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Like father like son? posted 19 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Since we don't know the aims of Moenghus, it could be that he anticipated the consult interfering and moved preventatively, before they had the chance to be ready or realize his strength. Or maybe he just doesn't like them, though that doesn't seem very dunyain. I definitely think there are any number of explanations for a possible war between Moenghus and the Consult. view post


Week One Scene posted 19 July 2004 in Member Written WorksWeek One Scene by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

No problem. What do you mean by bump up? view post


Is the idea of a "god" inherent in our minds? posted 19 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionIs the idea of a "god" inherent in our minds? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I know what you are talking about, but to me it doesn't hint at anything greater. It's a statistical marvel. How many beautiful rain showers are there per year? If I see one when I am more statistically likely to not, I consider myself fortunate and revel in its scarcity.

I have a deep belief in statistical spirituality, I gues you would call it. Maybe I should start a thread... view post


The value of a life posted 19 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionThe value of a life by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

The problem with offering freedom for service is that some people are mentally unstable, and they may have issues beyond their control which induce violence. This then makes for a non-viable system. view post


Week One : Drosdelnoch posted 19 July 2004 in Member Written WorksWeek One : Drosdelnoch by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Two general comments:

It was good, contained good imagery, but sometimes the writing style seemed a tad pretentious, which is something I have problems with.

There seemed to be run-on sentences. I would go back through and clean some of them. If you're interested, I'd try editing it.

Liked it on the whole. view post


Week One: Gurgeh posted 19 July 2004 in Member Written WorksWeek One: Gurgeh by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Damn! I wrote a story with the same twist, though not as well. I couldn't post it because of computer problems. That is so bizarre.

I liked it a lot. I had no idea coming to the end that the man was dead, and I think it's better for it. The end acting as a twist is great. Sometimes your writing style seemed a bit overly dramatic.

Thanks so much for being willing to share. view post


Week One: Replay posted 19 July 2004 in Member Written WorksWeek One: Replay by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I liked it, and I wouldn't add any more detail. I think if you did it would sound forced, and I think it is this excess detail which plagues so many beginning authors. After reading it, I had a perfect impression in my mind of the scene. In fact, if anything I would say lose some dramatic descriptions in the first couple paragraphs.

Loved it. view post


Week Three Scene Nominations posted 19 July 2004 in Member Written WorksWeek Three Scene Nominations by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I thought if we started earlier we might get more ideas.

Two charcters (men or women) confront one another over the death of a shared loved one for some reason. view post


Week Two Scene Nominations [CLOSED] posted 19 July 2004 in Member Written WorksWeek Two Scene Nominations [CLOSED] by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Wil, how about putting a time on the poll so we can settle and start writing. view post


6 Month Anniversary posted 19 July 2004 in General Announcements6 Month Anniversary by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

We just had our 6 mo anniversary on July 16 and missed it! Thanks to all of you for making this a great forum, I couldn't be happier (except for finding a few women). view post


dark tower? posted 21 July 2004 in Literature Discussiondark tower? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I read the bit in Legends or Legends II, don't remember which, from the dark tower and really liked it. They're on my list. view post


What is/was/will be your college major? posted 26 July 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat is/was/will be your college major? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

That's cool Orion. I have been a sound tech all through middle and high school, as well as some private paid gigs. It's a sweet job, though not what I'm persuing. view post


First Word that Comes to Mind posted 26 July 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

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First Word that Comes to Mind posted 26 July 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

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The value of a life posted 26 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionThe value of a life by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I wasn't saying that this wouldn't work for everyone. But some people therapy doesn't help, at least not to a release point, and so you couldn't have a blanket policy. In fact, I think a less extreme form would be better for petty crimes. view post


Statistical Sprirtuality posted 26 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionStatistical Sprirtuality by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Ok, a while ago I made the mistake of mentioning a vague collection of ideas I had cobbled together over the last couple months within Scott's proverbial hearing. I called it Statistical Spirituality, and Scott quite rightly demanded some sort of explanation. I spent the intervening time thinking about how to convey these concepts, and here it is, though I make no claim it is necessarily comprehensive or entirely accurate. It is where I currently am in my exploration of the concept.

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Statistical Spirituality
Jack Brown
07.26.04

Statistical Spirituality is the belief that the random twists of the world can be recognized spiritually, particularly as pertaining to beauty and fate. Thus, events such as rainbows, spectacular sunsets, and natural disasters may be explained statistically and scientificaly yet also retain a spiritual nature undiminished by their explanation. Some examples:

A beautiful rainbow directly after a loved one dies. This is not a message or sign from anything, it is the random occurance of a rainbow and simultaneous death of a loved one. A pure statistical chance. However, this does not lessen the awe or wonder one may feel when witnessing such a beautiful sight after a tragedy. After all, what are the chances? We see the juxtaposition of improbable statistical events and the emotion of spirituality. Does this demean the emotion felt? No. Does it demean the surprise of the event? No. This is the first permution of Statistical Spirituality, that of events.

The second permutation is closely related, and is that of fate. Statistical fate is similar but different to traditional fate. Statistical fate holds that you and the world determine your fate through that actions taken by every piece of matter on the planet, but is fundamentally random. I have a true story a friend told me about neighbors who dated in high school, married other people, got divorced, and ran into each other years later and got married. Sounds like fate, but it can be explained by their actions and those of the people around them. They broke up for some reason, say losing touch or percieved incompatibility. They married someone else because they thought they loved them. Theygot divorced because it turns out they didn't. They randomly ran into one another and hit it off, we hear about it and call it traditional fate. But what if they hadn't run into one another? We never would have heard of it. The problem with traditional fate is that we only see the evidence for and never against.

