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unJon Auditor | joined 08 February 2006 | 134 posts


Question about Inchoroi posted 08 February 2006 in Author Q & AQuestion about Inchoroi by unJon, Auditor

Hi Scott,

Loved all the books. Not disappointed at all by the end of TTT. Definitely eagerly anticipating AE.

I had a quick question about the end of TWP where the Sranc and Inchoroi are torturing the men to find out about the Dunyain. Was that the Inchoroi "in the flesh" or a Synthese?

Thanks view post


A question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) posted 10 February 2006 in Author Q & AA question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) by unJon, Auditor

I wonder if the Inchoroi are "erratic" for the same reason (longevity). They live so long and their minds can only hold so much. Or I wonder if they can remember everything but are just "naturally" such a species of "lovers." view post


A question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) posted 10 February 2006 in Author Q & AA question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) by unJon, Auditor

Entropic, I guess I wasn't very clear. I agree that the erratics are different (and seek different things) than the Inchoroi. What I mean to speculate about was whether the Inchoroi also had problems about their minds not being able to contain their memories.

Option 1: by their nature or through the Tekne they have managed to enlarge their minds to the point that their long lives don't drive out most of their memories.

Option 2: Like the non-men erratics, the Inchoroi have the problem of having a bunch of memories forced out. For the erratics its the trauma that is left. What would be left for the Inchoroi? Since their minds are fundamentally different from the non-men what would be the longest-lasting memories for them? Moments of extreme pleasure in torturing and destroying others? Moments of intense fear when they come in contact with the Outside? Whatever it is, I imagine that if they suffer from "selective memory loss" then it would impact how they behave today. It would be different than how the erratics are but a similar phenomenon would be occuring with possibly predictable results.

I could (perhaps) see Bakker playing with this parellel in AE. Just my $0.02. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Anyone have any ideas about my Inchoroi question a few posts down this forum?? view post


Pixellated Map?!? posted 12 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtPixellated Map?!? by unJon, Auditor

Yeah, mine is messed up also. view post


Mekeritrig posted 12 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by unJon, Auditor

great catches. view post


future of PON posted 12 February 2006 in The Thousandfold Thoughtfuture of PON by unJon, Auditor

From what I recall (in a Bakker interview that I cannot now locate) is that he thought that AE and the series after that would both be duologies. He also has a stand-alone that he might write about the non-man/Inchoroi wars. view post


Moenghus the Harbinger posted 13 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMoenghus the Harbinger by unJon, Auditor

There is no harbinger. What comes before determines what comes after. There is no prophecy. view post


Questions about Iyokus posted 13 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions about Iyokus by unJon, Auditor

We're not even sure how many other SS survived. He might have become grandmaster by default. view post


Dunyain and Technology posted 13 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDunyain and Technology by unJon, Auditor

I realize that this is a fantasy book so that some/all of this speculation should not apply because it is not the real world. With that qualification, I still think it would be interesting to have a discussion about why the Dunyain do not seem to have advanced technologically.

The've been chilling in Ishual for 2K years and have spent that whole time breeding for intelligence and investigating the relationship between cause and effect. The obviously haven't stumbled onto quantum mechanics or they would realize that they could not really figure out how what comes before determines what comes after.

On the other hand, they have advanced notions of psychology and neuro-science. e.g. Kelhus and the hypnotism of Akka; the neuro-puncture of the defects.

Kelhus in TDTCB notes that in Ishual you often know exactly what path a falling leaf would take. This would entail some sophisticated understanding of gravity, air resistence, and thermo-dynamics. Given the pervasiveness of elector-magnitism in the cause/effect relationship for most observable phenomenon, I'm surprised that they haven't stumbled upon electricity yet.

More generally, I wonder that they don't have a scientific branch runing experiments in physics and chemistry, discovering Relativity, etc. I would think that such research would pay big dividends in the Logos. Just some careful observations of the motions of the planetary bodies would confirm that Netownian physics is lacking in some respects. view post


Questions about Iyokus posted 14 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions about Iyokus by unJon, Auditor

I wonder about the gnostic summoning of the outside agencies. Do the Outside forces resemble 'creatures' as they do in the Daimos. My hunch is that they are just vast sentient forces that are not anthropomorphic. That would parellel well with the differences between the sorceries in their other aspects. view post


Akka and the Ciphrang - TTT spoilers posted 14 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAkka and the Ciphrang - TTT spoilers by unJon, Auditor

Hi Scott,

I was wondering if you could clarify how Akka survived his battle against the Ciphrang at the end of TTT. I found it curious that Akka never questions the how of his survival during his POV chapter at the end of the book.

