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Gay marriage: for or against its legalization in the US? posted 08 May 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionGay marriage: for or against its legalization in the US? by sciborg2, Candidate

A post-trans person *should* tell the person they are going out with. Now, if its just casual sex or less, its more grey in my mind. I'd like to know if the person I'm with was born a certain gender or not.

As for gay marriage, I have no problems with it. Now, I don't think anyone should get any marriage benefits for at least five years, unless they have children in that time. But anyone raising a child should get benefits.

What I hate is the idea that marriage is some magical solution to problems that are created through economic decisions. The end truth is that gay marriage is a smoke screen for the abuse of corporate/governmental power by both parties. But people are apparently dumb enough to believe you can feed your starving children homophobia. view post


How does the Consult fit? posted 09 May 2005 in Author Q & AHow does the Consult fit? by sciborg2, Candidate

Well, the Inchoroi and the No-God are somewhat classic villains, but not exactly. For one thing, neither is Evil as a supernatural force, even the No-God seems to be more a creature of hunger than anything. And, ultimately, the Dunyain and Inchoroi, and perhaps all the factions are the same in that they see others have no value beyond their use to one's own goals. The Inchoroi feel this is explained by the fact they are the race of flesh and lovers, others--or at least humans--are canvas. Khellus manipulates Serwe into accepting repeated rape at Cnauir's hands. Is he any different from the Synthese from an objective moral point of view?

We see the goal of the Dunyain as less evil, only because their memes are similar to ones we understand/respect. After all, they want to be dispassionate, they seek the Logos to triumph over deception and "sin". Whereas the genetic manipulation of the Inchoroi is terrifying. But, one may say, the Dunyain aren't trying to destroy the world. Why is that though? Not out of compassion, but simply because the world doesn't interfere with their goal.

In the end, if there is no absolute morality, how do we morally weigh these factions? Look at the Mandate, apparently the most selfless organization. Yet they torture and kidnap those they believe connected to the Consult, they manipulate their spies. Is any betrayal justified when the cause is so great?

Kind of what White Lord said, the Inchoroi are the mirror against which everything else can be held up and judged, as I see them. They are THE evil only in that their goals are most inimical to everyone around them. I agree with the above poster: They are also what allows everything else to be reworked, as unless they are THE evil you don't have an impetus for the other revised archetypes. view post


How does the Consult fit? posted 10 May 2005 in Author Q & AHow does the Consult fit? by sciborg2, Candidate

I see what you're saying about the place of the organization in the plot. We'll have to wait to see, but I do wonder how any inversion would affect our view of the story.

I do think the inversion here may be that we are dealing with an alien culture, rather than one that sees itself as the Sauron to our Gandalf, or Melkor to our Valar. The Inchoroi are, by our measure, as mad as serial killers and child molesters. We believe them to be mentally deficient, but perhaps this is simply who they are as a species. This messes with our moral perceptions, as it means our virtues are in fact hard-wired by the fact that we are herd animals. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 10 May 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by sciborg2, Candidate

okay, I read it, and I have no idea how that has anything to do with that muslim kid. do you mean that if we behave rightly by our conscience we are saved? that at least is less arbitrary than the idea of accepting Jesus into our hearts.

Also, nobody that I know of has said JFK is a god, nor threatened me with hellfire for not accepting that. People wouldn't so much of a problem with Jesus's divinity if it wasn't exclusionary--save or face second death! At least if people were honest and said it wasn't love but soul-economics...

Everything about evangelism and the missionary morality is empy-calorie morals. One feel good because one made the choice to be saved, and now you try to save others in a life that may not exist, and if it does may have different criteria for judgement.

