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rycanada Peralogue | joined 27 January 2006 | 56 posts


The Meeting between Kellhus & Moenghus? posted 27 January 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus & Moenghus? by rycanada, Peralogue

Sorry, that should have read unite the "world", not rold, which isn't even a word.

Anyway, I wasn't overjoyed by the "reveal"-style ending, but I know the point of the discussion. Kellhus has a categorical split from the thought of the Dunyain - he IS the Warrior-prophet, and he has somehow transcended his humanity (even the sort of super-humanity of the Dunyain). view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 27 January 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

The Inchoroi came to Earwa, realized the existence of, and source of magic. But they don't approach it like a religion - to them, the Outside is more like an alternate dimension. They observed mankind (or at first, Nonmenkind) and realized that they were windows to the outside, just as Achamian describes with his light trick at Xinemus' camp.

Because men and nonmen are windows to the Outside, they are able to do magic - and susceptible to damnation (i.e. they have souls that will have a fate in the Outside after their deaths).

Unfortunately for the Inchoroi, upon reaching Earwa they realized that they themselves (or at least, a few of them) were also "windows to the Outside." Thus, they were also susceptible to "damnation"

But the Inchoroi have a very materialist approach to everything - thus, rather than seeing transcendence in contact with the Outside, they see it as a kind of parallel dimension. Rather than try to redeem themselves, they would prefer to cut this dimension off from that one, to avoid the dangers of beings they cannot hope to dominate, and fates they cannot hope to alter. To a certain extent, they treat emanations of the Outside like we would treat radiation; occasionally something to be used, but mostly a phenomenon to be controlled and eliminated. Their natures are so corrupt that they cannot approach the universe with a real grasp of spiritual philosophy. view post


Explanation for Achamian's survival?? posted 28 January 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtExplanation for Achamian's survival?? by rycanada, Peralogue

I'm ... just not sure. The Ciphrang was bleeding just before Achamian fell... I just don't know if Iyokus "let him go" or if the Ciphrang was too wounded, or just got hit by some third party unseen. I wouldn't be surprised if this had to do with "Do you want to hear a secret?" said by the Old Name to the child picking up the remains of a shattered sorcerer on the battlefield. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 28 January 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

Oh, just to add one more thing - I think the line of reasoning of the Inchoroi that I charted above is also the reason the Dunyain would side with the Consult eventually, in trying to close the world - the influence of the Outside would just be a difficult, unpredictable variable that should be eliminated. Hence Kellhus' actions are on some level a renunciation of the amorality of the Dunyain, although what Kellhus' idea of morality is will be very interesting to see. view post


Explanation for Achamian's survival?? posted 28 January 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtExplanation for Achamian's survival?? by rycanada, Peralogue

One thing: I'd be highly upset if the shattered salted sorcerer being picked up by the child was Achamian, and the other was somehow a Consult spy with a soul. That would just suck (and I don't think it would be fair play, since Achamian is still tormented by dreams). view post


The Meeting between Kellhus & Moenghus? posted 28 January 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus & Moenghus? by rycanada, Peralogue

The Dunyain will side with the Consult, I'm practically certain of it. Otherwise it just won't be a good enough story. Oh, and when the Consult talk about the Architect (I believe they at one point refer to him as human) doesn't that character seem awfully Dunyain-like? view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 28 January 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

I think the Ciphrang might not be much help against the No-god, either. I just can't see them giving the Three Seas a big leg-up for that. view post


Just finished TTT posted 29 January 2006 in Author Q & AJust finished TTT by rycanada, Peralogue

Absolutely fantastic work. Put me in the camp of "Conphas got what was coming to him." Please, oh please, oh please, don't eat, don't sleep, just ... keep writing more books. I'm dying to see what you would produce from a single narrator's perspective, although I know I may have to wait a long time. That would probably be the best fantasy novel ever, like: "Yeah, when we talk about fantasy we have to consider Tolkien, but really, if you're going to read the important stuff in fantasy, you should read R. Scott Bakker." view post


Thousand fold thought ultimately flawed? posted 30 January 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand fold thought ultimately flawed? by rycanada, Peralogue

I think his image of the no-god was a true vision. I don't think he's mad. view post


About TTT - Where can I get one? posted 01 February 2006 in Author Q & AAbout TTT - Where can I get one? by rycanada, Peralogue

I've got TWP and TTT in trade paperback, but I only have this falling-apart mass-market paperback copy of TDTCB. Anyone know where I can get the trade paperback? view post


Bakker's Theory of History? posted 01 February 2006 in Author Q & ABakker's Theory of History? by rycanada, Peralogue

Hello... I love your books. You are the greatest! Don't sleep! Stay up and write more books!

