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posted 24 Oct 2005, 09:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSerious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... by zarathustra, Peralogue

My reading is that Maithanet is Moenghus. This comes form not only the fact that he appears from the deep South but the nature of how fast he gains power. This is similar to the length of time Khellus takes from coming in as a complete unknown to assuming command of the Holy War. The descriptions of Maithanet point to his ability to inspire reverance through his presence and use of his voice. This is particularly illustrated by the way he handles Proyas. It seems possible that Moenghus could have gained control of a faction within the Cishaurim before moving on. It would also explain how Maithanet knew the Cishaurim and the Scarlet Spires were at war. view post

posted 04 Nov 2005, 13:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSerious TTT thoughts, predictions, ideas... by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes I really like the idea of Maithanet being Moenghus' son or at least an agent. Couldn't someone like Inrau be able to tell if a person is a sorcerer or not without being a sorcerer themselves? In guessing Moenghus's purpose I would say that the Holy War is an attempt to unite the whole of the Three Seas. I also think that he wants the destruction of the scarlet spires this can be seen by the assasination of their old leader and when the Cishaurim that speaks to Khellus calling the Scarlet spires 'whores'. This would be due to them being used by the Consult. Perhaps their use of sorcery to summon demons makes them particularly dangerous. Or in a piece of wild speculation perhaps this was learnt from the Consult. view post

Khellus and transhumanism posted 05 Nov 2005, 23:11 in Author Q & AKhellus and transhumanism by zarathustra, Peralogue

Hi Scott I was wondering how much Khellus embodies current thinking regarding the belief of tranhumanism. Do you see the possibility of someone being able to mirror his thoughts and actions in real life? Is he just a fantasy figure or does he show how much human potential there is if we are not caught up in a particular thought/belief structures? view post

posted 13 Nov 2005, 15:11 in Author Q & AKhellus and transhumanism by zarathustra, Peralogue

Most of my understanding of transhumanism comes form a series of novels with the title "Requiem for Homo Sapiens" This has some brilliant ideas in it like humans turning themselves into computers the size of planets(!) though it is seriously flawed in other respects. I would also argue that the Dune novels follow themes of transhumanism. It is interesting that characters such as Leto and Paul Atreides seem to act for the benefit of humanity. One of the things I am really looking forward to in TTT is finding out whether Moenghus and Kellhus are acting for mankinds benefit in saving them from the Consult or are just pursuing wisdom for its own sake. If the former case then that would certainly make Kellhus' actions morally justifiable in the sense that they are done for the greater good or "the end justifies the means". I imagined Neuropath to be a cyberpunk novel as it is set in the near future and I am sure will inevitably be pretty dark. view post

posted 20 Nov 2005, 10:11 in Author Q & ABattle of Titans by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes I see the potential for a spin-off series... view post

posted 28 Nov 2005, 15:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAdvance Review of The Thousandfold Thought by zarathustra, Peralogue

I was unable to hang out until January or whenever TTT is launched in the UK so I decided to purchase an advance reader copy on ebay. The third book in the series is more reflective in that there are long ruminations from the characters regarding their thoughts and motives. There are less perspectives from Kellhus himself who seems to both drive and stand outside the action. A careful reading of what has gone before should lead the reader to predict many of the events of TTT. However there are some major surprises as well; what haapens to Cnauir is particularly interesting. Scott seems to hold back from the nihilism of the previous two novels and in particular it seems more in line with his agnostic views. The real joy for me though was the massive and detailed glossary that appears at the back of the book. Particularly interesting are entries on the Cuno Inchori Wars, the first Apocalypse and the Heron Spear. It becomes apparent that a lifetime of thought has gone into the creation of this series. Some readers may find that it spoils their reading of the book if they look at the glossary first but they will need far more will power than me to resist. Many threads are tied up in TTT however there is also much that is left up in the air and from the glossary it is apparent that there is a huge amount of material to be fleshed out. In particular I am looking forward to more detail on Zeum and the remaining Nonmen. I am also still confused by some of the action and must admit that I still don’t really know what the thousandfold thought is. I am looking forward now to other people reading it so I can discuss further on this forum. view post

posted 14 Dec 2005, 11:12 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by zarathustra, Peralogue