Not to mention its old, its been done before--the Orphics in ancient Greece went door to door praising their god Orpheus, then they got irritated nobody was listening and said unbelievers would be tormented in the "bogs of Hades". So its a crap shoot between Christians and Orphics on who offers real salvation...I always bet on black meself! view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 12 May 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by sciborg2, Candidate

well, believing in a God, or in my case (sometimes) gods, doesn't mean you have to follow any rules. Heck, most people do what they want anyway.

i think that dogma can be dangerous, and that one should seek to combine reason and intuition to determine the right course of action. but following rules can ground a person and provide a foundation for life. for example, despite my cynicism about the gods, i don't drink or smoke at all. its not about sin, its that i am so crazy i need something to ground me. view post


Blood Meridian posted 17 May 2005 in Literature DiscussionBlood Meridian by sciborg2, Candidate

Anyone read this, I just finished and am not sure what to think...curious to see the reactions of others. view post


Some Random Thoughts on TTT posted 17 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSome Random Thoughts on TTT by sciborg2, Candidate

Serwe retreated into childishness to avoid confrontation with the fact that at least two children of hers were murdered immediately upon exiting the womb. Think of the number of times this girl has been raped, the first time was at twelve iirc. And Khellus told her to let Cnauir rape her, though he could have stopped him. The rest of her sexual encounters were all prostitution as a concubine.

I do hate Khellus, but he did give her an illusion that gave her peace. I can recall situations where I could tell someone had created what was to me a fallacy to find peace with the past, and so long as it is past I don't challenge them on it. So do we revile him for using her, or grudgingly respect him for giving her some measure of happiness.

Looking back on it, I pitied Serwe. Did I find her irritating as all hell? Yes. But remember her plea to the two wanderers in the woods--"Don't be mean to me." view post


Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 03 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by sciborg2, Candidate

Nine-tenths of our laws are based on the Ten Commandments.


Qua? I keep hearing this, but have yet to see it justified. If anything, our initial legal principles are based on the works of Athenians such as Solomon the Wise. The ideas against killing and stealing are found in almost every religion, especially in the insular tribal fashion of the Hebrews. (As in "don't kill another Hebrew, but slaughter the Cannites including their children") We have no laws demanding you honor your parents, or against adultery. Though if Christians did attack adultery as a means of protecting marriage, it would be lot less hypocritical to me. But it would also mean a lot of Republicans couldn't lead the movement.

If Christian minister's can't marry homosexuals, can they marry divorcees or those who had sex pre-marriage? Can they eat seafood? Can women wear pants? Can anyone with bad eyesight approach the altar of God? Though no church should be legally obligated to accept homosexuals, us outsiders find it amusing when Christians pick and choose which laws they like and don't like from the Bible. Especially when they focus on the ones that let them judge others. view post


Hinduism and Inrithiism posted 03 June 2005 in Author Q & AHinduism and Inrithiism by sciborg2, Candidate

Well, I'm not Scott though I play one on TV. If he did use any Hindu texts, it'd probably be the Rig-Veda which states that all the gods are one. Though Inrithism is more like Catholicism or even a centralized version of Santeria/Voodoo. After all, INRI is what was carved on Christ's cross iirc. view post


Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 06 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by sciborg2, Candidate

And our legal system was based on christian laws for the simple reason that our country was founded by christian men.


One would then say intercontinental slavery was founded on Christian principles, or even danishes. The commandments are a set of religous laws, but the idea that simple interdictions against stealing or killing are the foundation of the American system to me seems unlikely.

The Athenians developed the notion of citizens, of voting. The works of Plato and Aristotle were perserved by the Islamic kingdoms and later made their way back to the Church, influencing its thought and rhetoric. The Enlightenment was founded on reason, if anything a break from the Church and a return to the ideas of the Greek philosophers.

Now I can't argue faith with you--perhaps this was all God's plan for America. But from a secular, historical perspective, I'd say that the foundation of American government is more a break from Christianity than anything. But this isn't a secure position, one can make the claim that "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's" showed Christ's support of secular authority that allowed for free will to come to know the true Authority. view post


Things I will not accept in an argument posted 06 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionThings I will not accept in an argument by sciborg2, Candidate

Ah, but what does it mean to misunderstand something like the Bible that has multiple interpretations?

