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SoulKing Commoner | joined 19 July 2005 | 2 posts


Best character posted 20 July 2005 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by SoulKing, Commoner

I have to say Cnaiur is my favorite character. Anyone you has the audacity to stand up to Kellhus and remain un-dominated (or at least appearing to be un-dominated), no matter how it happens, gets my nod for my favorite character.

Not even mentioning that he simply kicks so much ass as well (oh, I guess I just did mention it... <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> ) view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 20 July 2005 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by SoulKing, Commoner

This question of Kellhus being either good or evil becomes more of a philosophical question rather than a physical one.

When we reflect back onto that which we have learned regarding Kellhus, what have we been shown that would solidify our knowledge of Kellhus' motivitions being "good" rather than "evil"? What do we know about him for certain?

We have learned for certain that his main goal is to find the "Absolute" form of Logos - though we don't possess a clear picture of what this means as of yet. We have also learned that Kellhus possesses an intelligence of the human condition unlike anyone - with the exception of his fellow Dunyain - the world has ever seen. We have witnessed Kellhus' ability to recognize the whole spectrum of human emotions and react in kind.

Is it a possibility that we as humans refuse to quantify that someone who possesses so much knowledge and understanding about ourselves and our purely human condition, with all of the ups and downs that make up this condition, from being evil? When we consider his motives, which have not been plainly shown to us, after witnessing is actions, can we truly "know" that his intentions are good rather than evil? Can we base our view solely on the relationship between what it means to be human and Kellhus' keen abilities to influence this condition?

On the other side, we know that Kellhus believes that each soul, each person, has been dominated from birth. Dominated by their family, their principles, their society and their customs. Dominated by their fears and joys. Kellhus sees nothing wrong with dominating these individuals for his own end (which may be a worthy or good end) since they are already dominated. If one is currently a slave does it really matter that they have swapped one owner for another? This seems to be at the heart of Kellhus' reasoning for dominating and conquering those he comes in contact with. So if we analyze these actions can we consider these acts of domination over the already dominated an evil gesture? When we consider what an "evil" act truly is, do we require there to be an intention to commit such an act? Or can we say that if intention to commit evil is not present it cannot be considered evil; such as when we speak of fraud the "intention" to de-fraud is implicit to it even taking place? Does evil follow the same rules surrounding intention that are so prevalent when speaking of fraud?

What if we say - for the sake of argument - that intention is irrelevent and the Kellhus' actions in and of themselves are evil, but his overall objectives remain worthy and good. With this being the prerequisite, are these individual acts of evil overidden and out-weighted by the OVERALL act of good that Kellhus is striving for? Can Kellhus be considered good because his INTENTION is not to commit evil but rather to commit good? Does the old-time addage of the end justifing the means hold up under this scenerio?

There are many questions that arise when we discuss Kellhuss' motives, overall objectives and intentions and whether in the end Kellhus is good or evil. Simply being able to ask these questions and debate the answers on such a philosophical level allows us to see that Kellhus is one of the most interesting and intelligent fictional characters created in the history of literature. view post


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