For me its still kind of ambigous even at the end of TTT. But I can still make a couple of points without plot spoilers. At the end of the warrior prophet Cnauir says that he will do anything to kill Moenghus even kneel under hot seed. Conphas provokes the Scylvendi by buggering their captives in view of their army. I remember that Bible scholars interepreting the prohibition against homosexuality as rather against the raping of prisoners of war. I would say that Cnauir's sexual identity is tied to violence and domination whether it is men or women. As they say he is deffinately a giver rather than a reciever. I really hope my internet usage is not being monitored! view post

posted 19 Jan 2006, 21:01 in Author Q & ARegarding the Dunyain by zarathustra, Peralogue

I am always slightly puzzled by the dunyain aim to control all circumstance. For me the problem with this is that one dunyain munk cannot except a command from another. The Dunyain community should rather be a case of complete anarchy. Or bloody dictatorship as each monk seeks to control the others Yet from what Scott has revealed so far there seems to be a ruling council: the Pragma. Can you fills in a bit more on how the community works or am I already probing Aspect Emporer plotlines Scott? By the way here is a site that gives an insight into what being conditioned would mean for a human and some of the techniques that the Dunyain would possibly see as useful to go along the path to being a self moving soul. view post

posted 25 Jan 2006, 10:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by zarathustra, Peralogue

I think Kellhus has become too powerful by the end of TTT as Grallon says his mastery of the Gnosis will be immense in twenty years. He also seems now to be invulnerable to Chorea if I read correctly the battle he has with the Cishaurim. It seems clear that he has the beating of the two remaining Inchori though the No-God will still remain a problem. Check out also a Consult member called Shaenora(sic?) who will no doubt cause some problems in Aspect Emperor. However the Three Seas itself seems in less good shape. The Holy War will have all but destoyed all active armies in the region. Plus the two most powerful schools have been devastated/destroyed. This would leave all nations vulnerable to being overrun by Sranc. Khellus would have to immedaitely start trainning all the Three Seas children for war. It would be my guess that Aspect Emperor will begin with Kellhus hard pressed and needing to go to Zeum to persuade them to lend their armies in support. But then he can probably teleport himself there... view post

posted 25 Jan 2006, 11:01 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat book or book series reminds you most of PON by zarathustra, Peralogue

For me the book I can compare the Prince of Nothing series most closely to is James Clavell's Shogun novel. In many ways the Shogun Taranake(sic?) resmbles Kellhus in his ruthlessness and ability to manipulate events and people. There are also some good battle scenes though the writer ducks out of describing the main battle at the end. The novel also gave me a better understanding of Japanesse culture but it doesn't have the depth and philosophical weight of the Prince of Nothing series. Still a very good read that I'd recommend to everyone on the board. view post

Spoilerish question regarding Sorcery posted 27 Jan 2006, 21:01 in Author Q & ASpoilerish question regarding Sorcery by zarathustra, Peralogue

I was re-reading the passage where Kellhus describes how sorcery works to Achaimian. It takes a few readings to grasp. Anyway I was thinking that it must be an advantage to all sorcerors to become blind whether Cishaurim or not as they have the advantage of being able to comprehend the outside or many better. Is this the case or am I misunderstanding what you have written? The other question concerns the Mysunsai, I read their reference in the glossary are they now based in any one place and how do they recruit and train their members? Are there any other details that you can share with us on them? thanks view post

posted 28 Jan 2006, 19:01 in Author Q & ASpoilerish question regarding Sorcery by zarathustra, Peralogue

Thanks for the reply Scott its kind of what I should have guessed at. Any more information on the Mysunsai would be brilliant for some reason they really interest me. I don't think they will play a big part in things but the idea of mercenary sorcerors would be great for spin-off stories. view post

posted 03 Feb 2006, 09:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by zarathustra, Peralogue

