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Atanvarno Peralogue | joined 25 April 2004 | 43 posts


Pronunciation? posted 25 April 2004 in Author Q & APronunciation? by Atanvarno, Peralogue

I first bought The Darkness That Comes Before before it was released from amazon.ca, and had it shipped all the way to England. (If I remember, it was because Mithfânion suggested it on another forum...) Of course, I've pre-ordered The Warrior Prophet from Canada too (my theory is the Canadian first editions might be worth something one day).

This question may seem a bit out of date, but I only bothered to look for a Prince of Nothing forum today, however, when I first read the book, and today when I came to re-read it, I was struck by several things:

It is elegantly written. You can?t idly read it; it needs effort and attention to read and delivers so much on that effort.

I had no idea how to pronounce any of the names. This was annoying. So my question is how should I pronounce all the diacritics? When I first read it I essentially used Tolkien pronunciations, i.e. 'pure' vowels, with "â" representing long vowels and "ä" distinguishing vowels in hiatus. Coming to the second appendix I find this ins?t really ture.

So we come to the proper question: can you post a proper pronunciation guide? While Nay-yur gives the general impression it doesn't quiet serve (with stress rules, specific vowel sounds, and whatnot).

No doubt no one else has this problem. I'm just something of a geeky person and like to know this sort of thing. view post


Stephen Erikson's Books posted 25 April 2004 in Literature DiscussionStephen Erikson's Books by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: "Wil":g8zj3kpw
Yeah, I'm about 300 pages into Memories of Ice. I ripped through GOTM and Deadhouse Gates. So far I love them, their really easy to read but not simple (if that makes ANY sense). I'm loving all the characters![/quote:g8zj3kpw]I am the only person in the world who has difficulties reading Erikson? I've tried to read Gardens of the Moon five times now, each time giving up around two hundred pages in. <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> view post


Stephen Erikson's Books posted 02 May 2004 in Literature DiscussionStephen Erikson's Books by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Sovin Nai&quot;:2jh7d0rv
I think there are spoilers, if nothing else in the relationships between characters that develop in GotM.[/quote:2jh7d0rv]Bugger. I hate spoilers.

Looks like I'll just have to try to get through GotM again. Once my friend who I lent it to gives it back... view post


Moenghus = Mallahet? posted 02 May 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeMoenghus = Mallahet? by Atanvarno, Peralogue

I don't buy it. It's too obvious. I picked up on it the first time through and I'm sure a writer like Bakker wouldn't make a mistake that big... view post


How did you get here? posted 03 May 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get here? by Atanvarno, Peralogue

I did a Google search for '"R Scott Bakker" forum', this came about fifth down the list and had a nice colour scheme. view post


Moenghus = Mallahet? posted 03 May 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeMoenghus = Mallahet? by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Perhaps... and it does have a sense to it. But I just don't like the idea, darn it. view post


How did you get here? posted 04 May 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get here? by Atanvarno, Peralogue

When you say "borrowed" you mean "stole", right? <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> view post


Pronunciation? posted 04 May 2004 in Author Q &amp; APronunciation? by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:20hajya9
I use diacritics to break up some dipthongs and to mark most long u's, but not much otherwise. Hopefully, I'll have the time to go through my notes and outline the phonetics of some of the major language groups. But then I've been saying that for several years now...[/quote:20hajya9]Typical <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

Ah well, thank you. view post


Moenghus = Mallahet? posted 13 May 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeMoenghus = Mallahet? by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Even for a Dûnyain a war holds to many variables. I'm sure there is a passage where Kellhus says as much.

So why create a situation where you use war as a tool. While you can predict the general direction of such things, the details will generally be beyond you, and any of those details might be important.

It all seems to chancey. view post


Moenghus = Mallahet? posted 14 May 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeMoenghus = Mallahet? by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Tattooed Hand&quot;:z6wdtfn4
But as someone pointed out, he can't be one of the Few or Cishaurim because the Chorae that Cnaiur threw him didn't hurt him. Maybe I misread the passage...
[/quote:z6wdtfn4]I thought a chorae only worked on those with the mark of sorcery, i.e. someone who has actually utilised it, rather than the Few in general? view post


More shameless self-promotion... posted 30 May 2004 in Interviews and ReviewsMore shameless self-promotion... by Atanvarno, Peralogue

You mention the Online Writers Workshop, but a google search comes up with a fair few of those. Which one, specifically, are you on about? view post


More shameless self-promotion... posted 31 May 2004 in Interviews and ReviewsMore shameless self-promotion... by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Thank you. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


OS's and Browsers posted 16 June 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionOS's and Browsers by Atanvarno, Peralogue

I use Windows XP, only because I've grown up with Windows and know how to use it... and I don't have the time to setup a linux machine.

