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More about Erikson books... posted 04 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Q: "How would you compare your writing style to that of Steve's?"

ICE says "Oh man – this is the big thing I’ve been dreading the most. Firstly, let me say that in my opinion (unbiased as it is) there is no one writing today in fantasy who can be compared to Steve. Period. It was his
undeniable talent that pushed Malaz through all the barriers that stood
in its way and made it real. "

Obviously this guy hasn't read any of Scott's books. While the Malazen books are unquestionably more complex and on a larger scale than PoN, Mr Bakker is still a better writer than Mr. Erikson. Granted I haven't read books 3 and 4 of Erikson's series... but so far Deadhouse Gates is the only one that can compare to TDtCB or WP for style, ability, and pacing. view post

More about Erikson books... posted 07 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Well, I'm not saying that Erikson is a bad writer, nor that his series isn't good. To the contrary, the more I read of Midnight Tides, the more I like it, and I truly can't wait til the other two books arrive in the mail. (Curse the US Mail!!!)

But frankly, I think that, for two authors who started writing in the same melding pot of role-playing, I think that Scott has more successfully drawn away from alot of the habits that role-players get into.

Namely, short choppy sentances without pronouns to begin them. Not that this fully encompasses the way that Erikson writes.. but he seems to use these idioms of role-play alot more than does Mr. Bakker. view post

Things I will not accept in an argument posted 07 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionThings I will not accept in an argument by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

First off, thanks to Sciborg2 for the defense.

As to the statements of Tellner...

I haven't heard of half the sources you've mentioned there. I've been planning to read the "extra" parts of the bible that have been found over the years to decide for my own beliefs whether they will effect me or not. Frankly, though, I don't see how anything can add to what has already been said, besides adding further historical insight. The base laws are already presented.. and the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament finish out what any christian would need to know.

As for homosexuality, as Sciborg2 said, I already said I have no problem with them getting married, as long as it doesn't cross over into the bounderies of christianity which clearly views homosexuality as a sin. Whether it is or not is not something that I'm willing to debate, for the simple reason that it's beyond my depth. I feel that the bible does make it clear, and for that reason alone I refuse to accept it as anything other than an unnatural practice that goes against the laws of nature. Does this mean I hate anyone who is a homosexual? Of course not. That would go against my beliefs in the most basic way, since the core of Jesus's teachings are to love one another.

Not to mention that sin is universal and color-blind. One sin is no more worse than any other, in which case I have no right to judge anyone but myself. Something I try very hard not to do.

But there it is.

Thanks again Sci for having my back. view post

Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 07 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Well, I have to admit that alot of that went over my head. But then, it is very late where I am.

I admit to an ignorance on matters of history. Until recently, I had no idea that many of the founding father's were members of the Free Masons, who are a satanic cult.

Regardless of whether or not the country's laws were founded on philosophy or what have you... my opinion on the matter of marriage still stands. I also agree with your assessment that perhaps marriage should be separated into religious and secular institutions. Something which would, I think, take alot of the wind out of the debate against gay marriage.

Unfortunately, given the particulars of the christian faith, there will always be a very vocal group that will be against gay marriage. I can't say anything for those people, obviously. But the rest of us, hopefully, will be content to turn a blind eye and let people make their own decisions. As I said in my post on the other topic, none of us has any right to judge anyone except ourselves. A lesson that Jesus taught... and a lesson that, admitedly, more than one christian should take to heart.

As to the influence of christianity on the government... If I tried to make any statements here I'd be speaking without knowledge. (Something I'm really trying to cut back on. ) I can only say that this country still has a very strong moral backbone which is based greatly upon christian ideals. Whether the liberal's like to admit it or not, it's still true. Granted, that backbone is getting smaller by the year... but it still exists.