Its actually Anaxophous the Kianian king that rides alongside Seswatha in the chariot. For me the dream represents Achamians guilt at betraying Seswatha. This is due to the fact that he revealed Kellhus' location to the skin spies and Cnauir. He has to a certian extent become an agent of the Consult by doing this and hence this is reflected in the dream where Anaxophous becomes an agent of the Consult. For me the No God at the momment is like Sauron from Lord of the Rings he does not have actual power as he does not have a substantiated body in the real world but is still more than making his prescence felt. It is interesting that Kellhus says to Aurang that he is now coming for everyone including the Consult. I don't know what to make of Kellhus talking to Seswatha directly I think we'll have to wait for AE for that one. view post

posted 06 Feb 2006, 09:02 in Author Q & ABashrag by zarathustra, Peralogue

To use the Lord of the Rings analogy I tended to think of them as the equivalent of trolls. Scott is using his trick of sketching out a description before providing more detial in a later book. There isn't a glossary entry for them in my advanced readers copy version. I was wondering if there were many of them still around in the present Three Seas? view post

posted 07 Feb 2006, 13:02 in Author Q & ABashrag by zarathustra, Peralogue

Sorry should have been more explicit there meant whole of Earwa rather than just The Three Seas. No I can't imagine there are any in the Three Seas itself they would be quite conspicous. I would guess that there are some in the far North. I can't think the Consult would have too much use for them at the moment as they don't seem the sharpest tools in the box. However come a major battle I'm sure they'll come into play... view post

Inrau's sorcery posted 08 Feb 2006, 10:02 in Author Q & AInrau's sorcery by zarathustra, Peralogue

Thanks for answering all the questions Scott there can't be too many writers that would go to this length. But I have a couple more questions: 1) What sorcery does Inrau use when he is attacked by the Consult? I would have assumed the Gnosis but from the description given of Kellhus' training this would seem difficult as Inrau would have had to have damned himself earlier. It seems to come from a more emotional level like the Cishaurim. 2) Why do the Cishaurim not intervene in the battle outside Caraksand? Related to this is why do the Cishaurim let Acahamian and Xinemus into Caraksand were they under orders from Moenghus? view post

posted 08 Feb 2006, 10:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCnaiur by zarathustra, Peralogue

I don't think we are going to get any 'closure' on this judging by Scotts answer in the other section. So here is a bit of wild speculation on my part: Cnauir's fighting prowess is preserved by the Tekne and he is charged with leading the Scylvendi into battle once again on the side of the Consult. view post

Mekeritrig posted 11 Feb 2006, 20:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by zarathustra, Peralogue

My two favourite scenes in the Prince of Noting series are the scenes involving Mekeritrig. The first one is when he fights Kellhus at the start of the TDTCB the second (it does not mention who the Noman is in the book itself it is later confirmed by Scott that it is Mekeritrig.) The second is the start of TTT where in a dream Seswatha is tortured by Mekeritrig on the Wall of Dagliash. Now reading between the lines here it would appear to me that Mekeritrig turned traitor on the Consult and released Seswatha. I can base this on the fact that Mekeritrig tells Kellhus that he has fought for and against the No-God during the Apocalypse. In the glossary Mekeritrig is descibed as a ranking member of the Consult during the apocalypse wheras Aurang and Aurax are described as ranking members of the Consult. In the Mekeritrig's conversation with Seswatha its seems that he is being persuaded to release or at least end Seswatha's suffering. Perhaps Seswatha succeeded as his position looked pretty hopeless otherwise. Whether this is the case or not I would expect Mekeritrig to play a large role in the Aspect Empire. At least I hope so as he is such an interesting character. view post

posted 15 Feb 2006, 09:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? by zarathustra, Peralogue

Reading the replies there it reminded me of how many great scenes there are in the trilogy. As I stated previously I really liked the two scenes that involved Mekeritrig. Also I really enjoyed when Kellhus is persued by the skin spies in TWP and how he uses a mixture of physical ability and intelligence to defeat them. view post

posted 16 Feb 2006, 09:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by zarathustra, Peralogue

Man it's seriously disconcerting having Mog Pharau turn up on the Forum. view post

posted 17 Feb 2006, 09:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by zarathustra, Peralogue