As for browser, I use [url=http&#58;//www&#46;opera&#46;com:fqh3jgie]Opera[/url:fqh3jgie], because it has tabs, a good download manager, and is faster the IE. view post


Ayn Rand posted 16 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionAyn Rand by Atanvarno, Peralogue

It's frustrating when you read something like that: it sums up your own opinion of the state of the world in far more succinct and eloquent terms than you could.

I do hope three years at university studying philosophy ("what on earth can you do with a philosophy degree?!") changes me from a person in a crowd shouting "me too!" and being frustrated about it, to one who is able to finally show to world what they're on about...

Anyway, feel free to ignore this post, it's something of an aside. view post


Ayn Rand posted 17 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionAyn Rand by Atanvarno, Peralogue

It's why I tend to be especially wary of any quotes I read these days--no matter how good they first appear--because it is incredibly easy to accept them just on surface impressions.
That leads, of course, to the question of what role do you ascribe to axioms in ethics? Kant had his categorical imperatives, axioms like "do not kill" that he considered to be unrealisable, which he considered to be the basis for all ethics (which for him was centred around duty).

But I think Kant was a contrary git, personally. view post


Babylon 5 posted 17 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

I'm a passionate fan of the show, and of Crusade. As the 66 VHS tapes sitting in my room will testify.

Sadly I haven't been able to pick up any of the books, from what I can gather the Centuari and Technomage (written by Jeanne Cavelos) trilogies are the best. Also I've heard nothing but good things of To Dream in the City of Sorrows ( by Kathryn Drennan - the wife of JMS), about Jeffrey Sinclair's story between the episodes Chrysalis and War Without End, but it also includes Marcus's story and Catherine Sakai's. Shadow Within is also good, so I'm told, as it acts as a prequel to the Technomage trilogy.

There's also a trilogy concerning Bester and the Psi Corps, which is meant to be superb. However, it does avoid telling the story of the Telepath War, because I think JMS wants to tell that on-screen at some point.

To steal a posy off another forum:

The novelizations for ThirdSpace and In the Beginning by Peter David are both really good .... The novelization for A Call to Arms by Robert Sheckley is rather bland. It's not bad, just bland.


All the others are said to be dire, as they were written without input from JMS. view post


Babylon 5 posted 18 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Crusade is dead... it didn't even air before TNT pulled the plug. (See [url=http&#58;//www&#46;isnnews&#46;net/forums/showthread&#46;php?s=&amp;threadid=2244:2lvi7p52]here[/url:2lvi7p52])

The 13 episodes that did get made will be on DVD in a few months.

Replay, the only Star Wars books worth bothering with are those written by Zahn, and they're mediocre at best. view post


Babylon 5 posted 21 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Replay&quot;:2ynv9b1u
drosdelnoch: Crusade was shown here in the UK years ago. Dont worry though because you didn't miss much.[/quote:2ynv9b1u]Didn't miss much? I strongly disagree. Crusade was fantastic (when seen in the correct order, that's more intresting than it sounds), and I really wish it had been finished.

Atanvarno: I've only read Zahn books (well those and I, Jedi) since those were the most recommended. And seeing as though I didnt think much to them, I've very little interest in any of the others.
Aye, I can't find the will to bother with any others, either. view post


Babylon 5 posted 23 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Clarkesworld Books&quot;:sg3nddvy
I have the show's scriptwriters bible around here somewhere.[/quote:sg3nddvy]How much is that worth? Are you willing to sell it? view post


Babylon 5 posted 25 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Mithfânion&quot;:17b0pf10
Would someone be willing to give me a basic outline of what it was the space station was fighting and defensing itself from?

I recall a group of aliens called MInbari with whom they had an allaince after many years of war. Centauri were also allies I believe, the silly-looking aliens.

I recall some eerie telepath, reminded me of the Bene Gesserit, though the character was male.

And there were these big creatures called Vorlons, who seemed to be evil, but I'm not sure if they really were. I think they were somehoow tieds to the Shadows. Any thoughts? What are the Technomages and what can they do? Same question applies to Vorlons and Shadows, what were their abilities?[/quote:17b0pf10]I can answer all your questions, but it'll be a stupidly long post and it'd spoil B5 if you did buy the DVDs and watched all the way through. If you still want the mega-synopsis then PM me. view post


Babylon 5 posted 26 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Replay&quot;:1vfwevhe
Plus apart from a couple, none of the episodes are all that great at the start (though I'm sure some will disagree with that).[/quote:1vfwevhe]I'd strongly disagree with that. The only truely bad episodes from season one are "TKO" and "Infection"... oh, and perhaps "Grail". The other nineteen are good. But episodes like "The Parliament of Dreams", "And The Sky Full Of Stars", "Deathwalker", "Signs and Portents", and "Chrysalis" are superb. view post


I knew our president was dirty!!! posted 29 July 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionI knew our president was dirty!!! by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Absolutley hi-larious. view post


Metaphysics and such posted 07 December 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMetaphysics and such by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Scott, I'm assuming you've got the metaphysics of the various types of sorcery worked out. (The Gnosis seems to be something to do with abstractions, making it more versatile than the other. I'm assuming Anagogic schools dictate a change in the world, and the Psûkhe I'm still puzzling over, perhaps using the word of God as a basis for sorcery?)