We often say 'What are the chances?,' and here we have hit fate on its proverbial head. 'What are the chances?' Not very good. Not very statistically high. Only when we witness a chance improbability influenced by the compounding of past actions or inactions do we perceive fate. What many fail to comprehend is the significance of this. Far from detracting from fate, these principals serve to illustrate the importance of our daily activities to the future of not only ourselves but of those around us.

These two permutations combined form the frame of statistical sprituality, serving as a model illustrating our world.

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Feel free to comment. view post


World-building posted 26 July 2004 in Writing TipsWorld-building by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

You use flash? That doesn't seem very suited to mapping. view post


First Word that Comes to Mind posted 26 July 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

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When is TDTCB being released in paperback in the US? posted 26 July 2004 in Author Q & AWhen is TDTCB being released in paperback in the US? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

No clue. As far as I know it's not even in the works. view post


Dan Brown posted 26 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionDan Brown by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Yes, but you can't devalue something simply because of excessive value placed on it by others. Take LOTR. With the movies there is now all sorts of hype, but that doesn't demean the original work, merely the people hyping.

I haven't read either, though Wil has been trying... view post


Statistical Sprirtuality posted 26 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionStatistical Sprirtuality by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Actually, that's sort of opposite of my thought, but I don't have time to go into that. view post


Statistical Sprirtuality posted 27 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionStatistical Sprirtuality by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Thank you for the responses, and no one has ripped me apart yet! Wil pointed out to me that the post above really should discuss the influence of the universe on our fate, not just the world. Of course, I think that at some point the changes become so general that they may not have any direct bearing on our futures.

Grantaire (and somewhat Scott): Regarding events, what I meant is not that everything is miraculous, but that we only notice the statistical abnormalities, which we label as miracles, signs, what-have-you. You are right about fate, sorry about that last post Grantaire, I should have explained.

Larry: My point is that there really is no meaning beyond the improbablility of events happening. If a rainbow occurs after the fall of a dictator, it defies the odds of there being a rainbow after a world-witnessed death. Because there is no meaning, everyone may interpret it in their own way. What if the rainbow is the world's way of rejoicing in the death of a tyrant? It doesn't matter, because all it is is rather unlikely for the rainbow to be there.

Scott: I see a couple points of consolation. First, with regard to 'fate,' that you determine your own fate yet have one. I would like to be able to say to my loved one 'we are fated to be together.' But are we? I think yes, but only because of the many small decisions we have made over the course of our lives. People often, when discussing traditional fate, say things like 'could you imagine if I'd just been a minute later' or 'what if I hadn't gone to the party,' but the point is that if they hadn't done whatever that was, they wouldn't even realize that there was anything going on. So the answer to the what-if is this: you wouldn't wonder. However, in all likelyhood they never would have been a minute later or decided not to go, because their prior fate led them to that point in their lives. I like this concept of self driven fate. It gives you a fate to be proud of instead of rail against.

The second point of consolation is the elimination of certainty this brings about. If we acknowledge that events only have the significance we give them, then we no longer have the bolstering of one's own argument by way of events.

Now, interestingly, to my mind this model still leaves room for a deity, simply not one involved in human affairs. More like the guy (or gal) kickstarted the planet and is having a nice long 3D movie. Personally, I don't believe this, but I am not arguing such a lack necessarily with this theory, which is what I wanted to get across.

I believe that the concept of god sprang up through a desire to explain incredible events. Why has god not performed any worldwide miracles lately? Because we now call those hurricanes, tornados, meteors, floods, earthquakes, and forest fires. That is my belief. view post


What is/was/will be your college major? posted 27 July 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat is/was/will be your college major? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Don't know about that. You better sign on with someone big.

What equipment do you prefer? view post


What would you say are the must-reads of literature? posted 27 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionWhat would you say are the must-reads of literature? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Personally, I think it's not so important what you get read so long as you read for life and sample diversity. I figrue that way you're bound to get the important ones. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


Kellhus the God posted 27 July 2004 in The Warrior ProphetKellhus the God by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

THAT made me laugh!!!

You make a good point. I think that the difference is thast kellhus uses people to achieve his goals, but the goal of the consult is to use people. view post


World-building posted 27 July 2004 in Writing TipsWorld-building by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Very gppd point. Interactive maps. I still don't understand how you design them though, because in my experience flash isn't very good with art.

Grantaire, I have that exact problem. I it more enjotable to do the world and plot then write. view post


When is TDTCB being released in paperback in the US? posted 27 July 2004 in Author Q &amp; AWhen is TDTCB being released in paperback in the US? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Moved to Author Q&amp;A. view post


When is TDTCB being released in paperback in the US? posted 27 July 2004 in Author Q &amp; AWhen is TDTCB being released in paperback in the US? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I really feel you must INSIST on original covers. Do you know the huge fan base you could develop simply for keeping those gorgeous canadian ones? People would love to be able to own a trade, hb, and pb all with the same covers, a matched set. view post


Gay marriage: for or against its legalization in the US? posted 27 July 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionGay marriage: for or against its legalization in the US? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Couldn't agree more.

This could turn into a philosophy thread. view post


What is/was/will be your college major? posted 29 July 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat is/was/will be your college major? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Look into Samplitude. I use it for all of my recording. What sort of mixers and mics do you use? view post


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