Thats a really cool design and signature Mog. I think you may be getting confused between the void i.e. the universe and the outside which is the spiritual realm. The outside is the one that the Inchori want to seal off by killing a certian number of men (a critical mass?). view post

posted 19 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes Mithfânion, I would agree that the No-God was summoned just as much by the Mangaecca than being a product of the Tekne this is kind of alluded to in TTT where Aurang talks of the cunning of men ressurecting their aborted designs. I think though that Sranc Bashrag and Wracu do not have souls as this is something that the Tekne cannot normally produce apart from the one accidental skin spy. I think that is important in understanding how the No-God can control them as extensions of his will. Along with this is the fact that all children are still born; it could be said that they do not have souls. This would suggest to me that the No-Gods precence in the world can be seen as partly sealing it off from the outside i.e. no new souls can enter the world. I wonder if the No-God has a soul himself. Perhaps not as he does not seem to be properly self aware. Yet he no doubt exists as a force in the outside There is a curious passage in TTT were Cnauir talks about his new skin spy 'friends' he says that they are "keepers of the inverse flame". I think that is important but I don't know why. view post

posted 19 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDunyain and Technology by zarathustra, Peralogue

Of course Kellhus free from the Dunyain 'mission' could over the next twenty years apply his intellect and scientific reasoning to produce some pretty awesome weapons. But this is unlikely as there are pobably biggers wins produced by his explortion of the Gnosis. view post

posted 22 Feb 2006, 10:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhat should we have anticipated? by zarathustra, Peralogue

For me the biggest revelation in TTT was how Cishaurim magic worked. This couldn't have been anticipated. It meant that Moenghus himself could not become as powerful as he wanted to be. I had always thought that the Scarlet Spires were contolled in some way by the Consult and thought that was the reason the Cishaurim had attacked them under Moenghus' direction. I guess though if someone needs to call their son for help they can't be all powerful and I wish I had seen that. view post

posted 23 Feb 2006, 14:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by zarathustra, Peralogue

In I think the Warrior Prophet there is a remark about when the Inchori actually used to be a species. So perhaps they used to reproduce naturally then started to use the Tekne to reproduce i.e. A Brave New World type scenario. Then when they lost full knowledge of how the Tekne worked (as a result of the crash?) they found themselves stranded in that they could no longer use that for reproduction and were unable to go back to more traditional means because they had changed themselves so much. Perhaps a possible scenario for the future of the human race? view post

A poll on souls posted 24 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtA poll on souls by zarathustra, Peralogue

As it has divided the board so much recently I have commisioned a poll to see what is the make up of people who believe that the Inchoroi creations have souls. view post

posted 04 Mar 2006, 17:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSuper-Sorcery by zarathustra, Peralogue

I kind of asked Scott a similar question here is his answer: The idea is that sorcery is primarily discursive, and as such, tied to the ability to see (there's a long tradition in continental philosophy critiquing the centrality of visual metaphors in Western philosophical discourse). The psukhe, on the other hand, is primarily emotive. So the idea would be that where sorcery captures fragments of the God's intellect, the psukhe expresses instants of the God's heart. Since the former is cognitive, which is to say, admits of being more or less true, it necessarily falls short. Since the latter is not cognitive, it is indistiguishable from the God's own world. [/quote] So I wouldn't have said its possible to combine the two from that. view post

posted 07 Mar 2006, 09:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSol / Hertata by zarathustra, Peralogue

I'd assumed that at least Sol would become a character in the AE but then I thought Aenglas(sic?) would have a role in TTT. view post

posted 07 Mar 2006, 13:03 in Author Q & ATTT Encyclopedia by zarathustra, Peralogue

While no TTT suprises are given away in the appendix I think that looking at it would profoundly affect the way you read TTT. I would suggest if u can not looking at the appendix until the end but you will need far more will power than me to not look up entries such as the Heron Spear or the Cuno Inchoroi wars. Good luck. view post

posted 08 Mar 2006, 09:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by zarathustra, Peralogue

I actually think the Circle of Nibel will prove to be a gnostic school. My only evidence for thsi is that at one point Scott admitted there were two Gnostic schools in the Three Seas. Fraid I haven't got time to dig that quote up. Also the name itself seems Gnostic rather than Anagogic in that it refers to a Geometric shape. view post

posted 09 Mar 2006, 13:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes that's a great idea for the Nonmen White Lord and I have a feeling it may prove accurate. As I'm sure you know Scott has something planned for Cil Aujis so it is possible that the Knights of Tryse and perhaps the Circle of Nibel are hiding out there. Of course it could be used by the Consult but I don't think they need anywhere to hide in the North. view post

posted 10 Mar 2006, 16:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by zarathustra, Peralogue