The current speculation on the boards range from the extremes of his skin-ward was strong enough to save him even while he was unconcious to Iyo must have died (so its a fake at the end of TTT) to Iyo never told the Ciphrang to kill him, just to 'scare him' so that Akka would know that Iyo should not be messed with.

I guess that I am weakly in the skin-ward camp solely based on the fact that we do not see Akka curious about his survival. But I hoped that you would clear it up.

Thanks view post


Things I will not accept in an argument posted 14 February 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionThings I will not accept in an argument by unJon, Auditor

Hey Quinthane,

Check out [url=http&#58;//www&#46;slate&#46;com/id/2129105/?nav=tap3:2jvqsu2s]this article[/url:2jvqsu2s] for an interesting take on the word literally. Btw, ironically, you 'misused' literally in your sentence, but I guess that was on purpose.

My pet peeve is when people use "slippery slope" as an argument against something instead of as a reason to set up a careful set of rules for how to do it.

I also hate ad hominum attacks. An argument should stand or fall on its own, not on its orator.

And I definitely concur with those above that I cannot stand those who have already made up their mind. view post


Is Education the Magic Bullet? posted 14 February 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionIs Education the Magic Bullet? by unJon, Auditor

Education is always beneficial but will never be an ultimate, stand alone solution. Even educated people make heuristic based mistakes such as framing errors and unrealistic optimism. See the immense economic literature of Prospect Theory.

Also, as long as people are self-interested there will be a need for regulation to prevent negative externalities. view post


Dunyain and Technology posted 14 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDunyain and Technology by unJon, Auditor

Alright here is my current (pretty out there) speculation.

Inchoroi - know about the Tekne but they don't have the current knowledge about it that they used to. They can't make e.g. more energy weapons or Wracu.

Dunyain - incredibly smart but never applied the knowledge to hard science like the Tekne because (for whatever reason) they never stumbled across it.

Sounds like a marriage made in heaven (hell). If the Inchoroi stumble onto the Dunyain and expose them to the Tekne I can see the Dunyain being able to reclaim a bunch of the lost arts.

What do you guys think? view post


The Architect = Shaeonanra / Shauriatas posted 15 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Architect = Shaeonanra / Shauriatas by unJon, Auditor

Don't have the books in front of me, but I thought that there was a glossary entry on Architect that could decide this issue (or not if it is ambiguous). view post


TDTCB Prolouge posted 15 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtTDTCB Prolouge by unJon, Auditor

I just re-read this. Did anyone else notice that the whole mentality of the pedofile (and later the Anasurimbor victim) of "There are no crimes when no one is left alive," merges perfectly with the motivation of the Consult?

I just thought that was very well done. A great thematic bone right in the beginning. view post


Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 15 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? by unJon, Auditor

The last 3 or 4 pages of TTT were amazing, IMO. I got goose bumps reading them. Akka finally saying fcuk it and standing up to Kellhus. And Kellhus's response was classic. It made me wonder if his prediction/commad was correct. My guess is that sometime in the AE, Akka will again be in Kellhus's presence...will he kneel? view post


Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 15 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? by unJon, Auditor

Good catch on the previous reference to kneeling. I didn't mean how Kellhus made the statement but rather whether it was an accurate or inaccurate prediction, in the sense of whether Akka will actually kneel the next time they meet. view post


Worldhorn &amp; Heron Spear posted 16 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by unJon, Auditor

They won't need to find the Heron Spear. As soon as the Inchoroi find the Dunyain, the Dunyain will begin to rediscover the lost arts of the Tekne including the energy weapons.

