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Jamara Auditor | joined 21 March 2007 | 143 posts


Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 30 March 2007 in Author Q & AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by Jamara, Auditor

I'm not sure if we can infer correctly whether he does or doesn't confer with the God, but the No-God has spoken to him (or at least he has seen the same vision/dream as Mandati). That is why I'm not sure whether he is a prophet or not.

If he is, then the haloes can easily be explained as divine. I merely made an argument for why the haloes if is not a prophet. Mass delussionment. view post


Kellhus's State of Mind posted 30 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by Jamara, Auditor

I've pondered whether the Dunyain were created/established by the Consult. I often thought that they might have been a venture to find a way of maintaining power should the Apocalypse succeed and the Outside become closed from the Mundane world. The quest for a self-moving soul. But then if the Consult were the originators of the Dunyain, why do they not know of their existence. Especially since Mekeritig did not know what Kellhus was when they fought in the TDTCB prologue.

I think the Dunyain were just a group of refugee monks of some minor order. And rereading the prologue it is evident that their loss of memory of sorcery was intentional. They burned the Vizier's books and removed all sorceric runes from Ishual.

And I definitely think that the Heron Spear will be recovered, most likely by Achamian. I just think that so much emphasis was placed upon it by Seswatha that Achamian will be forced to find it. view post


Kellhus's State of Mind posted 30 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by Jamara, Auditor

I'm not sure if Akka thinks its destroyed, but it would not be the first time that it was thought destroyed later to resurface. After Eleneot Fields it was thought destroyed only to resurface fourteen years later. The glossary says that it was lost when the Scylvendi sacked Cenei (though it does not say that it was taken by the Scylvendi . . . perhaps ushered away in secrecy) and "that its whereabouts are presently unknown". view post


The Meaning of Life posted 30 March 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Meaning of Life by Jamara, Auditor

Back to humanity destroying the world, nope, not gonna happen. Even humans rendering the planet completely barren and lifeless, nope, not gonna happen. Life will always find a way. If a freakin' comet couldn't do it, we can't. If every nuclear bomb detonated at the same time, and every nuclear power plant had a meltdown at the same time, life would still find a way to survive. If an Ice Age caused by global warming wiped out most of civilization, even humanity would find a way to survive. view post


Evolution vs Creation posted 30 March 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Jamara, Auditor

Quote: "TheDarkness":1uj9ulzf
the religious upbringing some of us have had obviously has influenced the way we think. Its a shame we dont seem to have any Bhuddist or Hindu contributors. [/quote:1uj9ulzf]

I agree it would be nice to have a broader spectrum of religious outlooks. But just as a point of reference, I am a Pagan who was raised Methodist and later married an Irish Catholic. I definitely think that the upbringing has something to do with our outlook, but maybe not in the way that was intended. view post


Kellhus's State of Mind posted 31 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by Jamara, Auditor

Not all the Dunyain, only those who recieved the dreams. Remember, in order to send those messages, Moenghus had to know exactly where those Dunyain slept. So this limits it to only the Dunyain who were full fledged Dunyain thirty years ago while Moenghus was still at Ishual. How many more have been raised to be a full Dunyain in those thirty years? And it was not made clear whether he contacted all the Dunyain from his years there, or just a select few. Probably just the Pragma, or a select few of the Pragma. view post


"Murderous Children" posted 31 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]"Murderous Children" by Jamara, Auditor

I kind of agree that Esmi's child (or children) would be greater then little Moenghus, but I also agree that not by much. If Kellhus is training both equally, I think Moenghus would be a close second. Though I am not sure exactly what the benefits of having Non-Man ancestry are. However, upon reading this thread so far, I can't help but get the feeling that the over-all unspoken opinion is that Esmi's child is male. Now, I am not speaking from a physical prowess or mental prowess here, but how would the political dynamics between the two children work if Esmi's child is a girl?