However, what about prophecy? Specifically the prophecy of Anasûrimbor Celmomas. Does that have 'sound' metaphysics behind it. I got wondering because the prophecy is such a staple of fantasy I thought it'd either have an explanation or be a diversion... view post


Metaphysics and such posted 07 December 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMetaphysics and such by Atanvarno, Peralogue

That's a good answer. I notice it nicely avoided going near the prophecy question... I'll assume all will be answer in TTT <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

As for the metaphysics stuff, I want as much in the book as you can fit, personally. I'm sure you'll figure out a way to spread it over the book so it doesn't seem like too much. But then I'm a first year philosophy student, so my opinion probably differs from normal people.

Then again you could always leave out some of the metaphysics for the next series... view post


Metaphysics and such posted 08 December 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMetaphysics and such by Atanvarno, Peralogue

How about including a more hardcore explanation of the metaphysics in an appendix? That way you can keep the actual text free of blah-blah-blah bits.

And as a first year philosophy student I resent that comment <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

Seriously, though, an appendix would be the place to put the more inaccessible material, and surely it's far more favourable to have it in print in a book rather than just posted on a website. view post


Metaphysics and such posted 08 December 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMetaphysics and such by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Damn straight it is!

If you use it does that mean I get put in the acknowledgements? Because that'd be awesome. view post


The plate is set... posted 23 December 2004 in Author Q &amp; AThe plate is set... by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Re-reading the two books again, I got struck even more by the depth of the world; the caste system, jnan, and most of all benjuka (now I don't have the books to hand, so I can't guarantee my spelling of that).

Now I was wondering, when you described benjuka, were you just putting down abstract ideas that sound cool, or do you have a vague sketch as to how to play the game, because I'd love to give it a go... view post


The plate is set... posted 24 December 2004 in Author Q &amp; AThe plate is set... by Atanvarno, Peralogue

You know if you were to write some of your ideas down I'd be more than happy to work on them... <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


I think I've bitten off more than I can chew . . . posted 29 December 2004 in Writing TipsI think I've bitten off more than I can chew . . . by Atanvarno, Peralogue

You have to remember while this is indeed Bakker's first set of books, he has been writing for a while (working 15 years on TDTCB). Every single writer I've ever met has told me to start small - short stories and such. Learn the craft of character, plot, and description slowly before rushing into a novel or series.

To quote from George R. R. Martin's FAQ:

Q:I want to be a writer. Can you give me any advice?


A:The most important thing for any aspiring writer, I think, is to read! And not just the sort of thing you're trying to write, be that fantasy, SF, comic books, whatever. You need to read everything. Read fiction, non-fiction, magazines, newspapers. Read history, historical fiction, biography. Read mystery novels, fantasy, SF, horror, mainstream, literary classics, erotica, adventure, satire. Every writer has something to teach you, for good or ill. (And yes, you can learn from bad books as well as good ones -- what not to do)

And write. Write every day, even if it is only a page or two. The more you write, the better you'll get. But don't write in my universe, or Tolkien's, or the Marvel universe, or the Star Trek universe, or any other borrowed background. Every writer needs to learn to create his own characters, worlds, and settings. Using someone else's world is the lazy way out. If you don't exercise those "literary muscles," you'll never develop them.

Given the realities of today's market in science fiction and fantasy, I would also suggest that any aspiring writer begin with short stories. These days, I meet far too many young writers who try to start off with a novel right off, or a trilogy, or even a nine-book series. That's like starting in at rock climbing by tackling Mt. Everest. Short stories help you learn your craft. They are a good place for you to make the mistakes that every beginning writer is going to make. And they are still the best way for a young writer to break in, since the magazines are always hungry for short SF and fantasy stories. Once you've been selling short stories for five years or so, you'll have built up a name for yourself, and editors will start asking you about that first novel.

Whatever you do, though... good luck. You'll need it.

The advice to start off small that everyone gives is given by everyone for a reason. However, that's not to say that starting off small means abandoning or postponing your ambitions: if I were you I'd take each of your characters and write a 2-4,000 word character piece for them, just a short story for each, I think you'll be amazed what you discover about them, and the craft of writing. You've got a good grasp of history, this is also good, write some short stories about some of the more interesting historical events, this will help with plotting and so forth.

While this may seem like a detour, you'll end up with a surprising amount of material for the big work.

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Time for that very annoying question that many of us have posted 25 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; ATime for that very annoying question that many of us have by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:3n4sxzjt
Which is not to say that plenty doesn't happen! It's actually quite analogous to The Return of the King in a sense.[/quote:3n4sxzjt]And it's even got a line of kings returning... after a fashion. A very worrying fashion. <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> view post


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