control, and talks through, only those creatures WITHOUT souls. This, to me, seems to be our biggest clue as to the essence of what it is.[/quote:1g03ix2z] This is interesting because in the last dream of Akka (the one that goes wrong), the no-god speaks through the Kyranean King. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by unJon, Auditor

I agree, the skin-spy likely learned the Gnosis from the Inchoroi. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 01:02 in Author Q & AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

Though we have seen at least one skin-spy with a soul.... view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 02:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by unJon, Auditor

Uhhh...I don't see why you doubt it. The skin-spies that we have seen seem to be in fairly regular contact with the Synthese. And the skin spies seem to live for a very long time since the Inchoroi cannot make them anymore, so I would say that the skin-spy probably came from Golgoterwhatever where he was chilling with the Inchoroi bros. Who the hell else would have taught him the Gnosis? I suppose one of the non-men erratics might have. Who the heck else taught it Gnosis. We've already seen that the Mandate are incapable of betraying it even under torture to the death. And since the skin-spies only invaded the 3Cs about a dozen years ago, Simon was already a powerful Mandate sorcorer who knew the Gnosis. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 10:02 in Author Q & AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

I disagree, though its just speculation. I don't think that the skin-spy recognized Akka, per se, so much as he recognized that the person in front of him was a Mandate Schoolman, because he "felt" (for lack of a bette word) the presence of Seswatha. How, I have no idea. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 23:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by unJon, Auditor

[quote="Entropic_existence":hblq3nbv]Which is why Maithenet was gald that the Consult were never able too replicate what happened with that one Skin-Spy. It was unique in that it had a soul. Imagine Srance, Wracu, and Bashrag Sorcerors? *shudders*[/quote:hblq3nbv] I do not recall Maithenet knowing that the skin-spy was unique, just that it was the first he had seen/hear of. I don't think that we can conclude that there aren't other skin-spies with souls. Remember that they can also see Chigra in a Mandate Schoolman just like the Synthese can. Though I don't want to say that they all have souls. Just saying, well not really sure, but that we can't say that none still alive have souls. bleh, don't think this makes much sense now upon re-reading. oh well. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q & AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

I think Scott has already told us. [quote="TDTCB pg. 125 US trade paperback":nybq5m6w]"He knows this form is but a shell," the Synthese said to Sarcellus, "but I don't see Chigra within him." The pea-sized eyes-little beads of sky blue glass-turned to Inrau. "Hmm, boy? You don't dream the Dream like the others, do you? If you did, you would recognize me. Chigra never failed to recognize me."[/quote:nybq5m6w] Seems pretty clear that the Synthese can see Seswatha in a Mandate. Now I suppose there is still wiggle room to argue that a skin-spy can't but given what little we have to speculate with, I would say that the skin spy can see Seswatha rather recognizing Akka by face. view post


posted 20 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by unJon, Auditor

I'm still not convinced about the magnitude of the abberration. The Consult has a good reason to not teach the skin-spies the Gnosis: they would be Marked. So if the skin-spy was to take over a non-sorceror position, he would have to not know the Gnosis or else it would be easy for any Sorceror to notice the infiltration. For example the skin-spy that takes over Skeas (sp? the emporer's advisor in TDTCB) would have to not know the Gnosis or the Imperial Saik would sniff it out immediately. While I'm not sure that I believe it myself, I think that we cannot rule out the possibility that all skin spies have souls. It helps explain how they can see Chigra. And then the proportion of skin-spies that can learn sorcery might be the same as the proportion of humans that are among the few (admittedly still a small number). view post


posted 20 Feb 2006, 06:02 in Author Q & AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

We don't have enough info to know how. Just as we don't know the how of the Few seeing the Mark. But it seems that some of the Consult can see the mark of Chigra. Certainly Aurang can, and I would argue that at least some of the skin-spies can also. view post


Skin-Spies have Souls posted 20 Feb 2006, 06:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by unJon, Auditor

OK, this is me going out on a limb. More of a prediction than a theory given the little evidence we have. We know that a creature needs a soul to work sorcery. We know that at least one skin-spy can work sorcery. So either that skin-spy was an aberration and the only one to have a soul...or do all skin-spies have souls? Well why not? All humans have souls and only a Few of them can be sorcerors. So, perhaps, all skin-spies have souls and only a few of them can work sorcery. Since there are few skin-spies to begin with (compared to humans), then perhaps there are only a handful that are among the Few. We have some other evidence. We have seen some skin-spies that recognize Akka as Chigra. I would argue, given the quote from Aurang to Inrau in TDTCB, that seeing Chigra is something similar to seeing the Mark. So only someone that is one of the Few would recoginize Chigra in a Mandate Schoolman. More concisely, if you recognize Chigra then you have a soul. So we have seen at least three skin spies that have souls. 2 that saw Chigra and 1 that was a sorcorer. My conclusion is that all skin-spies have souls and that at least these 3 were among the Few. There are good reasons that Consult does not make the skin-spies that are among the Few into Sorcorers. They do not want them to be Marked. The purpose of the skin-spies is to infiltrate various enemy camps. So the Consult would only want to Mark those that infiltrate one of the Schools. There is no other reason to teach Gnosis to one of the skin-spies. Which explains why we see skin-spies that see Chigra but are not Marked. Now once the 2nd Apocalypse starts and there is a real war happening, then you can teach the Few among the skin-spies the Gnosis. But until then you would only want to teach those that infiltrate the schools. As an aside, I was wondering if the proportion of Few among skin-spies was higher than the proportion of Few among humans. What made me think it was different is that it seems that the proportion of the Few among the Dunyain is higher than the Few among humans. We have seen 2 Dunyain tested for sorcery (Moenghus and Kellhus) and they are both among the Few. Is that because 1) they are of the Kunerian line of kings, 2) Dunyain, or 3) just random chance. We have no reason to think that the old High Kings were of the few and random chance is unlikely (though possible). So my thought is that something about the Dunyain breeding for intellect makes them all, or a higher proportion of them, be among the Few. If this is true then it should be interesting in AE if the rest of the Dunyain come into play. But back on topic. If the Skin-spies have souls and are in some respects bred of increased intelligence then perhaps more of them are among the Few. I realize that all of this is pretty out there speculation. But let me know what you all think. view post