You are right there is no mention of sorcerors in Zeum. Just a mystical sword fighting cult. This kinda wrecks my theory though. So I'm not going to go along with it :( view post

posted 12 Mar 2006, 19:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtToo many coincidences unexplained? by zarathustra, Peralogue

I'm not sure the rule on five degrees of sepeation would apply in the Three Seas. :wink: I think to a certian extent we'relooking at artistic license here. To be fair though Cnauir's tribe would have been the first one Kellhus would have come across. I'm not sure if it was necessary for Thousandfold Thought for Kellhus to have met Cnauir. As for Mekeretrig check out an ealier post I made about him as I don't think he is actually a member of the Consult any more. view post

posted 12 Mar 2006, 19:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by zarathustra, Peralogue

I really don't think Mekeretrig is a member of the Consult anymore. A further point to back this up is the fact that the Old Names (Inchoroi) don't ever mention his fight with Mekeretrig. Surely they would have been briefed by him on his fight with the Consult. Also the fact that he lets Kellhus go rather than killing him with Sorcery would suggest he has his own motives at work. If he was on message with the Consult he would probably have seen him as a threat to their plans. view post

Help finding post on afterlife posted 17 Mar 2006, 09:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtHelp finding post on afterlife by zarathustra, Peralogue

I am trying to find a post where Scott talks about different afterlife beliefs in the Three Seas particularly the Scylvendi. However I am not having much luck finding it. Can anyone help? thanks view post

posted 17 Mar 2006, 09:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes I see him playing a Golum type role in the later books. Neither entirely good or evil but vital to the plot. For some reason I also think he knows the current location of the Heron Spear. But I have no evidence to base this on. view post

posted 17 Mar 2006, 09:03 in Off-Topic DiscussionTop 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan by zarathustra, Peralogue

You decide to war for space on the London Underground. view post

posted 18 Mar 2006, 07:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtHelp finding post on afterlife by zarathustra, Peralogue

Thanks for help finding post and the comments. :P view post

posted 21 Mar 2006, 16:03 in Author Q & AInrau's sorcery by zarathustra, Peralogue

When I first read the passage regarding Inrau's death I understood it that his 'damnation' occurred when he uttered the Cant to kill the skin spy. I saw it as his forsaking of a God that had betrayed him or the absence of God altogether so he didn't need to worry about using Sorcery. Reading through it again its obvious that he possessed knowledge of the Gnosis and his 'damnation' has already occurred but it is indeed something that Achamian doesn't dwell on especially as his position as a Shrial priest is absurd. By the end of TTT though I saw the idea of damnation through Sorcery as untenable due to Kellhus’s explanation that Sorcerers being able to remember God plus hints that the Inchoroi had a hand in writing the Tusk. I therefore await with interest to find out how one goes about becoming damned. Kellhus says that Moenghus is damned but I don’t see his crimes as being any worse than Kellhus’s crimes. view post

posted 23 Mar 2006, 09:03 in Author Q & AFemale Dunyain? by zarathustra, Peralogue

I think Scott has said that female Dunyian characters will come into the story in later books. If you look at Kellhus example of promoting Esmenet to be his spymaster then it shows that for a Dunyian gender differences are largely unimportant. They would see womens position in Three Seas society as a social construct and interfering with the path to wisdom. I would imagine in Ishual women play a full part in apprehending the logos and would be part of their Pragma. I haven't spotted any though in the TTT glossary. view post

posted 23 Mar 2006, 16:03 in Author Q & AFemale Dunyain? by zarathustra, Peralogue

Thinking about this a bit more the Dunyian would be able to shed some light on a debate between evolutionary psychologist and social scientist as to whether gender differences are largely determined by biology or are social constructs. I would imagine that the Dunyian would bring up their children without showing any 'gender bias' . Furthermore I'm not sure the Dunyian would have such a concept as individual identity which would include gender. The only difference for them would be the fulfilling of a reproductive role. The Dunyian for me would try and supress any behaviour that would seem to be either masculine or feminine. view post

posted 24 Mar 2006, 15:03 in Author Q & AFemale Dunyain? by zarathustra, Peralogue