But that's just my crazy off the wall speculaton. view post


Inchoroi Origins/Aims posted 17 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by unJon, Auditor

I guess my thoughts on this subject were that the Outside agencies were gods and not Gods (if you see what I mean). That they were tied to Earwa and only had power over those who lived on the planet. And that there were other Outside agencies for other planets that could not affect what happens on Earwa. Maybe because the Void between planets is large and uninhabited by souls so that the gods of other planets can't break through. view post


Tentative Schedule posted 17 February 2006 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by unJon, Auditor

Well two dualogies. AE and then the series afterwards would be the analogy to LOTR, I think. And given how PON "grew in the telling" I would not be surprised if it ended up as two trilogies. view post


Tentative Schedule posted 17 February 2006 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by unJon, Auditor

Yes, another series after AE about the second apocalypse. And Scott also has in mind a stand-alone idea for a book about the non-men/Inchoroi war back in the day that he might write at some point. view post


The No-God posted 19 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by unJon, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Shryke&quot;:1g03ix2z
I find it interesting that the No-God seems to exert some sort of control, and talks through, only those creatures WITHOUT souls. This, to me, seems to be our biggest clue as to the essence of what it is.[/quote:1g03ix2z]

This is interesting because in the last dream of Akka (the one that goes wrong), the no-god speaks through the Kyranean King. view post


The Mandate Skin-Spy posted 19 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by unJon, Auditor

I agree, the skin-spy likely learned the Gnosis from the Inchoroi. view post


Woe comes... posted 19 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

Though we have seen at least one skin-spy with a soul.... view post


The Mandate Skin-Spy posted 19 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by unJon, Auditor

Uhhh...I don't see why you doubt it. The skin-spies that we have seen seem to be in fairly regular contact with the Synthese. And the skin spies seem to live for a very long time since the Inchoroi cannot make them anymore, so I would say that the skin-spy probably came from Golgoterwhatever where he was chilling with the Inchoroi bros. Who the hell else would have taught him the Gnosis? I suppose one of the non-men erratics might have.

Who the heck else taught it Gnosis. We've already seen that the Mandate are incapable of betraying it even under torture to the death. And since the skin-spies only invaded the 3Cs about a dozen years ago, Simon was already a powerful Mandate sorcorer who knew the Gnosis. view post


Woe comes... posted 19 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

I disagree, though its just speculation. I don't think that the skin-spy recognized Akka, per se, so much as he recognized that the person in front of him was a Mandate Schoolman, because he "felt" (for lack of a bette word) the presence of Seswatha. How, I have no idea. view post


The No-God posted 19 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by unJon, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Entropic_existence&quot;:hblq3nbv
Which is why Maithenet was gald that the Consult were never able too replicate what happened with that one Skin-Spy. It was unique in that it had a soul. Imagine Srance, Wracu, and Bashrag Sorcerors? *shudders*[/quote:hblq3nbv]

I do not recall Maithenet knowing that the skin-spy was unique, just that it was the first he had seen/hear of. I don't think that we can conclude that there aren't other skin-spies with souls. Remember that they can also see Chigra in a Mandate Schoolman just like the Synthese can. Though I don't want to say that they all have souls. Just saying, well not really sure, but that we can't say that none still alive have souls. bleh, don't think this makes much sense now upon re-reading. oh well. view post


Woe comes... posted 19 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

I think Scott has already told us.

Quote: &quot;TDTCB pg. 125 US trade paperback&quot;:nybq5m6w
"He knows this form is but a shell," the Synthese said to Sarcellus, "but I don't see Chigra within him." The pea-sized eyes-little beads of sky blue glass-turned to Inrau. "Hmm, boy? You don't dream the Dream like the others, do you? If you did, you would recognize me. Chigra never failed to recognize me."[/quote:nybq5m6w]

Seems pretty clear that the Synthese can see Seswatha in a Mandate. Now I suppose there is still wiggle room to argue that a skin-spy can't but given what little we have to speculate with, I would say that the skin spy can see Seswatha rather recognizing Akka by face. view post


The No-God posted 20 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by unJon, Auditor

I'm still not convinced about the magnitude of the abberration. The Consult has a good reason to not teach the skin-spies the Gnosis: they would be Marked. So if the skin-spy was to take over a non-sorceror position, he would have to not know the Gnosis or else it would be easy for any Sorceror to notice the infiltration.

For example the skin-spy that takes over Skeas (sp? the emporer's advisor in TDTCB) would have to not know the Gnosis or the Imperial Saik would sniff it out immediately.

While I'm not sure that I believe it myself, I think that we cannot rule out the possibility that all skin spies have souls. It helps explain how they can see Chigra. And then the proportion of skin-spies that can learn sorcery might be the same as the proportion of humans that are among the few (admittedly still a small number). view post


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