posted 20 Feb 2006, 17:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by unJon, Auditor

Good points all. Let me keep trying to play devil's advocate. Cants of compulsion also won't work to get a Mandate Schoolman to give up the Gnosis, so perhaps there is a different reason that they do not work on the skin-spies. Cnaiur is guessing that they do not have souls, but he doesn't really know. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 17:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by unJon, Auditor

I can't find the spot, but I believe that there is a point in TTT where Aurang laments that the Consult no longer knows how to make more skin-spies. Further devil advocate for skin-spies/souls: maybe the skin-spies don't have souls, maybe it is possible for a skin-spy to mimic a soul. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 17:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by unJon, Auditor

That's true Harren. In Kelhuss convo with Moenghus he discusses that the skin-spies started to infiltrate the 3Cs a dozen years ago, which is when Moenghus would have first discovered him. Possibly Kelhuss was only talking about Fanim regions so they might have invaded the Mandate before then. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Author Q & AWorldhorn & Heron Spear by unJon, Auditor

Scott has answered that it is some sort of energy weapon but would not specify laser versus particle beam vs. something else. The Void and the Outside are different. The Outside is where you go when you die. The Void is where you go if you get in a rocket ship. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Author Q & Ado chorea last by unJon, Auditor

And remember in Inrau's case, he had only been casting Cants for a minute or so before the Chorae touches him, so he his Mark is about as weak as it gets. The Chorae didn't kill him, just singed the part it touched to salt. He committed suicide by jumping off of the platform. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 21:02 in Philosophy DiscussionTrying to understand a previous statement by unJon, Auditor

I think that if you ask 10 philosophers that question that you'll get 10 differenct answers. From the gesalt experience of my undergraduate major in philosophy I would say that the gist of it is: A person, P, intends a consequence, C, to his action, A, if P believes that C could happen if A, and P does A under his own violition. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 21:02 in Philosophy DiscussionWhat philosopher suits you most? by unJon, Auditor

Where the heck is Hume???? He is the man and gets my vote. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by unJon, Auditor

unSimas, we speculate, was not bound by Seswatha so could teach the Gnosis to someone, but it doesn't really matter. The Consult already knows the Gnosis. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhat should we have anticipated? by unJon, Auditor

The Consult liked Maithenet in that he declared a holy war on the Fanim which suited their purposes admirably. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 05:02 in Philosophy DiscussionTrying to understand a previous statement by unJon, Auditor

I just realize that I probably did you a disservice with an "unintentional" bait and switch between intentional and volitional. Check out this somewhat illuminating (and somewhat confusing) website explaining intentionality as discussed by various philosophers and it does indeed mention the structure of God, though in a peculiarly Christian manner. [url=http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/intentionality-ancient/:20qdsh1z]Intentionality in Ancient Philosophy[/url:20qdsh1z] view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 06:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Heron Spear by unJon, Auditor

Well the "batteries" ran out of the other weapons tekne light weapons during the Inchoroi/nonMen war. But the Heron spear worked several (thousand?) years later during the First Apocalypse. So it doesn't seem like the Tekne "batteries" run out by just sitting around, and I don't think that the Heron spear was ever used more than twice as far as we know. So in short, we don't have any reason to think that it's out of juice. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 06:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by unJon, Auditor

[quote="anor277":3h9fupgh] If you accept the aberration, how do we know that the Consult can never duplicate another Simas? How do we know in the next series of novels that Kellhus/Achamian/Nautzera etc. are not aberrant skin spies that turned off the principles?[/quote:3h9fupgh] Huh? The Consult can't duplicate Simas because they can't even duplicate a regular skin-spy. The Consult no longer knows how to make them. The rest of what you write, I don't understand at all. What is turn off the principles? We know that Akka and Kellhus are not skin-spies because they have/will have POVs. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 06:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by unJon, Auditor

[quote="Entropic_existence":1g2kehpw]The FF9 comparisons are interesting, but I think that the world Bakker has given us is much, much more sophisticated and metaphysically complex. After all Scott is a philosopher as well as an author, and his world is built upon some pretty heavy philosophical ideas.[/quote:1g2kehpw] Actually FF games are also. I don't think that the comparison necessitates an insult. And to be fair, while PON is epic fantasy, there are SF elements to the story (space ship, void, light weapons, etc.) Think of Star Wars. It could reasonably be classified as SF, epic fantasy, and space opera. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 06:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhat should we have anticipated? by unJon, Auditor