Um... ahem... sorry.

Anyway, I was wondering if you had a deliberate theory of history and the evolution of cultures involved in the backstory creation for Earwa. From Seswatha's memories, and from Kellhus, Moenghus, and Conphas, it seems very great-man-theory-of-history, but I wondered if you had something more elaborate (since the world's history and cultures appear to be so complex). view post


Narative Styles posted 01 February 2006 in Writing TipsNarative Styles by rycanada, Peralogue

It works. Thousands of American authors use it. I personally prefer a more tied-to-character kind of narrative... (hmm... could I be referring to R. Scott Bakker's?) but it's nothing to feel you have to break yourself of - and it certainly shouldn't stop or slow your writing. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 01 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

To clarify, when I described the Inchoroi are "materialist" I don't mean that they don't acknowledge the existence of the Outside, nor that they "caught religion".

Upon reaching Earwa, the Inchoroi recognized the influence of the Outside, but expressly didn't "catch religion" - they approach even the Outside in a materialist way (as a source of the various sorcerous phenomena, and a dwelling place of powerful entities).

For mankind, however, the Outside appears to be something more; as well as being the font from which the gods spring, Achamian's candle illustration seems to indicate a kind of spiritual transcendence. I think this shows that there aren't "multiple worldviews" competing here (at least not with regard to the facts of existence). The influence of the Outside is plainly essential to the story of Earwa. view post


What is Philosophy? posted 01 February 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionWhat is Philosophy? by rycanada, Peralogue

The most general possible discipline of critical enquiry. view post


About TTT - Where can I get one? posted 01 February 2006 in Author Q & AAbout TTT - Where can I get one? by rycanada, Peralogue

No luck even on E-bay!

I am truly cursed for my idiocy.
Once I saw a second hand copy going for seven dollars... and I thought myself too poor to buy it.

I guess I'll have to go to plan B: Sacrificing cows to Penguin Canada for a reprint. view post


Language posted 01 February 2006 in Writing TipsLanguage by rycanada, Peralogue

I've had a lot of luck just sitting down and brainstorming about a hundred words and names in a language, and then working back from that to a set of phonetics. Basically, it lets me start with the feel of the story and work backwards.

For a metopotamian-influenced idea I've come up with I had characters named Akigatei, Muntuurei, Uramu, Namti, Deashi, Gulguud, Abainda, Ishalena, Kem, and so forth, and from those (and a bunch more) I basically made a chart of "syllables" like this:

Initial Sound | Vowel Sound | Coda
A
k i
g a
t ei
M u n
uu
r

You start to get repeats, but make the list and you've got a good idea of how your language would "sound" - and that's about all that I think can be really delivered to the reader anyway. view post


What philosopher suits you most? posted 01 February 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionWhat philosopher suits you most? by rycanada, Peralogue

Machiavelli as a modern gamer: "3\/1|_ FTW!" view post


About TTT - Where can I get one? posted 01 February 2006 in Author Q & AAbout TTT - Where can I get one? by rycanada, Peralogue

Yeah, but I really want the TP... I can get the HC from lots of places... I think I might be able to score one in some Toronto used bookstores. view post


Great News - and please post what work you are all doing. posted 01 February 2006 in Writing TipsGreat News - and please post what work you are all doing. by rycanada, Peralogue

I'm working on something for a few years that's been variously called Skyborn, Legends of the Last Age, and several other titles... although it's pretty fragmented. The most solid piece of more than 10 pages in length is When All Was Sky, a mesopotamian-influenced creation myth which has shaped up quite nicely. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 01 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

I think that the Inchoroi discovered the existence of the Outside (and the fate of their souls, which they seek to avoid) on Earwa because of sorcery. Without such obvious proof of the Outside influencing the world, they could have denied the existence of damnation - or even the soul - but once you add sorcery into the mix, it's undeniable. Their reaction? To avoid pain, work to seal off the Outside. view post


RPG? posted 01 February 2006 in Author Q & ARPG? by rycanada, Peralogue

Also, there's a bit of a money difference... I think for the development of a successful MMORPG companies typically budget in the realm of tens of millions of dollars.

