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The Warrior Prophet in Australia? posted 03 June 2006 in The Warrior ProphetThe Warrior Prophet in Australia? by professor plum, Peralogue

It's out here (in New Zealand, mind) now — I've seen it in Dymocks.

TTT is apparently not out here until the end of July. I'd thought it was due at the end of May, but when I called a local bookstore on Wednesday they gave me a date of July 31st. I ended up caving in and ordering the trade paperback from Amazon.co.uk. It cost me an extra $10 or so, but that's fine — I was fed up with waiting. Plus it arrived today via standard international post, which is nice. I haven't even finished my re-read of TWP yet! view post


Dan Brown posted 07 June 2006 in Literature DiscussionDan Brown by professor plum, Peralogue

The Da Vinci Code was hilariously bad. Well-paced, but then, so are trains right before they wreck. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

My favourite line: “A sea of blue police lights and sirens erupted at the bottom of the hill and began snaking up the half-mile driveway.” Oh dear. Sadly none of those howlers translated into the film adaptation. Whatever you do, don't let anyone drag you along to see it... view post


The Aspect-Emperor posted 26 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by professor plum, Peralogue

I don't have TDTCB on-hand to check, but beneath Ishüal lie the &quot;Thousand Thousand Halls&quot;, correct? (Where those Dunyaïn &quot;tainted&quot; by Moënghus's sorcerous dream went to die.) That has to be a Mansion. view post


Is Achamian the No God? (TWP, pg 12)... posted 23 April 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Achamian the No God? (TWP, pg 12)... by professor plum, Peralogue

Long post follows. Could be a load of bollocks. You have been warned!

What do we know about the No-God?
His presence in the World prevents live human births (I recall a mention of &quot;the great cycle of souls&quot; being interrupted). He can control Sranc, Bashrag and Wracu &quot;as extensions of his own will&quot; (No-God, Encyclopedic Glossary, TTT). His armour is a carapace adorned with chorae, surrounded by a giant whirlwind. He seems either ignorant to his own nature or inordinately focused on others' perceptions of him (&quot;WHO AM I?&quot;; &quot;WHAT DO YOU SEE?&quot;) — I would assume the former, given that he has a habit of killing those in a position to answer his questions. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

The theory I'm toying with at the moment is that these attributes point to the No-God being the repository of souls, torn from the Outside and trapped within the Carapace via the Aporos, conveniently acting as both a defense and a prison. This theory seems (to me, anyway) to satisfy the &quot;why?&quot; questions about the No-God:

Why are there no live human births?
Easy: having a soul is necessary for human life. If all the souls are locked up in the Carapace...

Why is Mog-Pharau ignorant of his own nature?
Perhaps because self-awareness is new to him. Soulled beings in the World are self-aware, and quite possibly they are in the Outside, given the stuff about demons binding summoners for eternity after they bite the big one. But are they ever coerced into a single entity? Alternatively, Mog-as-Oversoul, residing in the Outside, may have always been as unknowing as we see him in the books*. Either way, as yet we still have no idea how the Consult bound him.

Why can he control Sranc, Bashrag and Wracu?
They are unsoulled. If Mog-Pharau is a vast bank of souls, given fledgling sentience by virtue of being thrust into the World... you can see where I'm going here. Put a bunch of Sranc near him and he can use his Soul Power (apologies to the late James Brown) to override their animal impulses — perhaps the mechanism involves assigning one Mog-Soul per Sranc. Why can't he do this to humans? They have souls, and while we know souls can be compelled via sorcery, we haven't seen anything to suggest that they can be overridden by other souls.

On something of a tangent, perhaps the Plains of Mengedda being haunted (by those slain in the final battle against the No-God during the Apocalypse) answers a question about where souls go when their usual egress from the World is closed. Into the ground? Where they stay, by the looks of things. (Or maybe I'm completely wrong, and the &quot;The land remembers&quot; interpretation offered by one of the characters holds. But that only raises further questions!)

Anyway, if I'm on to something with the above, I don't think any one character we've encountered will &quot;become&quot; the No-God (imagine Achamian speaking through the mouths of a thousand Sranc. &quot;COME TO ME, ESMI. KELLHUS, YOU ARE STILL A DICK&quot;).

*Perhaps this is why Kellhus perceives the No-God as he does. It's been a while since I read the last two books, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Mog's described as being an old man sitting on a hill beneath a tree, still asking the same questions. Who knows, maybe Kellhus will avert the Second Apocalypse by figuring it all out and helping the No-God make sense of himself. 'Cause, like, man, what does he see, you know?

Other questions:
Why would the Scylvendi worship the No-God? Maybe someone convinced them they were damned. Maybe a God of Destruction aligned with their own inclinations just so. Maybe they bargained with the Consult for control of Kûniüri/Eämnor in return for worship and allegiance. Plenty of possibilities there.