Now... if we could only get people to understand that having moral's and being narrow-minded aren't the same thing..... view post

Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 08 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Your statements just go to show how hypocritical the United States is. I've heard it said before that our country can easily be related to the Roman Empire. A fact which frightens me. The Roman Empire was probably one of the most corrupt nations of its size and influence. I have little doubt that the decay of its moral fabric eventually led to its downfall.

As to specific morals within our country that I see as reflecting christian roots... The biggest one is, like you said, that all men are created equal. An ideal that was not fully realized until well into the latter half of the 20th century when african americans were given equal rights.

Beyond that... I'd have to bone up on my history and knowledge of the law to give a better answer. And I'm sure people like Tellner would argue that any law I might give as an example was equally influenced by philosophy. Which may well be true. Moral's, after all, are universal. Inherant in human's for a number of different reasons. We human's are born with the ability to tell right from wrong, whether or not we admit it or recognize it. Thus, we have laws against stealing, taking another life, there are statutes within marriage laws about cheating... and so on.

I do still stand by my reasoning that the laws of the 10 comandments predate the philosophy of ancient greece. Not that it really matters. No matter which human's said them first.. the laws are still part of our moral backbone. Something which we get from our creator, whoever you might hold that to be. view post

Bakker Biography Material Unearthed! posted 12 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionBakker Biography Material Unearthed! by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor


Had to give you that one. I swear I bust a gut reading that. If you haven't already, be sure to give Scott a head's up about it on the Q&A board. I'm sure he'd giggle at the very least...

Does Scott giggle?


Be sure to find out for us, Quin! Start perfecting your tickle-methods... view post

Top 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan posted 14 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionTop 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

That's too funny...

Okay, how about this?

You started throwing rocks at a girl because she had a tattoo on her hand..

You wonder if being an evil face spy would be an even trade-off for unbelievable abilities with women.. view post

Orson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage posted 14 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionOrson Scott Card and Homosexual Marriage by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Ah, but dear Sciborg...You're forgetting the fact that we're imperfect. And any christian who uses sinners as a scapegoat has seriously deluded themselves if they think they're a real christian. After all, even christian's are sinners.

I'm curious about your statement having to do with gay animals. The transgender one about animal's is valid because there are species that can switch their genders... (frogs, I think..).. but saying that gay animal's exhist in the wild is... a stretch. For one thing, instinct is a powerful thing in the animal kingdom. And for another thing... ( and I'm sure this will have people wanting to lynch me )... I think there is a neccessary level of intelligence needed for such a thing. Animal's are just animal's. They only know instinct and their instincts wouldn't tell them to try breeding with another creature of the same gender.

Of course, if you have scientific evidence of homosexual animals in the wild... I'll be happy to refute my claim. view post

Memories of Ice - Steven Erikson posted 19 June 2005 in ReviewsMemories of Ice - Steven Erikson by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor


Between this book and Deadhouse Gates... if any book could make me cry it would be one of these two. Erikson just manages to attach so much tragic emotion to these stories. All centered around the Malazen soldiers. The Bridgeburners and the Chain of Dogs both are just... He spends the whole story making you love these characters. In the case of the Bridgeburners.. two stories. And then he starts to tear into them and writes it so beautifully that you just want to weep.

I swear I could feel my heart breaking right along with Dujek and Duiker for their fallen friends. And at the end of Memories of Ice.. the last words by Duiker just... sent chills up my spine knowing the story he would have to tell. I swear that's one of the most awesome endings for a book that I've read in a while. Right up there with Mr. Bakker's ending for the W-P.

Erikson has a supreme talent for weaving stories. Taking so many random events and points and then pulling them all back together at the end to form a tapestry of a story.

It was just... wow. view post

WoT posted 21 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoT by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I went with "Attend a 'get rich quick' seminar." Who knows... at least I'd get a nap in. view post

Prince of Nothing Film posted 24 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionPrince of Nothing Film by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'd vote for either Mel Gibson (gotta love Braveheart) or M. Night Shaymalan. view post

The Devil is in the Details posted 08 July 2005 in Writing TipsThe Devil is in the Details by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'm flowing smoothly with my world-creation, but the further I get and the more details I create (especially where the metaphysics are concerned), the more I'm starting to worry about one thing.