We all know that Kellhus will probably try to equalize the sexes, but I think that transformation of biases takes a long time, at least a few generations. I mean, they don't even allow their women to read. Look how long it's taken American culture to come as far as it has. And that is only from allowing women to vote. A couple generations at the least. But definitely more than twenty years. Now the Aspect-Emperor may decree equality, so at least the Lords and Kings would have to outwardly respect his word, but that still makes the political ground very much in favor of Moenghus, whom the vast majority believe to be the first-born male heir of Kellhus. view post


The Meaning of Life posted 31 March 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Meaning of Life by Jamara, Auditor

Quote: "DietCoke23":r5b8i75m
The human existance is all in pursuit of one thing, and that thing is to satisfy our egos, to gain a sense of supiriority. We, as a species, surround ourselves with our "civilization". We keep ourselves clean, we participate in "good mannered tasks", we eat with forks and knives and spoons... for what? We do this to seperate ourselves from the animals of which we sprung, to make ourselves better than them, more "sophisticated". If you ask me, its the animals that have become more than us. They don't hide their feelings, they live by their insticts, they live life happy and accepting.
Look at our social lives. Why are we so eager to go out with someone? Being a couple is a way in which we separate ourselves into higher and lower classes. What do you think when you are going out with someone? You think, wow, that person chose me over everyone else. Its the feeling of loyalty, the feeling that a person likes you more than they like somone else. In a way, doesn't that make you feel superior to others?
I want honest answers to this next question. How many of you out there size people up as soon as you see them? Place them on a ladder so to speak? You look and think "I'm smarter than that person, and i mean look at them, how could they ever get a boy/girlfriend?" What do these thoughts bring us? What do we accomplish by thinking them? All we do is put someone down, in order to feel better about ourselves.
I hate to even draw the attention to our school systems. But i mean, the most prime, and real data can be found here. Who are the people we look up to? Its the people with lots of friends and seemingly no worries. Its the confident people. People cling to confidence, because in its presence the ego cannot be more flatered. Even just by being associated with confidence is enough. Look at all of the students who are cocky and funny on the outside. Most are wimpering cowards on the inside, to afraid to expose their feelings to the world. THeir confidence is a shell, and they don't let anyone in to help. Because by asking for help, you submit to a higher power, and who wants to consider themselves a lesser power?
I dont pretend to be above these things. I think these same things all of the time. I guess i was just wondering if anyone else agrees with me that our life is a pathetic and useless race for self-gain.[/quote:r5b8i75m]

Sorry, but I highly disagree with practically everything you said.

First off, the all of humanity is not civilizaiton. You completely disregard aboriginal peoples. Tribes within the south american rainforests, african tribes deep in the congo, nomadic tribes of the sahara, true natives of australia, and hopefully many others which I have never even heard of. Do you not count them as people? Do you look at these humans as something less than humans? It is our civilization, our totalitarian agriculturlist culture which has the superiority complex. It is our culture and not the culture of tribalists which threatens to unbalance the ecosystems around ourselves and rain a nuclear holocaust from the skies. Tribal peoples outside of civilization face absolutely none of the ecosystem imbalances which our culture has.

Secondly, "good mannered tasks" is simply social interaction. All mammals, and all animals higher in order than an amoeba, participate in social interactions. Some much less than others, but even solitary animals have a systematic pattern of interaction when coming across another of its species. And primates are highly social animals. The most basic of these social interactions is procreation.

This leads me to my third point. It is the instinctual response to participating in a successful courtship to feel something in being chosen. But it is not superiority. Only shallow narcissists feel this as a sense of superiority. The instictual feeling is that your genes have been chosen for procreation. In humans, higher emotions and reasoning have complicated the whole process, but if it hadn't how overpopulated do you think the planet would be?

Fourthly, I don't see sizing someone up when you meet them as a bad thing. Passing judgement as soon as you meet them is bad, but not sizing them up. If in my first meeting with someone I say, &quot;this person is male,&quot; is that wrong? Am I sizing him up? Yes. At the most basic level. If I say, &quot;this person is a homosexual male,&quot; is that worse? I don't think so. It only becomes worse when you start placing judgments on those first perceptions. It is perfectly fine for me to size someone up and say that he is a gay male as long as that is not accompanied by negative stereotypes, or just stereotypes in general. (Stereotypes, whether good or bad are wrong, close minded, but they sure can be funny). <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> So yes I size people up upon meeting them. I also size up a room upon entering it. I size up a job upon starting a new one. Sizing up is just getting a broad, general idea of something. And idea which will/should be built upon through further observations.