But why would the Consult worship the No-God, ostensibly an entity either summoned and bound by them or an invention of their own devising? Here's my theory: we know Mog-Pharau is the key to their twisted brand of salvation. What if the Consult has realised that belief warps reality in Eärwa? If so, there's a strong incentive for them to at least appear to worship the No-God, so as to improve the chances of others (e.g., the Scylvendi) worshipping it too (as a greater number of worshippers would, presumably, increase the No-God's power). This raises another question — why set about eradicating soulled life instead of controlling it via religion? Perhaps they used the Scylvendi as a test case, or perhaps they reasoned that competing belief systems (which might reintroduce the promise of damnation) would inevitably reappear. Or maybe they just like all the blood and guts and slaughter. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Regarding the original post:

Quote: &quot;TWP,pg 12&quot;:1ed6xh2c

&quot;Who am I? he would often think, listening to Kellus's melodious voice. What do you see?&quot;
[/quote:1ed6xh2c]
In terms of awareness, how about &quot;Kellhus is to ordinary people as ordinary people are to the No-God&quot;? Achamian is in awe of the depth of Kellhus's perception, and this makes him question himself. The No-God seems to have the same reaction when encountering humans.

Spoiler for the final book of The Second Apocalypse (highlight):
No-God: &quot;WHO AM I? WHAT DO YOU SEE?&quot;
Kellhus: &quot;Search your feelings, bro.&quot;


[Edit: added emphasis for clarity.] view post


Is Achamian the No God? (TWP, pg 12)... posted 23 April 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Achamian the No God? (TWP, pg 12)... by professor plum, Peralogue

I'm not sure we should simply assume that the No-God has destructive motivations of his own. If the No-God has been summoned from the Outside, is it a stretch to posit that he would be bound to the will of the Mangaecca, just as the ciphrang was bound to that of Iyokus?

Seems to me that if you were going to summon something that powerful, you'd make sure you'd be able to control it. view post


Is Achamian the No God? (TWP, pg 12)... posted 23 April 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Achamian the No God? (TWP, pg 12)... by professor plum, Peralogue

Any idea where in the books that's mentioned? view post


Is Achamian the No God? (TWP, pg 12)... posted 24 April 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Achamian the No God? (TWP, pg 12)... by professor plum, Peralogue

Yeah, the general thing. If Aurax/Aurang refer to him specifically as Tactics Mog, that kind of puts an end to the bound-by-sorcery speculation.

So far I haven't been able to find anything in the Encyclopedic Glossary that mentions General Mog's tactical prowess. view post


art work posted 10 May 2007 in The Thousandfold Thoughtart work by professor plum, Peralogue

If you look at it upside down it looks like a mustachioed cat in a hat.

Not sure if there's one of those in the books, though. view post


Kellhus - a tool of the Gods or just a tool? posted 08 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus - a tool of the Gods or just a tool? by professor plum, Peralogue

Man. I think I'm going to have to go read TDTCB again. view post


Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 23 June 2007 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by professor plum, Peralogue

That's definitely the impression I formed, Harrol. Sticking with my oversoul theory for now... view post


Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 24 June 2007 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by professor plum, Peralogue

Sure thing, anor. What follows is a copy/paste of a couple of posts I made in the &quot;Is Achamian the No God&quot; thread a few months back. Bit of a ramblefest, but maybe some food for thought nevertheless...

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Long post follows. Could be a load of bollocks. You have been warned!

What do we know about the No-God?
His presence in the World prevents live human births (I recall a mention of &quot;the great cycle of souls&quot; being interrupted). He can control Sranc, Bashrag and Wracu &quot;as extensions of his own will&quot; (No-God, Encyclopedic Glossary, TTT). His armour is a carapace adorned with chorae, surrounded by a giant whirlwind. He seems either ignorant to his own nature or inordinately focused on others' perceptions of him (&quot;WHO AM I?&quot;; &quot;WHAT DO YOU SEE?&quot;) — I would assume the former, given that he has a habit of killing those in a position to answer his questions. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

The theory I'm toying with at the moment is that these attributes point to the No-God being the repository of souls, torn from the Outside and trapped within the Carapace via the Aporos, conveniently acting as both a defense and a prison. This theory seems (to me, anyway) to satisfy the &quot;why?&quot; questions about the No-God:

Why are there no live human births?
Easy: having a soul is necessary for human life. If all the souls are locked up in the Carapace...

Why is Mog-Pharau ignorant of his own nature?
Perhaps because self-awareness is new to him. Soulled beings in the World are self-aware, and quite possibly they are in the Outside, given the stuff about demons binding summoners for eternity after they bite the big one. But are they ever coerced into a single entity? Alternatively, Mog-as-Oversoul, residing in the Outside, may have always been as unknowing as we see him in the books*. Either way, as yet we still have no idea how the Consult bound him.