As for me, I hate anecdotal evidence that is accepted as fact. I also don't like people attempting to use the material in question to prove that it is true. view post


Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 07 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by sciborg2, Candidate

excellent post tellner. KL's position is a mature, rational one as well given his faith. I'm sure he will give us at least some example on the Christian influence of government---if nothing else, we do have the notion of being created equal. In fact, on reflection, I think this may be the central Christian influence and thus is a pillar of our government.

More research is required. view post


Things I will not accept in an argument posted 07 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionThings I will not accept in an argument by sciborg2, Candidate

whoah, KL said he figured homosexuals had the right to marry, just that Christian ministers couldn't marry them due to what it says in the Bible. Its not the opinion I'd want someone to have, but it is a rather mature one within the context of his beliefs. I know many liberals who wouldn't make such a compromise. view post


Things I will not accept in an argument posted 07 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionThings I will not accept in an argument by sciborg2, Candidate

No prob KL, I guess I find the morality debate will get people nowhere. There are so many competing belief systems, and I find the line drawn between the two sides to leave me in the middle on a lot things. Within the context of a legal argument, there is much more room for agreement and disagreement. The inability of the pro-gay movement to make people understand that gay marriage doesn't mean churches have to marry gays is self-defeating---though people like Sean Hannity enjoy scaring people into thinking Christianity is near dissolving.

But that just goes back to Sci's First Law: Organized groups crave two things--incredible power along with the sense of victimization needed to justify abuse of such power. Whether its the religious right seeing the ACLU as a dangerous menace or NOW expelling prochoice feminists, the political nature in America gives into a sense of dualism that prevents any headway from being made on a wide range of issues. view post


Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 07 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by sciborg2, Candidate

KL, what American morals do you believe were inspired by Christianity? That we are "created" equal? Naturally I ask as one sees the violent encroachment of Native American territory and slavery as acts perpetrated by the "Christian" majority of the time. But of course it would be unfair to say that this was inspired by Chrisitianity, as many Christians opposed these human rights violations. The abolitionist movement in particular was definitely Christian in many of its aspects--a point many of my "fellow" liberals seem to forget now that that same inspiration to protect life turns to abortion.

I suppose my question is what morals do you see being eroded away? Personally, I find morality of both liberals and conservatives as being more of a litmus test on issues rather than any adherence to principles--a situation that seems to be getting worse. Abortion may illustrate this best. If innocent life is sacred, why did we willing go to war with Afghanistan right before a winter season which caused many innocents to starve? On the other hand, if sexual intercourse is a right that is above the rights of a fetus, why can't a corporation act within the context of lax international law to make profits? Why is the pleasure of two individuals accepted as a right, but the utility of the shareholders a wrong?

I'm sure there are flaws in these arguments, but I hope it illustrates the point I am trying to make. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 10 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by sciborg2, Candidate

No, that makes religion more of a meme like a socialism or communism. Gods, I'd think, have some type of power criteria that places them beyond mortals.

It is hard to pin down a definition beyond "supernatural being with powers X, Y, Z" though. view post


Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 14 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by sciborg2, Candidate

Card, near as I can tell, hasn't written jack worth reading in years. That, and a slew of Enders novels loooong after the story should have ended have made me wonder why he thinks anyone should listen to him. During the release of attack of the clones, he babbled about how unrealistic a clone army would be.For someone to complain about a space-fantasy lacking scientific validity, one would hope he would have some kind of evidence in his article beyond moaning about the end of civilization. Ultimately, all the evidence is against him:

1. No study has shown that being raised by homosexual parents makes you a homosexual, that is causes sexual dysfunction, etc.
2. There are gay animals in nature, as well as animals in transgendered roles. There is a lot of evidence for this. So God can't have too much of a problem with it, if such a being exists and is consistent with Christian theology.