Anor, I don't really understand your point. So the rules of the game were not as Akka thought them. Why is this a weakness again? You just kind of assert that it is, but I don't get your reasoning. Is it a weakness because it's a surprise? I kind of like my novels to not be so predictable or cliched. Is it because Akka should be infallible? In the start of the novel, sorcery did not exist at all, or so Kellhus believed. Was it a weakness when the rules were changed Kellhus was proved wrong. What is it about skin-spies that it's bad that they might be sorcerors? They are just creatures like any other. If you prick them, do they not bleed? view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Philosophy DiscussionTrying to understand a previous statement by unJon, Auditor

I think it's a peculiarly Christian philosopher concept that can be traced to Augustine who merged Christian theology with Plato's ideas about Forms. The idea is that man is created in God's image. And part of that image is the ability to act intentionally (towards some goal or aim). Augustine ascribed 'intention' as one of the three parts of human 'mind' and the part that corresponds with the Holy Spirit. One later philosopher who relied on Augustine's ideas is Malebranche. If you are interested you can read about him [b:2n7dkohq][url=http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/malebranche-ideas/#3:2n7dkohq]here.[/url:2n7dkohq][/b:2n7dkohq] Let me know if this is helpful. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by unJon, Auditor

I'm with you EE. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in Author Q & AA soulful question [WARNING: TTT Spoilers Inside] by unJon, Auditor

There is at least a third creature with souls, Cu Roi, the Inchoroi themselves, or else damnation would not mean very much. The "gain a soul" is interesting phrasing because it might imply that the skin-spy got his soul some time after it was "born." view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

This came up in another thread and I thought it should have its own topic. The basic question is at what point the Inchoroi lost the ability to reproduce or if they ever had it. For reproduction: The two Inchoroi that are still around (Aurang and Aurax) are referred to with the masculine pronoun, and Aurax refers to Aurang as his brother. Also, Aurax seems to have male equipment as seen at the end of TWP (assuming that was his real body and not a Synthese). So they do seem to have some gender. Options for no reproduction: 1) They never could. This seems unlikely, and it is unclear how they would have evolved on some other planet. 2) By choice. Very possible and fits with the need to reduce souls in order to avoid damnation. They voluntarily decided to not create additional generations. 3) They lost all of the women. Fits thematically with the womb plague. Against reproduction: Once the womb plauge starts, you are facing an enemy (non-men) that are finite in number. Why not just hang back and reproduce for a few generations until you can overwhelm them with numbers? I think that this is a good piece of evidence implying that even back then the Inchoroi couldn't reproduce. Did all of the women happen to die in the Ark crash? Possible if the women were located all in a specific section of the ship and the men were in a different section. Did some of the male Inchoroi get together and test a prototype of the womb plague on their own women? This last raises another interesting question about infighting among the Inchoroi. It is odd that only 2 are left and that they are brothers. If the non-men had them so close to total eradication, why didn't they just finish the job instead of covering up the Ark with glamour? Or were there more and were later killed off by the A bros.? Anyway, seems like enough of a topic to discuss. Any thoughts? view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe most important question about the Skin-Spy with a soul by unJon, Auditor

*nodding at EE's logic* *smirking because EE falls into the same trap by putting too much weight on Maithenet's opinion of how abberrant a skin spy with a soul is* view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtwhy can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? by unJon, Auditor

Good catch, I vaguely remember that. I wish I recalled who said it because that person could be wrong. Also not sure why Kellhus and Moenghus would shine brighter because it seems to me that it is their Intellect that is strong and their Heart is weak. Ergo Moenghus sucks at the Psukhe. Or if true, maybe that is how the Cishaurim discovered the skin-spies and attacked the Scarlet Spires back in the day, and Kellhus is wrong when he attributes it to Moenghus noticing a different timbre to their voice. M never confirmed this in the conversation. Or maybe, skin spies do have souls. But then it would seem that Maithenet would know this from his father... Or maybe its an inconsistency that Bakker failed to catch. Oh so many options. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

IIRC, the avoiding damnation was prior to the Apocalypse. I think it says in the glossary that Saurawhatever Re-discovered the way to avoid damnation. I still think its what motivated the non-man war. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtplucked out heart by unJon, Auditor

My good deed for the day. [url:sfgpvdqd]http://forum.three-seas.com/viewtopic.php?t=845[/url:sfgpvdqd] view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

I just don't remember anything about when they discovered the damnation thing. If you remember something specific about it occuring after the non-man war let me know. Because it does make a nice justification for that war also. Otherwise, the Inchoroi just seem to want to wipe out the populations even before they knew about their damnation. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtplucked out heart by unJon, Auditor

Did you read the other thread? It was Serwe's heart, so I don't think anyone watching would think it was fresh. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

You mean someone's possibly fallible POV thought it? :lol: If someone stumbles onto a page reference for that info, let me know. Thanks. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

EE, we must just be reading this differently. [quote="TTT Glossary: Cuno-Inchoroi Wars":5adwpfeg]For five hundred years the Cunuroi and the Inchoroi waged a war of extermination, the Cunoroi to avenge their murdered wives and the eventual death of their race, and the Inchoroi for reasons they alone could fathom.[/quote:5adwpfeg] I read the implication to be that the Inchoroi's reason is to save their own souls. [quote="TTT Glossary: Apocalypse":5adwpfeg]The roots of the Apocalypse are many and deep. Mandate scholars (who, popular opinion to the contrary, are not the recognized authorities on the subject) argue that they are older than recorded history.[/quote:5adwpfeg] I read this as the Mandate believing that the roots of the Apocalypse predate the Consult which is within recorded history. [quote="TTT Glossary: Shaeonanra":5adwpfeg]The greatest prodigy of his age, Shaeonanra claimed to have rediscovered a means of saving the souls of those damned by sorcery.[/quote:5adwpfeg] Rediscovered not discovered. The wording in this entry is different than in the Mangaecca entry where it does indeed say discovered. But I think that the weight of the evidence is in favor of the Inchoroi realizing their damnation well before the Consult and my guess is that it is the impetus for the womb plague and non-man war which is really like the Zeroth Apocalypse anyway. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtplucked out heart by unJon, Auditor