As for your school reference, all I have to say is that you weren't a geek in High School. And if you were, High School must have really sucked for you. I was 100% geek in high school, as were all my friends, and I have to say we didn't give two shits (sorry moderators) about what others thought of our &quot;click&quot;. We weren't the popular kids and pretty much saw the popular kids as those who could pander to as many other clicks as possible. We did not begrudge them and in fact I had several &quot;popular&quot; friends whom I had just known since we were young children. Also, popular kids also have a tendency towards natural charisma. Just this sense of making you want to like them. Some people just couldn't help it. But pretty much we just ignored social hierarchy and hung with whom we wanted to. Quite frankly, I had no bad experiences of High School. High School is only bad when you let others make it bad for you. When you actually care what they think. That and a poor sense of humor. The ability to laugh at one's self is underrated. view post


Maithanet posted 31 March 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Jamara, Auditor

Any speculations on what Maithanet's overall role will be in Aspect-Emperor? Once it dawned on me that he was Dunyain(though not quite) he became a much more intrigueing character. And now that he and Kellhus are united (and not even as enemies), how important will his role become? I noticed that he wasn't even mentioned in the synopsis, but I think we'll start getting POV from him. view post


Evolution vs Creation posted 31 March 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Jamara, Auditor

Francis S. Collins (The Language of God), is an extremely poignant author/scientist to this thread. He was head of the Human Genome Project for a time and is also a devout Chirstian. His book basically is a commentary on how science and spirituality do not have to be duality. &quot;God is most certainly not challenged by science; He made it all possible.&quot;

My personal beliefs have led me down a path where neither my scientific mind nor my spiritual belief ever contradict each other, and often support. view post


Kellhus's State of Mind posted 31 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by Jamara, Auditor

Actually, in the first couple pages of the DTCB prologue, when the Dunyain first arrive at Ishual, &quot;Peering through dark embrasures, he saw a group of cadaverous men and women - refugees of the Apocalypse. Glimpsing his shadow, they cried out for food, shelter, anything, but the boy was too terrified to reply. Hardship had made them look fearsome - feral, like a wold people.&quot; view post


Kellhus's State of Mind posted 31 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by Jamara, Auditor

I agree. As I was typing up the qoute, it came to me that what is described of the Dunyain is from the young boy's perspective. This is how he sees them. Which is how the Dunyain work. They could have cried out if it were the shortest path, a lie. Because the next sentence after what I quoted speaks of them scaling the walls. So they weren't haggard enough to prevent them from scaling the walls of a fortress. view post


Eragon posted 01 April 2007 in Off-Topic DiscussionEragon by Jamara, Auditor

Goodkind had original ideas? He was just copying Jordan (who copied allot of Herbert). view post


The Aspect-Emperor posted 02 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by Jamara, Auditor

I have often pondered the same thing. I have come to three conclusions. The first is that the Pragma never intend to allow Kellhus to return. He was sent out to assassinate Moenghus because he was affecting their dreams. He was threatening to taint them and destroy their isolation. The purpose of the dreams was that Moenghus wanted his son.

Which brings me to my second point. Moenghus wanted Kellhus. The Pragma must have surmised that Kellhus would eventually become tainted, especially when confronting his father. And I am sure, as a thirty year old Dunyain, Kellhus had a very good idea that he would never return to Ishual.

My third conclusion was that either way, it really doesn't matter anymore. He has no plans to return to Ishual, so what does it matter if he can't. The only reprecussion would be if the Pragma sent an assassin.