I see Esmenet's elevation to spymaster as being for two reasons firstly she has the ability and therfore is a natural choice. Secondly it allows Kellhus to send out a message to the Holy War that things are going to be done differently from now on. That women even ones with tatooed hands will hold important positions in the society he will be creating. It therefore demonstrates his absolute power to overturn old beliefs and customs. As Achamian says at the start of TTT its year zero now. (Incidently I think Pol Pot used that term to describe the society he was trying to create; an ominous precedent.) view post

posted 02 Apr 2006, 18:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by zarathustra, Peralogue

Good answers from EE there. Here are a few rambling thoughts of my own about the No-God. I do see him as a physical entity when in Earwa this is because other "demons" are harmed by Chorea. Kellhus dreams of him as a half man half beast figure. A description of the No-God by Achamian is that he is less than more than a demon. The No-God is able to make tactical plans (this is shown by deciding to withold sacking of Sarkarpus in order to preserve his sorcerors from the Choric hoard there -info posted by Scott) therefore rather than being a unreasoning force or entity he is capable of consciousness and reasoning. Yet it seems he is unable to comprehend his own identity. I have been rereading TDTCB and in quite an eerie passage Cnauir asks himself twice "What do you see". This led me to see a parallel between the two of them that both are capable of intelligence yet are unable to understand their own being. Though less drastically in Cnauir's case. A couple more thoughts The Skin Spies when talking to Cnauir claim to worship the inverse flame the Nonman name for the No-God means "The Angel of Endless Hunger" so not unlike a flame in that a flame is always hungry and devours. view post

posted 06 Apr 2006, 12:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionPoll: What would you be in prince of nothing? by zarathustra, Peralogue

I would chose to be an Inchoroi as they are dirty old bastards and get to have all the fun. view post

zarathustra posted 10 Apr 2006, 13:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionPoll: What would you be in prince of nothing? by zarathustra, Peralogue

It's a bit of a cop out being a mandate sorceror without the dreams :wink: I agree with you Sokar that the Scylvendi show man in his natural state as it seems most humans spent millenia in the hunter gatherer state before settling down to agriculture from the last 12,000 onwards. Check out books by Jared Diamond and Steven Mithen if you are interested. view post

posted 11 Apr 2006, 08:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionPoll: What would you be in prince of nothing? by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes the name is a bit pretentious ok its very pretentious I should have come up with something a bit more ironic really The two books I've read on the subject are Jared Diamond: Guns Germs and Steel which certianly changed the way I see the world and Steven Mithen After the Ice: A Global Human History, 20,000-5,000 BC I've also read a book by Felipe Fenández-Armesto Civilizations which isn't directly related to the subject but is very interesting. view post

posted 17 Apr 2006, 19:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools by zarathustra, Peralogue

I've got vague memories from the TDTCB that they followed the same Tusk based religion as everyone else up until the Apocalypse. So perhaps Mog made them an offer they couldn't refuse. On the other hand being nomadic pastrolists this would have put them at odds with the established kingdoms at the time making them natural allies (well kind of) of the No-God. view post

posted 25 Apr 2006, 09:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand Fold Though Revisited by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes I'm still confused with it myself. I tend to see the Thousandfold Thought as very similar to Leto Atriedes 'Golden Path' in the dune novels the only coarse of action that will allow the survival of humanity. It's clear from the book though that Kellhus and Moenghus had very different opinions on what the Thousandfold Thought was which kind of makes it hard for us to grasp. Whether it is something more abstract and mystical than a glorified project plan I think will remain to be seen in later books. I certainly thought that was the case after reading the Warrior Prophet where it seemed to come to Kellhus as a revelation (divinly inspired?) rather than something that could be obtained from merely being in the probability trance. So perhaps thats why Kellhus and Moenghus have differing versions of it. view post

Uther Doul v Kellhus posted 26 Apr 2006, 10:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionUther Doul v Kellhus by zarathustra, Peralogue