I think that the answer is that it was Serwe's heart but through slight of hand everyone watching thought it was his heart. The text [b:1ccenwk5]does[/b:1ccenwk5] clearly say "He brandished Serwe's burning heart." But your question is still applicable, because if the people thought it was Kellhus's heart but it was really a three day old heart... view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by unJon, Auditor

I guess I just don't see why it renders our powers of prediction as readers to be meaningless. It's just another variable, e.g. there is a chance that that sorceror is a skin-spy and not a real sorceror. I don't see what the big deal is because that was always true for non-sorcerors anyway. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 07:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

Hmm...maybe something like Superman 2, where the Inchoroi that left were convicts or some crazy sub-sect of the total Inchoroi population. And they fled or were expelled from the old world... Interesting. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 18:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by unJon, Auditor

I agree. And its great to finally have the precise wording of the most quoted Scott blurb on this board. "only the rare animal ever 'awakens' enough to develop a soul in Earwa" view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 23:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by unJon, Auditor

Maithenet has a technique that anyone can perform to test for a skin-spy. I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years it is common practice to greet someone by pinching their face in that particular location as opposed to shaking hands or grabbing forearms. view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 05:02 in Author Q & AA soulful question [WARNING: TTT Spoilers Inside] by unJon, Auditor

Quick problem: inchoroi can work sorcery. Otherwise i like your analogy to gnosticism. Note that the magic is called Gnosis. view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Author Q & AKant and the Dunyain by unJon, Auditor

I would like to broaden the question to all philosophers that had an influence on Scott in the writing of this series. I've noticed a bit of a similarity between creatures sometimes awakening to a soul in Earwa to Foucault's formulation of a soul as the manifestation of countless battles within and around the body in Discipline and Punish. view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 21:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe most important question about the Skin-Spy with a soul by unJon, Auditor

Good points Dawn, It also introduced to the reader that anyone can tell who a skin-spy is. By pinching their face in a certain spot. Thematically, it continued the development of Bakker's ideas about people outgrowing their roots, by becoming more. Kellhus outgrows the Dunyain. Akka outgrows the mandate. Even a skin-spy can outgrow the limits of its creation and gain a soul. view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 21:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtA poll on souls by unJon, Auditor

I went option 2 also. It seems like the most reasonable expectation given Bakker's quote about the rare creature awakening and gaining a soul. view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Interviews and ReviewsTHE TORONTO STAR by unJon, Auditor

Congrats Scott, very well deserved :!: I noticed that he said AE was going to be 40 years after PON though, instead of 20. view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by unJon, Auditor

Little Moenghus isn't Kellhus's son, though. I think that he'll definitely be in AE, but I don't think he'll be one of the few. Possibly he could be. view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus & Moenghus? by unJon, Auditor

Just some random speculation that I decided to post here because it is tangentially on topic. We know that a world can be closed to the Outside. We know that inherently soulless creatures can gain a soul. What if Kellhus determines how to lose his soul. Close himself off from the wrath of the Outside. Pretty good way to avoid damnation, assuming that losing a soul doesn't mean losing one's volition in the here and now. view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Author Q & ACishaurim explanation by unJon, Auditor

And those differences raise an interesting question. Is there some combination of Gnosis and Psukhe possible that would be as powerful as Gnosis (or more powerful) and without the mark. Possibly even without the susceptability to Chorae. And we think that Kellhus wouldn't be good at it (drawing from the analogy to Moenghus). Although maybe now he would be since he is 'more than Dunyain.' I like to think, though, that it will be the son of Kellhus and Esmi that makes this jump, surpassing the father. Or maybe I'm running in a completely wrong direction. view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 07:03 in Author Q & ACishaurim explanation by unJon, Auditor

EE, I like to think that Psukhe and Gnosis are orthogonal to each other rather than opposite to each other. Kellhus on the Cishaurim [quote="TTT pg. 217 US hardback":3n6sk8t1]They recall the tone and timbre, the [i:3n6sk8t1]passion[/i:3n6sk8t1], of the God's vocie--to near perfection--even as the meanings that make up true sorcery escape them.[/quote:3n6sk8t1] So the analogy is tone and timbre vs. meanings, or heart vs. intellect. It seems to me that there is no reason that these should be mutually exclusive. It just so happens that Moenghus and perhaps Dunyains in general are weak on heart. I think that the tantalizing possibility exists of getting down the Voice and the Meanings at the same time. To merge Psukhe and Gnosis and make it something more... view post


posted 04 Mar 2006, 03:03 in Author Q & AAkka and the Ciphrang - TTT spoilers by unJon, Auditor

I bought it Scott, for the record. Akka shows a bit of ruthlessness but only towards Esmi and only at the end of TTT. I thought his character development was extremely plausible. view post


posted 04 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCharacters in Aspect-Emperor by unJon, Auditor