However, there is an arguement here that the Pragma at least understand sorcery. Moenghus could only communicate in the dreams of Dunyain whom he knew, and knew where they slept. We know that all of those Dunyain that he contacted committed suicide after Kellhus left. At first I thought it was because they viewed themselves tainted. But now I'm wondering if they didn't kill themselves so that Moenghus could no longer communicate through their dreams. view post


Kellhus's State of Mind posted 02 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by Jamara, Auditor

Perhaps they saw his special-line as a protection against the outside world. Why not put your best out there rather than your least. If anyone can resist the world, it would be your best. view post


Are there female skin spies? posted 02 April 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAre there female skin spies? by Jamara, Auditor

seeing as how the kin spies are new constructs and the non-men (as far as we have seen) have all aligned with the Consult, and only male non-men exist, I don't think they really considered the benefit of female creations, merely those who could mimic females. The natural aggression of males along with a heightened libido driven by violence rather than sexuality, I think, would be ideal. view post


Your favourite character? posted 02 April 2007 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeYour favourite character? by Jamara, Auditor

At first I passed over this question, but then it kind of creeped into my brain. I think the reason that I prefer Martin over Bakker, is that both make their characters fallible and human, broad in their emotions and motives, but Martin's characters just stand out so much as individuals. I love Bakker's characters, but they are all depressing. There really is no fun side to them, no uplifting merits.

Except for Zin prior to the second half of TWP. I would have to say that he was my favorite character. He had depth and yet he still maintained some sense of humor. When men are on the front line of a war, the two things which keep them sane are religion and humor. And practically all of Bakker's characters lack humor.

I love Tyrion (from Martin's ASOIAF) because he can be the butt of all prejudices, thrown onto front lines, immersed in political intrigue, and plotted against from all sides, but he still maintains his smart-ass sense of humor.

By the time we get to TTT, I really don't care about any individual character. I just care about the plot and finding out what the hell the TTT is. Although Maithanet intrigues me and I can't wait to read more about him. view post


The Meaning of Life posted 02 April 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Meaning of Life by Jamara, Auditor

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:9sne9ux6

As you say, but I'm not telling other people how to behave.[/quote:9sne9ux6]

Why not? We're told how to buy, how to use, how to consume, how to waste, how to learn, how to live, how to sustain a self-destructive society. Why not create a new meme. Somebody has to. Start out by teaching and enlightening and hope it prgresses through the next generation.

As far as the question of giving up living beyond 30 or destroying most of the human race, I'd rather have those thiry years.

And aboriginal peoples are as destructive as beavers. They can alter the area around them to great degrees, but if they alter it too much, they die out, i.e. Easter Island. But Civilization does not hold to those laws. If they alter their environment too much, they call FEMA. view post


Your favourite character? posted 02 April 2007 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeYour favourite character? by Jamara, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:1ip2a67l
And practically all of Bakker's characters lack humor.


WHAT!?!?!?!???!

There is so much humor in the books that I cannot even begin to express my shock at your words. Almost all of the characters have some form of humor.[/quote:1ip2a67l]

I acknowledge your challenge. Name three scenes which do not include Zin or pillow talk when Bakker actually injected some good sense of humor. view post


Kellhus's State of Mind posted 02 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by Jamara, Auditor

They still had the baby Kellhus. view post


Your favourite character? posted 02 April 2007 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeYour favourite character? by Jamara, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Buckethead&quot;:1vkygltg
there are at least ten simply between akka and esmenet....[/quote:1vkygltg]

That's just . . . pillow talk, baby <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The Meaning of Life posted 02 April 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Meaning of Life by Jamara, Auditor

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:2e644rvd


And aboriginal peoples are as destructive as beavers. They can alter the area around them to great degrees, but if they alter it too much, they die out, i.e. Easter Island. But Civilization does not hold to those laws. If they alter their environment too much, they call FEMA.