I have recently been reading China Mieville’s ‘The Scar’ (highly recommended) and my childish mind has set to wondering who would win a fight between Kellhus and Uthor Doul. I wouldn’t want to try to call it if Kellhus wasn’t allowed to use magic and Uthor Doul wasn’t allowed to turn on the possible sword. Both seem to fight in the same way in calculating the probability of outcomes and fighting completely without emotion. Perhaps though Kellhus would be a bit more cunning with Uthor Doul constrained by the style of fighting he has learnt. Undoubtably it would be as Don King would say be the fight of the century. If Kellhus could use magic then Uthor Doul would stand no chance and the same would go for Uthor Doul turning on the possible sword. view post

posted 27 Apr 2006, 09:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionUther Doul v Kellhus by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes I think Kellhus would be able to read his opponent better and confuse him with faints. Also if Kellhus found himself stranded on Armada I'm sure he would within a couple of months have depossed the lovers and have Uther Doul doing his laundrey for him. view post

posted 24 May 2006, 10:05 in The Thousandfold Thoughtnonmen by zarathustra, Peralogue

The thing I don't get is that the Nonmen are descibed as prenaturally beautiful but the same time bald and with fused teeth. Its certainly not a traditional human concept of beauty. view post

posted 25 May 2006, 10:05 in The Thousandfold Thoughtnonmen by zarathustra, Peralogue

I've leant out two of the books to people but if my memory serves me correctly. Mekeritrig is descibed as inhumanly beautiful or something similar when Achamian is being tortured by the Scarlet Spires in WP and he is having nightmares of being on the walls of Dagliash. Mekeritrigs teeth are descibed as fused in the scene at the start of TTT. I think there are a couple of references to Nonmen being baled possibly when Aenglus is captured by the consult. I think the point about the Sranc is that their faces were designed deliberately by the Inchoroi to resemble the Nonmens in order to taunt them. Anor I wouldn't have said the legend of Tithonius is particularly apt as Entropic says they have been preserved by the Tekne. I don't know if that would preserve their hair from falling out though. Perhaps even the Inchoroi haven't invented a cure for that or hangovers yet. If you don't know allready Lord Alfred Tennyson wrote a very good poem on the myth of Tithonius which is worth checkning out. view post

posted 15 Jun 2006, 08:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionThe Hangover Whinge: Why oh Why? + A Misery Poll by zarathustra, Peralogue

I have had my nastiest and longest hangovers from drinking whisky with it having got to a stage where I can hardly stand to drink a sip unless its really good quality (yeah right you pretensious wanker). I'm not really able to keep Tequila down long enough to get a hangover from it. view post

posted 16 Jun 2006, 14:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionThe Hangover Whinge: Why oh Why? + A Misery Poll by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yeah I think thats the problem over here in Blighty (UK) we don't get good quality tequila. It probably doesn't even come from Mexico. As I live in a city of the world; London I should go and find myself a suitable Tequila bar to sample the real stuff rather than from one of our horrible chain pubs. But then again I still want my liver to be working in 20 years time. view post

The Consult's Strategy posted 20 Jun 2006, 08:06 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Consult's Strategy by zarathustra, Peralogue

I have been wondering what the point of the consults strategy has been. Obviously their aim is the reawakening of the No-God but why the creation of the skin spies? For me the skin spies were designed to make the kingdoms of the Three Seas as weak as possible by fighting amongst themselves rather than eradicating the dangerously high numbers of Sranc. I also think that they caused the scholastic wars in the past in order to weaken sorcery and its ties to nations. I think that the Consult have worked on building up the Sranc as Mekeritrig says the Sranc are their children now though he is refering to Nonmen rather than the Consult. It is also mentioned in the glossary that there is now a Sranc king. I would guess that there aren't too many Consult left (nor for that matter Bashrag and Dragons) therefore they are heavily reliant on using Sranc when the apocalypse starts. Possibly they will look to use the Scylvendi as well perhaps that was why one of the skin spies admitted to being a Scylvendi in a previous incarnation. The Consult probably felt they were near completion of their plan given how week and divided men were and for that matter ignorant of the threat possed by the Sranc. Indeed Kellhus talks about whole nations falling to them. Ofcourse the fact that he has come along has thrown their plans up in the air. view post

posted 30 Jun 2006, 11:06 in Author Q & AInchoroi motivations and the quantum mechanics by zarathustra, Peralogue