Noctis, i agree as far as Akka. I thought that Cnauir's story arc got closure. I think that he will be in AE (but I could also see him not being there), but as a very changed person. view post


posted 04 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha's history by unJon, Auditor

I don't remember the story of his death, but the Mandate definitely has his heart, so I think his death is implied. view post


Super-Sorcery posted 04 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSuper-Sorcery by unJon, Auditor

So I proposed this theory in the Q&A section, but I thought that I should move it here as the discussion was getting off-topic. Psukhe is the sorcery of heart. The Cishaurim remember the "timbre" of God's voice while forgetting the meanings. Getting the Voice almost right is Kellhus's explanation of why the Few cannot see it. Gnosis is the sorcery of the mind. They remember the meanings of the God. My theory is that these two sorceries are like two different axes on a Cartesian plane. The mandate are strong on the Intellect scale and the Cish on the Passion scale. I speculate in AE that someone will learn to combine the best of both. The power of the Gnosis without the Mark!!! My guess is that it will not be Kellhus. He is probably weak on heart just like Moenghus. But maybe Kellhus could raise a child that is strong on intellect (like the Dunyain) and strong in passion. Intellectually, Kellhus might understand how to raise a child like that. So I'm guessing that his son (daughter?) will surpass him in magic by creating the super sorcery of Psukhe and Gnosis. Becoming the true Shaman and continuing the Dune parellels (Leto overtaking the strength of Mau'dib.) view post


posted 04 Mar 2006, 22:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions that haunt me after just reading TTT. by unJon, Auditor

I think he is referring to the Compulsion of Esmi, but I agree that it is not possession in the same sense as the Synthese. Still it is pretty close to "demonic possession." view post


posted 05 Mar 2006, 16:03 in Author Q & AWorldhorn & Heron Spear by unJon, Auditor

[quote="Mithfânion":3qmw7327] This sounds silly, but in order for this to be correct, Earwa would need to have herons just like we have in our own world. I'm thinking the Heron refers to something else. Maybe Scott could give some enlightenment about it's shape?[/quote:3qmw7327] Why is that silly? Earwa has humans just like we have in our world. They also have dogs that bark, etc. I think a heron is a heron. view post


posted 05 Mar 2006, 22:03 in Author Q & AWorldhorn & Heron Spear by unJon, Auditor

I agree. Weapon + tripod + S-curve = most plausible explanation I have heard. view post


posted 06 Mar 2006, 04:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnasurimbor Maithanet? by unJon, Auditor

I wonder how the naming conventions work in Earwa. All of the current "Anasurimbors" are from the bastard son of the last high king. Does the bastard really get to take the Anasurimbor name? view post


posted 06 Mar 2006, 04:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions regarding Conphas by unJon, Auditor

*nods* in agreement with Black on all points except the Cishaurim. I do think that the Consult only infiltrated them in the last dozen years. Edit: EE beat me to it. view post


posted 06 Mar 2006, 18:03 in Author Q & AWorldhorn & Heron Spear by unJon, Auditor

I feel very wishy-washy now, but I am bowing to EE's argument and now thinking that it is a hand-held weapon. Still like the S-curve bit. view post


posted 06 Mar 2006, 20:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSuper-Sorcery by unJon, Auditor

Hmm...good question. I would say no, because they would still be grasping both imperfectly. view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 06:03 in Author Q & ATTT Encyclopedia by unJon, Auditor

I guess better safe than sorry, but I don't remember any TTT 'secrets' that get outed in the appendix. view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 16:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSuper-Sorcery by unJon, Auditor

I don't see it. I think that would be a very watered down definition of "godhead." view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 16:03 in Philosophy Discussionwho should determine what is "right"? by unJon, Auditor

I think the missing link in that argument is equating "right" to "best able to multiply." There are a bunch of steps to that argument and cannot be taken for granted. view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSuper-Sorcery by unJon, Auditor

Aside - Is Guest 2 your registered name? Back on topic - it begs your question not mine. Begging the question only applies when it makes circular one of MY assumptions. You are the one talking about godhead. Do you need to ascend to do either Psukhe or Gnosis? No. I'm not convinced that by combining you need anything more than to be of the Few, strong Intellect, and strong Passions. I think you are making the "godhead" threshold too low by saying you need to ascend to combine them. Conceded that we are all just speculating based on little or no evidence so anyone could be right. view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 03:03 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by unJon, Auditor

Can someone point me to an old post where Scott talks about Eanna sorcery and or breaking of the gates stuff? Sounds interesting and I didn't know any of it. view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 20:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by unJon, Auditor

I thought that the Knights of Tryse went with the High King to Ishual in the prolouge of TDTCB. Perhaps not all of them did... view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 20:03 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by unJon, Auditor

Thanks, WL view post


posted 09 Mar 2006, 22:03 in Author Q & AInrau's sorcery by unJon, Auditor

Yes it does seem that Inrau would either 1) not know how to cast a really damaging Cant or 2) already be damned, given Akka's comments to Kellhus in TTT. Scott has already ignored this question once (further down the list on this forum) so I'm not hopeful that he'll answer it. My hunch is that its an error, unless Scott does let us know some explanation. The only plausible explanation (though a bit far fetched) that I could think of, was that Akka taught Inrau some cants using a different method than the Mandate normally does, after Inrau fled the Mandate. Perhaps Akka woried about his students life (either from the Consult in an off the stage scene of TDTCB, or from the Mandate sometime before the book took place). I still have trouble squaring it with Akka's comments in TTT to Kellhus, however. WP, IIRC, once you cast one single Cant you are Marked for life. That's the impression I got from the Akka/Kellhuss scene with the Doll in TWP along with numerous other places in the books. view post


posted 09 Mar 2006, 23:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhat should we have anticipated? by unJon, Auditor