Beavers don't deforest whole continents, which is what one group of aborigines did. And as regards resource consumption, civilization demonstrably does hold to those laws that operated in Easter Island. There will be a correction if consumption is unfettered. If the appetite of the modern industrial complex continues unabated, both you and I will probably see the consequences in the next 30 years. I think the era of peak oil, i.e. when the volume of oil being pumped out of the ground reaches an inevitable limit, is very close.[/quote:2e644rvd]

I agree with you completely. Those aborigines who did not follow the natural laws died out, or abandoned their cultural outlook in favor of one that worked. And if beavers deforested a whole continent, they too would die out. I definitely think that we are close if not already at the point of peak oil, and the reprecussions of that are scary. view post


Your favourite character? posted 04 April 2007 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeYour favourite character? by Jamara, Auditor

And how many of those scenes occurred/were retold around Zin's fire? It's like Bakker attributed good humor to a single character's presence, and that was Zin. Aside from playful pillow talk banter.

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:1ncx62xu
I find Cnauir's POV's to be very funny especially when he is observing the Inrithi. Kellhus told a funny story about two bulls and a herd of cows.[/quote:1ncx62xu]

Really? You thought Cnaiur's POV was funny. I found it usual tasting of prejudice, superiority, shame, hate, and disgust (and never in a funny way). view post


Kellhus's State of Mind posted 05 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by Jamara, Auditor

It's true that the Dunyain seek enlightenment through seclussion, but enlightenment of what? Well, that's an easy answer, a self-moving soul. But to what end? Why do they want to create a self-moving soul? Do they see an ultimate purpose for creating a self-moving soul? view post


Evolution vs Creation posted 08 April 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Jamara, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Sokar&quot;:3cmvae5u
I wonder if you would have said that let's say 500 years ago... Must I remind you of Galileo..?
Let's face it..when religion loses its grip it adapts itself to the new views..that must be the reason for all this plurality within Christianity..never mind other religions...
In any case..religion and science can indeed go together..there are a bunch of Vatican scholars... Yet, I doubt their function is anything else than to keep their power over the masses and in an age where we value 'technological progress', they have no other choice than to find some way for credibility in the public.
I'll give you an example..the Orthodox Greeks were protesting when the barcodes(?) came up on the packages of food and the priests were the reason.. Or the stance of the Catholics towards condoms... Yes they did their own research and found that the AIDS virus can go through the condom..but why preach the use of it being absolutely unnecessary..?

You are right of course..they don't have to be a duality..but they are![/quote:3cmvae5u]

First let me respond to this. I never said religion. I said spirituality. I find it very hard for religions, or at least current religions, to coincide with science or embrace it. That is because religions are based on doctrines, dogma, and set beliefs which can not easily be changed (changing religious beliefs usually require many deaths). Spirituality is much different from religion. There is a classic (and if it isn't it should be) Kevin Smith qoute via Chris Rock, &quot;mankind got it all wrong by taking a good idea and building a belief structure . . . you can change and idea, it's trickier changing a belief. People die for beliefs.&quot; To me, the underlining difference between religion and spirituality is that the first relies on structured beliefs, whereas the other relies on good ideas.

Okay, back to evolution. I was just reading a site which pretty much explained why intelligent people arguing against evolution (or at least evolution as a fact) have a problem understanding just what evolution is. The site gave examples of entries in various dictionaries, including the Oxford Concise Scientific Dictionary, which would be available to the layman or non-biological scientists. The entry in the Oxford dictionary was heinous. But it got me to thinking that if opponents of evolution were using these definitions as their understanding of evolution, then that was why there was so much misunderstanding out there.

It is very hard to concisely define evolution. But here is one of the best definitions; &quot;In fact, evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next.&quot;
- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989 Worth Publishers, p.974

This in essence, though there are some points which can be quibbled over, is what evolution is. It is not the &quot;advancement from lower to greater, lesser to superior&quot;, it is the heritable change in allele (one of two or more alternative forms of a gene occupying the same position on a chromosome) frequencies over several generations.