Massive props to dead shade for giving me a fresh way to look at the books. Its possible to see sorcery then as a way to tap into different quantum realities by calling a (slightly) different world into existence i.e. sorceors are able to "fly" by percieving a world where they are actually on solid ground. Simiarly the teleportation practiced by Kellhus and to a limited extent by others could be seen coherent with quantum principles. As you can see I am very much a lay person to this but have read a few book my favourite has got to be. The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time and the Texture of Reality by Brian Greene. I could just about understand most of it: it contains particulary good explanations on quantum entanglement and teleportation. Not sure if string theory fits into this at all... view post

posted 02 Jul 2006, 09:07 in Author Q & AInchoroi motivations and the quantum mechanics by zarathustra, Peralogue

Deathshade wrote: [quote:qn3psyjc]The quantum object can only be described by its both aspects like sorcery can only be done with 2 strings . Both seem to contradict themselves yet both ARE the object . [/quote:qn3psyjc] Yes thats a great way to see how sorcery works. I am not sure how much Scott Bakker was actually consiously influenced by quantum mechanics I don't think he has any mathematical background to speak of. I prefer to see magic in fantasy as operating within tight physical laws rather than some Nietzchcan(sic?) character imposing their will on the world or being used as a get out of jail plot device. view post

posted 13 Jul 2006, 10:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestion by zarathustra, Peralogue

Hello welcome to the board! This was actually discussed earlier: I don't think anyone really knows... view post

posted 29 Oct 2006, 10:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by zarathustra, Peralogue

[quote="Incu-Pacifico":3pje9bd0] a) He repeats the words of Celmonas in Akka's modified dreams. Of course, we're left wondering if the original dreams were true or if the new dreams are a lie [/quote:3pje9bd0] I am not sure which part of the books you are refering to here. Celmonas only appears in one scene towards the start of Prince of Nothing. But I don't have the book any more. We have indeed spent much time discusses the No-God and how much he is a conscious entity. As Mr Bakker has spoken of the No-God planning various battlefield tactics such as the sparing of the two Northern cities in order to preserve his few sorcerous then I think this shows some form of self awareness. On the other hand a computer can make tactical descions but is not in any way self aware. Speculating further I wonder if the No-God is actually afraid when taking the battlefield. We know that he has avoided this up until the desisive battle. So does the No-God feel emotions if so this would be another key part in understanding the creature. Possible further clues could come from reading Daniel Dennets book Consciosness Explained which I know has influenced the author. But I haven't got round to reading it yet nor am likely to. view post

posted 31 Mar 2007, 11:03 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by zarathustra, Peralogue

As well as being half Dunyain Maithenet was also trained up by Moenghus. I doubt Kellhus would have had time to train up his children over the past twenty years. I really wished the scene where Kellhus and Maithenet met for the first time was written. They would have had quite a bit to discuss; like why Kellhus killed their father perhaps this will be a retrospective scene in the Great Ordeal. My guess would be Maithenet will accompany Kellhus on the "Great Ordeal" as Esmenet has been left in charge of the Three Seas. I would also guess that he has been trained up as a sorceror perhaps the head of a new school that Kellhus has created but who knows. view post

posted 04 Apr 2007, 16:04 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by zarathustra, Peralogue

I'm wondering where Achamians mad quest will take him. At some point Zeum needs to be tied in to the story so perhaps he will end up there. Though I am unclear how that area could have anything to do with origins of the Dunyain. There is the abandned Noman mansion (sorry can't remeber the name) which needs to be tied in as well in some way (Scott says he has something feundish planned for it) so perhaps Achamian will go skulking around there and find something he shouldn't. view post

posted 14 Apr 2007, 19:04 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes I agree with you emmills I think Achamian will survive the books. I think there is a bit of the authors character in him and he is there to bear witness to the events. As a voice of sanity or everyman; there is probably a better term for it but I'm no expert on literary critisism. view post


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