True WP, I think we can trace back the idea of a sorceror being marked at least as far back as the Christian idea of witches having the mark of the devil. Likely Christianity borrowed this idea from somewhere else that I'm not aware of. view post


posted 10 Mar 2006, 06:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by unJon, Auditor

I think its safe to assume that any human sorcerors hanging out on non-men mansions are more likely to be Gnostic than Anagogic. The non-men don't have the Seswatha prescription that kept Gnosis from the 3 seas area, and of course all of the human sorcerors prefer Gnosis. view post


posted 10 Mar 2006, 22:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by unJon, Auditor

My impression was that it was some type of blue energy force. I kept imagining the Emperor in Star Wars but less lightning looking. view post


Too many coincidences unexplained? posted 10 Mar 2006, 22:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtToo many coincidences unexplained? by unJon, Auditor

So this came up in the Bakker thread over on the ASOIAF board, and I never really thought about it, so I thought I'd kick it over here. (Posted here in case TTT reading informs your opinions or responses). In TDTCB Kellhus has a meeting with a non-man that turns out to be the ultra-famous Mekertrig. He also gets attacked by Sranc on the way across the Scylvendi Plains and just happens to be laying close to death on the grave of Cnauir's father. Two giant unexplained coincidences that have or will have a large impact on the plot? Anyone have any speculation? Outside forces at work? view post


posted 11 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtToo many coincidences unexplained? by unJon, Auditor

Hi, Xray!!! Nice to see some more ASOIAF people over here. I think you are misremembering the connection between the Outside and the Inchoroi. The Inchoroi are waging war against the Outside in order to shut it out of Earwa so that they are not damned. The Outside represent the higher beings of Earwa (gods or God or whatever), and Kellhus [i:1rfn7ga6]might[/i:1rfn7ga6] be some true prophet so that some Outside agency could take an interest in his actions. H, I really like your idea that Kellhus and his father traversed the same path based on the Logos. However, I don't think it removes the coincidence about the Sranc attacking such that he collapses right where Cnauir would find him. I don't think the Logos can explain that. view post


posted 11 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtTTT Map by unJon, Auditor

There are too many bad map books out there for this to ever be rare. I'd return it if it bothers you, and not return it if you don't care. view post


posted 11 Mar 2006, 17:03 in Literature DiscussionAny suggesations by unJon, Auditor

"The Name of the Rose" - Umberto Eco Excellent historical fiction with a lot of philosophical undertones: plato, aristotle, bacon. It's a classic and a very good read. "A Game of Thrones" - George RR Martin I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the other great fantasy series. It's not as 'deep thought' as PON, but there are a lot of amazing characters and it is epic in scope. Marting is great at creating gray characters (no black/white), and this series is enthralling. "Dune" - Frank Herbert The classic Sci-Fi book. More political philosophy than psychology but deals with ideas of omniscience. "Crime and Punishment" - Fyodor Dostoevsky It sounds like you would like anythng by Dostoevsky, but this is my favorite. A real study of human character. "Hyperion" - Dan Simmons The rest of the series falls off some, but this first book is amazing. It is Sci-Fi, but told in an interesting way (a couple of strangers on an important trip that they don't understand that take turns telling their backstory). Again it touches on a lot of philosophy. "Manifold Time" - Stephen Baxter Another Sci-Fi, but near future and very realistic on the Science. It deals with a few different paradoxes in very interesting ways. If you are in to 'heavier stuff' (slow plots, not page turners, but very intersting and thought provoking) then I would recommend the following: "The Left Hand of Darkness" - Ursala K Le Guin; "Gravity's Rainbow" - Thomas Pynchon view post


posted 12 Mar 2006, 01:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtToo many coincidences unexplained? by unJon, Auditor

I don't really understand your long personal stories point, though it is an interesting coincidence. There is something unsatisfying about Cnauir's meeting Kellhus (a fundamental moment in the book that changes everything that comes after) being sheer coincidence of the magnitude that it was. Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think its the [i:36vpsog4]number[/i:36vpsog4] of coincidences that is important so much as their magnitude. view post


posted 12 Mar 2006, 01:03 in Author Q & AInrau's sorcery by unJon, Auditor

Andrew, I think what you say might, in theory, be true, but it does not seem to be the way that the Mandate teaches its students. [quote="TTT pg. 137 US hardback":2g1gf6a8]In Atyersus, teachers always started with what were called denotaries, small precursor Cants meant to gradually develop the intellectual flexibility of their students to the prodigious point where they could both comprehend and express arcane semantics. Denotaries, however, bruised students with the stain of sorcery as surely as any Cant....[/quote:2g1gf6a8] So if Inrau could "express arcane semantics" like he seemed to be doing when he cast that BA Cant on the skin spy, then it stands to reason that he should have been Marked given the Mandates normal M.O. view post


posted 12 Mar 2006, 02:03 in Author Q & AInrau's sorcery by unJon, Auditor

[b:1jpjag1h]Warrior Prophet wrote:[/b:1jpjag1h][quote:1jpjag1h]I was just under the impression that that was not Inrau's first time and im almost sure that it says in Darkness that he had cast some minor Cants.[/quote:1jpjag1h] I was under the opposite impression, hence my confusion at the apparent paradox. I'll take a skim through TDTCB now and see if I can find a quote. view post


posted 12 Mar 2006, 15:03 in Philosophy DiscussionTruth, Lies by unJon, Auditor

It's a good point Sokar. Think on the maxim: You can tell the truth by accident but a lie is only told on purpose. view post


posted 13 Mar 2006, 07:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtChorae - Weapons of the Tekne? by unJon, Auditor