If you can throw down $500,000 to develop a tabletop RPG, you're on your way to making a damn fine game. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 02 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

Sorcery had to come from somewhere. I think explaining the supernatural as a window to the metaphysical works very well.

But more importantly, I think there IS a good explanation for what's going on. This might not be right (i.e. what R. Scott Bakker ultimately reveals) but it's at least a coherent case:

The Outside can be investigated scientifically (i.e. with hypothesis confirmation / contradiction), and it appears what Achamian described as the "light of the Outside" enters into the real world by "peeking through" human beings (i.e. the soul). So it seems to make sense that it doesn't "peek through" in the void of space - only on worlds (hence world-specific influence of the Outside).

Now, the Inchoroi are aware of the influence of the Outside, the existence of the soul (at least among the highest-order Inchoroi), and they're highly concerned with avoiding pain and gaining pleasure (i.e. they want to avoid damnation but have no interest in redeeming themselves). So I think we can conclude that they'd be very aggressively investigating the nature of the interaction of the Outside and Earwa. Thus, I think it's appropriate to assume that their actions are at least well-grounded in an understanding of that interaction (they wouldn't hold back from gaining immediate pleasure unless they believed they had a good reason).

From the way the situation has been described, the Outside's influence on Earwa seems much like liquid under pressure coming through a membrane: If there are enough holes for water to get through, then the water flows, but there are only very few, the membrane holds and nothing comes through. In the case of the Outside and Earwa, this would mean the Outside would be shut off (no flow between it and Earwa), saving the Inchoroi from damnation. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 02 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

I agree - Aurax and Aurang have souls. But as I said, I don't think it takes "just one hole". If it did, the Inchoroi's position would be incoherent. I think there's got to be a critical mass (see my membrane analogy).

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Glad to see we have this forum posted 02 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Grallon&quot;:2tvevrvm
And that is where the bone of contention lies. It *is* incoherent to postulate the existence of metaphysical superbeings, as evidenced by their influence through the agency of sentient underbeings, while at the same time making said influence, ergo said deties' very existence, contingent on an arbitrary number of souls. G.[/quote:2tvevrvm]

Hamana... wha? I don't see how the deities' existence is brought into question by the contingency of their influence. But hey, as I said, you seem determined to be dissatisfied, but as long as you're planning on buying more of R. Scott Bakker's books (and thereby encouraging the publication of the Aspect-Emperor) I'm happy. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 03 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

Grallon, I don't think calling Nauticus a fanboi is going to help your argue the point (i.e. you'll convince fewer people, not more, by doing so). I can understand why you don't like the pacing, or what happened to Conphas, but regardless of that, if there's a convincing case for the incoherency of the given explanation of TTT's magical/ metaphysical/ spiritual content, I'm happy to hear it. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 03 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

Well, I think it's pretty clear that I've read your posts, given I've already responded to the points you made. You've called it incoherent. I've explained one plausible scenario where it is coherent. You haven't made any rejoinders. Feel free to stick with your view, but I can't figure out why you'd expect anyone else to agree. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 04 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

Thanks entropic, that's exactly my point (and it's that further point you're describing which I felt has not met with a rejoinder). Grallon, I did read your post quite carefully, and that's why I made the point about the contingency of the gods' influence not being a mark against their existence. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 04 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by rycanada, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Grallon&quot;:26aj4021
Certes, but there's no reason to shy away from an argument simply because the debate gets slightly virile.G.[/quote:26aj4021]

Well... it can be a sign that arguing is pointless. i.e. if neither party is capable of being convinced, and it spirals deeper into negativity, then "shying away" (which I think is a mischaracterization of agreeing to disagree) is the more productive option. Regardless, I think we can pull back from it if there are more points to be made. view post


Starring &quot;Insert Actor Here&quot; as Kelhuss! posted 06 February 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionStarring &quot;Insert Actor Here&quot; as Kelhuss! by rycanada, Peralogue

Christopher Walken as Kellhus - they'd have to do his makeup well to soften his features a bit, but he's got a unique rhythm to his speech and great physical acting that I think would really match Kellhus' hard-to-capture otherness. view post


Cloud Atlas posted 07 February 2006 in Literature DiscussionCloud Atlas by rycanada, Peralogue

Seconded. view post


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