Non-biblical arguement below:
Homo sapiens were originally black. They evolved in an area of high sunlight frequency. High melatonin levels in the skin granted a natural sun-screen as well as relfected the heat of the sun rather than absorb it. As man spread throughout the world, they entered into regions of differing climates. In the northern areas, now known as Europe, the sun was less predominant. This led to two things, the first being that those individuals who spent less energy on producing melatonin could spend more energy on feeding and procreating. The other factor is that skin produces vitamin D by absorption of sunrays. Now if your skin is high in melatonin, then you are reflecting what little sunrays are reaching you and thus producing less vitamin D. With these two aspects, we see how Homo sapien caucasian evolved in Europe. The lighter skinned offspring weren't wasting energy on producing abundant amounts of melatonin (energy not wasted means less comsumption of energy [less time hunting and eating] and more time for mating; more time for mating means more expression of personal genes within a gene pool. The more offspring produced in g1 means even more secondary-offspring in g2, which means even more tertiary-offspring in g3, etc...). And, those same lighter pigmented Homo sapiens are generating more vitamin D than their darker pigmented kin (vitamin D is important in bone formation and the immunosupression system, among other things).

There existed alleles which allowed for lighter skin pigmentation, but when in african regions, these were recessive and selected against (or if they weren't, then the recessive offspring simply didn't do as well as their darker pigmented kin). But when Homo sapiens spread into less &quot;sunny&quot; regions, these recessive traits actually arose as traits which would be selected for (or at least would allow their possessors to mate with a higher frequency). And that is exactly what evolution is. It is the heritable change in allele frequency within a population over several generations.

Evolution is not becomig something better or more specialized or more advanced, it is simply the heritable change in allele (gene) frequencies within a population. view post


Evolution vs Creation posted 08 April 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Jamara, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Buckethead&quot;:34upw6th
sorry jamara, upon rereading your post i found one very important line...
I find it very hard for religions, or at least current religions, to coincide with science or embrace it.


very hard... not impossible...[/quote:34upw6th]

Did I say impossible? No, and for a reason. Absolutes are so horrid to commit to! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


inrau posted 09 April 2007 in The Darkness That Comes Beforeinrau by Jamara, Auditor

Moenghus was a renegade/exiled Dunyain, but as far as the Cishaurim, he was their head (even if it was only honorary - his wisdom and &quot;faith&quot; far out-stripped his abilities). view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 09 April 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Jamara, Auditor

Kellhus vs. Greatjon Umber (ASOIAF)

Now I know that Greatjon can't do magic, and he isn't this super-freak. But here's how I think the battle would go down. Greatjon raises his huge axe, Kellhus streaks in and easily disembowels him. Greatjon calls him a whore and smashes Kellhus in the head with the axe, drinks a beer, and dies. view post


Who will be President in 2008 posted 09 April 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionWho will be President in 2008 by Jamara, Auditor

I'm not sure, but I am very excited. Al Gore has impressed me very much with his every growing conviction to reduce Global Warming. He was always an environmentalist (the only thing I liked about him) and now he's brought the topic right out into the open. Plus, from the start he always said that invading Iraq was bad and that Bush would be creating even greater threats and chaos than there were at the time (which is true). And he's better than any of the other Dems.

On the other hand, back in 2000, I was completely won over by McCain. His honesty, his character, even his ability to cross the aisle on many many occassions made me a McCain man. But then he lost the primaries because of a remark he said about Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell (one which made me love McCain even more). And ever since then he has been running around kissing as much Republican ass (even Falwell's) as he can get his nose into. So that makes me now question how good a president he'd be.

So basically I now have two candidates; one who has fallen in my estimations of him, and the other who has risen; and now the two are kind of on equal footing. But if McCain can convince Powell to be his running mate, then I'm voting McCain. view post


inrau posted 09 April 2007 in The Darkness That Comes Beforeinrau by Jamara, Auditor

I don't think he ever wanted the Cishaurim destoyed. He had the Cishaurim murder the head of the Scarlet Spires in order to motivate the Spires into joining the Holy War, otherwise the Holy War would never have stood a chance in reaching Shimeh, and he needed it to reach Shimeh so the Kellhus could be reunited with him. Don't forget, the Cishaurim practically destroyed all the Scarlet Spires by the end. view post


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