Both WP and anor are right. The Chorae are products of the Apropos not Tekne. The Inchoroi had the sorcerors make them, then used them against the non-men and also gave them to the people of Eanna. view post


posted 13 Mar 2006, 15:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlowing Hands by unJon, Auditor

WP, Moenghus would have know idea who among the Dunyain would be among the Few. There is no way to tell someone is on of the Few unless they cast sorcery. Remember that Akka could not tell if Kellhus was among the few until the test with the Doll. view post


posted 13 Mar 2006, 15:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by unJon, Auditor

*agrees with WP* view post


posted 13 Mar 2006, 21:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlowing Hands by unJon, Auditor

I don't think there is any Onta to see in Ishual as no sorcery has been performed there in millenia. I find it very unlikely that Kellhus or Moenghus have any idea of how many/which Dunyain are among the Few. view post


posted 14 Mar 2006, 01:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlowing Hands by unJon, Auditor

WP, your second point good be right, I don't know. it depends if you have to be among the Few to receive a Cant of calling. I don't think we know the answer. I don't have a site about the Mark (yes I was using Onta incorrectly) fading over time, but that is my impression. Also using my primitive version of the Logos, I conclude that the Dunyain have never seen the mark in Ishual or they would (using their superior Logos) deduce the existence of sorcery. Note how quick Kellhus deduces sorcery once he sees it, and how the Dunyain are sure it does not exist. view post


posted 14 Mar 2006, 05:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThey make us love??? by unJon, Auditor

I thought it was in reference to Akka at the end of TTT. Doesn't he lament that the gods make him love? Maybe the phrase is used multiple times in the series and I didn't pick it up. view post


posted 14 Mar 2006, 05:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by unJon, Auditor

I agree with most of what EE says except the possessing the skin spy. I always thought that the guy that keeps seducing Esmi is just an illusion and the Synthese is really all there is casting some Cant and ejaculating the black semen. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 02:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by unJon, Auditor

I'm basing it on the black semen. The "man" that seduces Esmi ejaculates black. So does Aurax at the end of TWP. Esmi sleeps with a skin-spy Sacellus and doesn't mention black semen and I think she would notice. So my conclusion is that the "man" is really an illusion and its the little bird Synthese spitting black semen on her. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 02:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtPaper Back by unJon, Auditor

Hey, Lyth, I think that the Trade Paperback for TWP was out about 8 mo. after the hardback (so September). But I might be misremembering. I haven't seen any mass market paperbacks but I hear they have those in Canada. If you are just waiting for the money, then you might check Amazon. Sometimes they have good deals on Used hardbacks. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 02:03 in Author Q & ASpoilerful question about the trilogy's end by unJon, Auditor

Stormchaser, Scott originally planned to write a trilogy in which PON would be the first book. He has referred to it as "his Hobbit." Well PON grew into a trilogy in his own right and Scott now envisions that the second two original books will become dualogies (though it wouldn't shock me if they both turned into trilogies). So yes, he planned on writing more in this world, from the beginning, and that is why I think that there are so many unanswered questions. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 02:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by unJon, Auditor

I agree. If Aurang "possessed" a skin spy and had sex with Esmi, then the semen would not be black. Possession does not change the semen color. Which is why in TDTCB, and later in TWP when Esmi has sex with a dude that spits black semen, I think it is Aurang as a Synthese, screwing her and the guy that Esmi sees is an illusion. Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying, WP? I'm not sure how to make my point more clear. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 04:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by unJon, Auditor

Alright, I just want to make sure that we are talking about the same thing now so I'll try to spell out the two theories. Event: In TDTCB and WP, Esmi has sex with a "man" that turns out to be something else and ejaculates black semen. Theory 1 (mine): the "man" is actually an illusion. Aurang uses a glamour to make Esmi see a man, but it is actually the Synthese itself (black bird with a little human head) that is present in the room with Esmi and ejaculates black semen. Theory 2 (others): the "man" is actually some creation of the Tekne (maybe a skin spy, maybe some creation we haven't seen before), that Aurang possesses to have sex with Esmi. Do I have the theories correct? If so let me just restate what I see as the problems with 2. Basically, if it's a skin-spy it shouldn't be black semen. The only creature that we have seen ejaculate black is Aurax at the end of TWPb. If its some other creation of the Tekne, what is it? Certainly nothing we have heard of before. The Tekne creature that could pass for a man is a skin-spy. Are you saying that you think that there are other "man" creatures out there in addition to the skin-spies? view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Philosophy DiscussionNuclear Power by unJon, Auditor

Nuclear power is the future of this world, no matter what people think of it. It's a simple matter of oil running out and nuclear being the only available cost-effective solution. Econ 101. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 15:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by unJon, Auditor