Why can he control Sranc, Bashrag and Wracu?
They are unsoulled. If Mog-Pharau is a vast bank of souls, given fledgling sentience by virtue of being thrust into the World... you can see where I'm going here. Put a bunch of Sranc near him and he can use his Soul Power (apologies to the late James Brown) to override their animal impulses — perhaps the mechanism involves assigning one Mog-Soul per Sranc. Why can't he do this to humans? They have souls, and while we know souls can be compelled via sorcery, we haven't seen anything to suggest that they can be overridden by other souls.

On something of a tangent, perhaps the Plains of Mengedda being haunted (by those slain in the final battle against the No-God during the Apocalypse) answers a question about where souls go when their usual egress from the World is closed. Into the ground? Where they stay, by the looks of things. (Or maybe I'm completely wrong, and the &quot;The land remembers&quot; interpretation offered by one of the characters holds. But that only raises further questions!)

Anyway, if I'm on to something with the above, I don't think any one character we've encountered will &quot;become&quot; the No-God (imagine Achamian speaking through the mouths of a thousand Sranc. &quot;COME TO ME, ESMI. KELLHUS, YOU ARE STILL A DICK&quot;).

*Perhaps this is why Kellhus perceives the No-God as he does. It's been a while since I read the last two books, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Mog's described as being an old man sitting on a hill beneath a tree, still asking the same questions. Who knows, maybe Kellhus will avert the Second Apocalypse by figuring it all out and helping the No-God make sense of himself. 'Cause, like, man, what does he see, you know?

Other questions:
Why would the Scylvendi worship the No-God? Maybe someone convinced them they were damned. Maybe a God of Destruction aligned with their own inclinations just so. Maybe they bargained with the Consult for control of Kûniüri/Eämnor in return for worship and allegiance. Plenty of possibilities there.

But why would the Consult worship the No-God, ostensibly an entity either summoned and bound by them or an invention of their own devising? Here's my theory: we know Mog-Pharau is the key to their twisted brand of salvation. What if the Consult has realised that belief warps reality in Eärwa? If so, there's a strong incentive for them to at least appear to worship the No-God, so as to improve the chances of others (e.g., the Scylvendi) worshipping it too (as a greater number of worshippers would, presumably, increase the No-God's power). This raises another question — why set about eradicating soulled life instead of controlling it via religion? Perhaps they used the Scylvendi as a test case, or perhaps they reasoned that competing belief systems (which might reintroduce the promise of damnation) would inevitably reappear. Or maybe they just like all the blood and guts and slaughter. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Regarding the original post:

Quote: &quot;TWP,pg 12&quot;:3s4d5hbg

&quot;Who am I? he would often think, listening to Kellus's melodious voice. What do you see?&quot;
[/quote:3s4d5hbg]
In terms of awareness, how about &quot;Kellhus is to ordinary people as ordinary people are to the No-God&quot;? Achamian is in awe of the depth of Kellhus's perception, and this makes him question himself. The No-God seems to have the same reaction when encountering humans.

Spoiler for the final book of The Second Apocalypse (highlight):
No-God: &quot;WHO AM I? WHAT DO YOU SEE?&quot;
Kellhus: &quot;Search your feelings, bro.&quot;


=====================

I'm not sure we should simply assume that the No-God has destructive motivations of his own. If the No-God has been summoned from the Outside, is it a stretch to posit that he would be bound to the will of the Mangaecca, just as the ciphrang was bound to that of Iyokus?

Seems to me that if you were going to summon something that powerful, you'd make sure you'd be able to control it.

===================== view post


Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 26 June 2007 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by professor plum, Peralogue

But why would such a virus be tied to the No-God? Why would people be able to feel his dreadful presence beyond the horizon if he was just a monster-controlling death factory?

A mundane cause of universal stillbirths would require a pretty damn effective transmission mechanism. It wasn't some or many or most babies that were stillborn while the No-God was around, it was every single one. And that stopped after he was heronspeared, right? (Or am I speculating?) So, in Eärwa, I think the metaphysical explanation for this is more plausible.

Man I feel like a loser for typing that last sentence.

Anyway, I fully admit that my theory is pretty much idle speculation spun out into a rather long post. What I do think it has going for it, though, is that it seems to answer a bunch of questions without throwing up too many new ones.

As for Mog's accursed remains, well, Achamian doesn't know what the No-God is. For all we know the Consult may have merely collected the remnants of the Carapace. view post


Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 26 June 2007 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by professor plum, Peralogue

Yeah, that could easily be the case. Like he's just a huge version of Esmenet's soul-eating navel piercing. Conch shell, whatever it was (I forget).

