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wmdragon Commoner | joined 27 March 2007 | 7 posts


Questions that haunt me after just reading TTT. posted 27 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions that haunt me after just reading TTT. by wmdragon, Commoner

I also found the showdown between Cnauir and Moenghus confusing and unsatisfying. why would Moenghus risk getting killed by Cnauir by getting close to him? what did he need from Cnauir? view post


Those flip flopping Nansurs... posted 27 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThose flip flopping Nansurs... by wmdragon, Commoner

I was confused by the Nansur army's turn around as they closed in on Shimeh. they were getting ready to squash the Holy War, many were fanatically loyal to Conphas, and most of them were reinforcements who had not yet falllen under the Warrior-Prophet's spell. but Saubon shows up, waves his banner in their faces, and they just turn their backs on their Emperor? I just didnt get it, I was expecting some follow up explanation about Saubon usurping power or some carefully orchestrated betrayal, but nothing was there. view post


Punishing the Shrial Knights posted 27 March 2007 in The Darkness That Comes BeforePunishing the Shrial Knights by wmdragon, Commoner

why? why did Saubon go along with this? Kellhus' motives were clear, but what kind of justification was given to Saubon? why did he just take a stranger's word on such a premonition, one that asked him to punish the allegedly most pious soldiers and those closest to the Shriah himself? all of Kellhus manipulations of Saubon were based on his reading of him, but the Shrial Knights bit came out of left field. view post


Punishing the Shrial Knights posted 28 March 2007 in The Darkness That Comes BeforePunishing the Shrial Knights by wmdragon, Commoner

yeah, I figured out it was a matter of pure awe - and perhaps some convenience:

Saubon: this guy who may be talking to God is telling me I'm can be grand & heroic, which is what I've always wanted. I'll do whatever he says, even if it doesnt make any sense.

still, it doesnt quite work for me. pretty much every manipulation Kellhus does is based on something real (a prejudice, a desire, a weakness, etc.), so that the person being manipulated sees the justification and value of what Kellhus is asking. that is the power of Kellhus, he nevers asks "do this just because I say so". except in this case, view post


Questions that haunt me after just reading TTT. posted 28 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions that haunt me after just reading TTT. by wmdragon, Commoner

Moenghus, in his death throes, reaches out to Cnaiur, who may possibly have been able to save him, but who also bore Moenghus a long standing grudge. Moenghus may have been able to deal with Cnaiur physically, even in his reduced condition; he ran the risk of mad, bad Cnaiur using the chorae.


hmmm, yeah, I think I can buy that. Cnauir was his only slim chance of getting saved, so seducing him was worth the risk. I guess I got thrown off by Moenghus getting rid of two skin-spies before dealing with Cnauir, the display of such power belied the fact that he was near death. view post


Those flip flopping Nansurs... posted 28 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThose flip flopping Nansurs... by wmdragon, Commoner

Quote: "Jamara":1begxmrq
I think they rode with Saubon for redemption.[/quote:1begxmrq]

yes, agreed. guess I just had trouble with how fast and abruptly it happened, made it a bit unconvincing, but you make very good points. it does seem to reveal a fundamental flaw in the original Ikurei plans to sabotage the Holy War. view post


Punishing the Shrial Knights posted 29 March 2007 in The Darkness That Comes BeforePunishing the Shrial Knights by wmdragon, Commoner

Quote: "Buckethead":1qeaj9d9
that is the power of Kellhus, he nevers asks "do this just because I say so". except in this case,


but he isn't saying this at all.

he is saying "do this because because the god says so" then most importantly, through his facial actions is saying "oh my god, how can this possibly be true?" which quite obviously saubon can relate to.[/quote:1qeaj9d9]

I should have phrased that better: Kellhus nevers asks "do this just because I or God or a holy book says so". he links his manipulations with desires, drives or weaknesses in the target person. I guess I didnt understand that Saubon was so willing to buy the Warrior-Prophet act so early in the story, to the point of going along with something that didnt play on his desires, and in fact was rather appaling, if not sacrilegious.




**** TTT SPOILER *****

interesting, though, that this "request from left field" did allow Saubon to fulfill his desire by giving him victory. Kellhus actually addresses this with Moenghus at the end, but Moenghus dismisses it as a Coincidence, if I recall correctly. could it be that the TTT was already expressing itself thru Kellhus that early? then again, the TTT is problably always manifesting itself in some way... view post


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