EoC, I think a glamour is just Scott's word for the magic of illusion. IIRC, Akka warns Kellhus in TTT that it's one of the magics that an Inchoroi can do while in a Synthese. I am willing to say that an illusion can also make Esmi feel the pleasure. The Synthese seems to be able to spark arousal in its skin-spies and Aurang sparks arousal/desire in the woman it rapes at the end of TWP. So now that I have the two options down correctly, I'm going to post them in Q&A to see if Scott will answer. Yes EoC this thread originally dealt with a different topic, it's interesting how it evolved (devolved?). view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 15:03 in Philosophy Discussionignorance or enlightenment ? by unJon, Auditor

Ahh, the old JS Mill question. First I would submit that your choices are not exhaustive. That said I suppose that a wise fool is better than a content ignoramus. Why? I don't know, I'm a martyr at heart I guess. view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 08:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by unJon, Auditor

Regarding Ciphrang and Chorae. I don't think its clear if the Chorae actually 'kill' the Chiphrand or just undo the sorcery that called them into the world, so banishing them to the Outside until the Daimos calls them again. view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 09:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by unJon, Auditor

:lol: It kind of kills a debate in mid-stride when the Author comes down on one side in the middle. Skin-spies (and all Tekne creatures in general) do not have souls, although in rare instances they seem to 'acquire' one. view post


posted 17 Mar 2006, 06:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by unJon, Auditor

WP, water boils faster when you don't watch it. Find another series to read, I suggest. view post


posted 17 Mar 2006, 06:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAchamian and Seswatha by unJon, Auditor

That's interesting Edge. I think its most likely that Kellhus does have some reason for wanting him alive. But Kellhus did not have a reason for not killing Cnaiur in TWP... view post


posted 17 Mar 2006, 06:03 in Author Q & AConsult vs Mandate by unJon, Auditor

It'll be like The Hobbit for The Hobbit.... view post


posted 17 Mar 2006, 06:03 in Literature DiscussionAnyone read the Illuminatus trilogy? by unJon, Auditor

I read it, but years and years ago, and I'm sure that I've forgotten most of it. I just remember that it started weird and went off into left field from there. Very funny and entertaining and, at some insane level, insightful. view post


posted 17 Mar 2006, 18:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by unJon, Auditor

That is an excellent choice. view post


posted 17 Mar 2006, 21:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtHelp finding post on afterlife by unJon, Auditor

Thanks for that link. [quote="Scott":rwbzdnen]And to answer your question, Maltaran, yes, Lokung is indeed the No-God - though this is not necessarily how the Scylvendi themselves see things.[/quote:rwbzdnen] I find this interesting. If Scott can come up with a completely plausible motivation for the Inchoroi, I can't wait to see what he does for why the Scylvendi fought for the no-god. view post


posted 18 Mar 2006, 02:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by unJon, Auditor

She's referring to 3 different authors. ASOIAF = A Song of Ice and Fire = a great series by George R.R. Martin. There are 4 books out (probably 3 more to come). 1) A Game of Thrones 2) A Clash of Kings 3) A Storm of Swords 4) A Feast for Crows view post


Readers Choice Awards posted 18 Mar 2006, 02:03 in Author Q & AReaders Choice Awards by unJon, Auditor

Scott, Big congratulations for making the [b:24dy51i5][u:24dy51i5][url=http://www.sfsite.com/columns/best06b.htm:24dy51i5]Top 10 List[/url:24dy51i5][/b:24dy51i5][/u:24dy51i5]. Maybe the word is starting to get out. :) :) :) view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Author Q & AReaders Choice Awards by unJon, Auditor

Btw X-ray, I saw this first in your link over at ASOIAF. Good Catch. view post


posted 21 Mar 2006, 05:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlowing Hands by unJon, Auditor

Will, I like it. Very well documented. I am inclined to believe your conclusion. view post


posted 21 Mar 2006, 17:03 in Author Q & AInrau's sorcery by unJon, Auditor

Scott's answer to the paradox sheds a lot of light on the Inrithi faith. I didn't consider that they'd let a Marked schoolman "take the vows." view post


posted 22 Mar 2006, 23:03 in Author Q & AFemale Dunyain? by unJon, Auditor

Is the alternative that they just keep women around for breeding stock and don't train them? view post


posted 25 Mar 2006, 02:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha=Kellhus? Nau-Cayuti=Achamian? (Or not ...) by unJon, Auditor

As to the first part. Brilliant! (like the guiness commericials). Great Catch. As for the second bit, not buying it. view post


posted 30 Nov 2006, 19:11 in Author Q & AInchoroi motivations and the quantum mechanics by unJon, Auditor

QED by Richard Feynman is a great introduction to some quantum mechanical principals (namely quantum electro-dynamics or the interaction of photons and electrons). Hardly any math, clearly and consicely written. And as easy to understand as is probably possible. view post


posted 11 Dec 2006, 21:12 in Author Q & AInchoroi motivations and the quantum mechanics by unJon, Auditor

[quote="anor277":wm2v96nr][quote="unJon":wm2v96nr]QED by Richard Feynman is a great introduction to some quantum mechanical principals (namely quantum electro-dynamics or the interaction of photons and electrons). Hardly any math, clearly and consicely written. And as easy to understand as is probably possible.[/quote:wm2v96nr] Agreed on Feynman's treatment of QED. Nevertheless, I think as a metaphor for sorcery, a fictional thinkg which we don't understand, quantum mechanics, an actual thing we don't understand, doesn't work at all.[/quote:wm2v96nr] Wait a second. I don't understand women. I don't understand cricket. You mean women not equal to cricket? *cries in corner* :lol: view post


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