Wouldn't that would imply that his personality is nascent rather than vestigial? And if that's the case, why is Kellhus chatting with him? I suppose Mog still being around could merely be an unintentional side-effect of the Consult's design.

Guess we'll have to wait and see! Er, not about the deathpenis. I can live without ever thinking of that ever again... view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 10 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by professor plum, Peralogue

I don't think souls and carnal desire are on a spectrum. If the Inchoroi did not possess souls, why would they be worried about damnation? After all, they would then be purely mundane beings and therefore should be solely concerned with staying alive. view post


Why did the consult kill xerius? posted 16 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhy did the consult kill xerius? by professor plum, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:3da9mj0o
Hmm, I have read a Q&amp;A with Scott where this question was asked (re: Xerius' mom) and apparently she was a skin spy the whole time (i.e. she was displaced well before TDtcB).[/quote:3da9mj0o]
Makes sense. I just reread TDTCB and there's a passage of Xerius's internal monologue in which he notes that something about Istriya's face looks wrong, or different. At another point he makes the same observation about Skeaös.

Incidentally, elsewhere Esmenet has the same feeling about Sarcellus. So it would seem that normal people naturally pick up on the same subtleties of face — or, rather, the lack thereof — that Kellhus has been trained to read. view post


What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 17 July 2007 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by professor plum, Peralogue

Paris Hilton seems to have trolled the U.S. relatively successfully. view post


What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 19 July 2007 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by professor plum, Peralogue

And when they fail, they'll attempt to destroy instead... Just like with Paris Hilton. Her prison sentence was a farce set up by the Super Global Conspiracy®. She was supposed to die in there — but what the SGC® hadn't counted on were her superhuman reflexes and fighting ability. view post


What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 29 July 2007 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by professor plum, Peralogue

That's Anasûrimbor Paris to you, xatantius. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> view post


Holy War/Crusades similarities posted 03 August 2007 in General DiscusssionHoly War/Crusades similarities by professor plum, Peralogue

I'd also point out that Italy was ruled by sorcerers in the Middle Ages. Game, set, match!

My dad has black hair and blue eyes and he's of Celt/Anglo Saxon stock. If that helps. view post


The Aspect-Emperor posted 18 August 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by professor plum, Peralogue

Gnnnggghhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnnghhhhchhhhhcchjhchhhh!!!!!!! view post


R. Scott, can we get a box set??? posted 23 September 2007 in Author Q &amp; AR. Scott, can we get a box set??? by professor plum, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:3dxax31s
All mine are different sizes/editions.

Lol, can I get a leatherbound set? That would be sweet, &amp; go well with my rich mahogany furniture.[/quote:3dxax31s]
And your smoking jacket? view post


R. Scott, can we get a box set??? posted 23 September 2007 in Author Q &amp; AR. Scott, can we get a box set??? by professor plum, Peralogue

Last night someone I was talking to made a reference to a plot element from season three of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I failed to get that one too, which just goes to show that Will Ferrell = giant mayor-worm. view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 23 November 2007 in Author Q &amp; AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by professor plum, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:dniyxtui
I think this question was specifically addressed in the firt novel. Those Dunyain capable of sorcery were (reasonably) also the ones capable of communication with Moenghus. With the exception of Kellhus, all these individuals committed suicide to prevent contamination of Ishual by outside influence. The current Dunyain, therefore, have no potential sorcerors.[/quote:dniyxtui]
My recollection is that sorcerous communication requires that the sorceror's intended recipient is known to the sorceror, not that the sorceror's intended recipient be a sorceror himself.

Of course both could be true, but then there are plenty of examples in the books of sorcery affecting non-sorcerors. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 02 December 2007 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by professor plum, Peralogue

But Achamian is a &quot;fucking pick&quot;, remember? He's not tanned from all the seafaring, he's black. view post


Kellhus' Story believable? posted 02 December 2007 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeKellhus' Story believable? by professor plum, Peralogue

Nah, I don't think it's implausible. There is little trade between the North and the Three Seas.

Check out this dude:
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Akka posted 03 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by professor plum, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Starrs&quot;:1kdg4pkn
Talk about power levels[/quote:1kdg4pkn]
Yes, well. It's over 9000. view post


Akka posted 09 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by professor plum, Peralogue

Achamian is going to join the Consult?

You sure you read the same books as the rest of us? <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Akka posted 10 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by professor plum, Peralogue

It really was a mistake for Bakker to reveal the No-God's final form here.

Who would win in a fight between an Übermensch and an Überhubschrauber? view post


Akka posted 11 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by professor plum, Peralogue

Yes. He also revealed that the No-God can also turn into a tank. And is a Decepticon. view post


Neuropath out in 2008? posted 13 January 2008 in Off-Topic DiscussionNeuropath out in 2008? by professor plum, Peralogue

Cover art's up now. Nothing amazing.

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