One cannot deny rights based on one's desire to protect nebulous concepts like marriage, which the state has no business dealing in. There should be NO marriage benefits for anyone, or at least not until a grace period of five years or so has passed AND the parents take care of children. In fact, marriage is largely useless to the state unless there are children involved. The only thing I can think it does is slow the spread of STDs, and even that claim is laughable.

Ultimately, the problem lies with challenge of Christian living. I try to be a good person, but I can't imagine trying to always love my neighbor, be charitable to everyone, and turn the other cheek. Apparently, neither can most "Christians", which is why they seek out scapegoat sinners. If America really were a Christian nation, we wouldn't have the problems with poverty---1 million homeless children--that we do. view post


Books 1&2 as PDFs posted 28 August 2005 in Author Q & ABooks 1&2 as PDFs by sciborg2, Candidate

Scott,

Did we already talk about this--

Out of curiousity, would you be able to market the first two books as PDFs? I've noticed Mieville and Martin have done so, may pick up some interest. I bought Iron Council as a PDF and it worked great. The reason I ask is that if the PDFs were equivalent to the MMPB it could aid in the dissemination of Duyainism.

Sci view post


Question about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* posted 09 September 2005 in Author Q & AQuestion about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* by sciborg2, Candidate

I agree that Scott left it ambiguous on purpose, as with other mysteries...some are revealed (Esme's child) while others at least to me remain a mystery (Did Cnauir have sex with Moenghus?) view post


"Pragma"-tist? posted 09 September 2005 in Author Q & A"Pragma"-tist? by sciborg2, Candidate

I think it is related to a greek word....but I'm basing that off the Greek faction in Age of Mythology. <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> view post


The Nonmen posted 17 September 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe Nonmen by sciborg2, Candidate

Here's a clue: since the Inchoroi used the Nonmen as the foundation for their creation of the Sranc and Syntheses


Now that's interesting, I though Syntheses==Ichoroi. The Synthese were made before the crash landing I'm assuming? view post


Battle of Titans posted 23 November 2005 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by sciborg2, Candidate

Anyone know if I can buy one on Ebay? j/k But seriously though...some voodoo woman needs to make one for me.


Voodoo has little to do with dolls at all, in fact I am not sure if there is any connection between the bullshit you see on TV and the actual faith. There are animal sacrifices admittedly, and some dark 'sorcery', but the important thing to remember is that Touissant L'Oveture was the leader of the Voodoo rebels that overthrew the Christian slavemasters. Its empowering, Afrocentric theology has been diluted I suspect, but the hope it gave many is evident in Haiti's successful rebellion.

Not that any of this is meant in anger....just tired so apologize if information is presented in abrasive manner. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 12 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by sciborg2, Candidate

Broad black wings outstretched, the Synthese drifted on the early morning wind, just savoring the curious familiarity of it all. The eastern skyline gradually brightened, then suddenly the sun cracked the horizon, lancing between the hills, over the corpse-strewn expanse of the Battleplain, and out into the infinite black, where it would, eventually, trace a thread incomprehensibly long . . .
Perhaps all the way home.
--TWP

Seems to me the Inchoroi want to go home, whereas their pawns the Consult seem to have this trumped up idea of sin and damnation. Honestly, i think the Inchoroi want to crack open the world and leave.

But am I remembering incorrectly or is their something in the books about the Inchoroi making the world into a harem? view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 12 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by sciborg2, Candidate

Yeah I saw Bakker's reply too. Question then -- why isn't Khellus damned? How does anyone even know the morality of these so called gods? Why is Khellus exempt from damnation -- his crimes equal or even surpass that of his father. view post


Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 15 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? by sciborg2, Candidate

*I was his morning* view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 31 October 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by sciborg2, Candidate

why didn't the consult just wait out the death of humanity while the no god ensured all babies were still born? why fight at all? view post


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