How do I explain the complex metaphysics to the reader?

I'd really rather not have to go with the cliche of creating a character who knows nothing of said metaphysics... I'd really like to write a story that doesn't have to hold the readers hand. But then, I run up against the problem of... if I don't use the old method... What method do I use?

So far, my only ideas have been to 1) Put most of the information in the prologue somehow, 2) write some sort of essay on the metaphysics and have that be the forward (an idea I really don't like, although I am good at writing essays)... or 3) just letting the reader fend for themselves and trying to explain as I go along as several other authors have done.

The problem with the third method is that the metaphysics of my world are drastically different from the norm. The only series I've read so far that seems similar is the Roger Zelazny books... ( And he used the cliche method)...

My world (or rather, my universe) is your basic multi-world theory... but with alot more random tiny details than Zelazny put into his books. A different mythology... different rules... There are really only a couple of ways that my idea is similar to his, now that I think of it.. but that's neither here nor there.

Anyway, back to my problem. How do I get the reader to understand what the hell I'm talking about without diverting from the flow of the story with lengthy explainations, and without using the Jordan method?

Any helpful suggestions would be very welcome. If anyone would like more details about my metaphysics, just say the word and I'll throw something up here. I'm still working out the rules and the randoms.

Thanks in advance! view post

Starring "Insert Actor Here" as Kelhuss! posted 07 August 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionStarring "Insert Actor Here" as Kelhuss! by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

As far as Kellhus is concerned... I really think they could pull of the naration. First thing that comes to mind is the naration style used in the original Dune. view post

Narative Styles posted 22 August 2005 in Writing TipsNarative Styles by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor


More problems from me. ( Since my first post on this forum, I have switched book ideas three times, and finally settled on one that I think I'll actually stick to.)

So! My latest area of need..

Points of view.

I've discovered through writing that I'm not very good at writing a decent pov for a character. I'm fairly good at describing their surroundings and the characters around them, but I fall short in that, I usually forget to write the character's thoughts and emotions. And even when I do, it doesn't turn out quite right.

It's not that I don't know what the character is thinking or feeling. On the contrary, I know all of my characters, (even the minor ones), inside and out. Where I run into a snag is when I try to write that character's thoughts and emotions from their pov. I find when writing that usually tend to write autonomously (sp?). I describe the action, the dialogue, even characters emotions and expressions... but I write it as if I'm an outside observer who isn't particularly attached to any one character. ( As opposed to focusing on one character pov. )

Does this work as a writing method? Or will people not feel as connected to my characters if I don't ever "get inside the characters head"? view post

Question! re: Advance Reader Copy posted 09 November 2005 in Author Q & AQuestion! re: Advance Reader Copy by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

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Just wondering if this is a legit copy. If it's going to be (roughly) the same material as the actual book being published. If it's going to be terribly different, then I won't bother getting it.

Jut curious if anyone knows. Thanks! view post

Question! re: Advance Reader Copy posted 11 November 2005 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion! re: Advance Reader Copy by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Hey thanks!
I'll say it's a bargain. And a good way to get the rest of the story almost 3 months early.

I purchased another ARC for a different book and it seemed the same, except there were alot of spelling and grammatical errors.

Well, I'll go ahead and buy the cheap one, and buy the one that comes out in Jan. too! After all, I'm sure the other one is much prettier.

And yea.. aren't there rules against selling out ARC for a profit? If there aren't, there should be. view post

Battle of Titans posted 11 December 2005 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Having read the book, I think most of the problem people might have with it is that Feast and the next book, Dance with Dragons, are set in the same space of time, each taking place in different locations. Like it says on his website.

The downside being, of course, that most of the best characters are hardly mentioned at all. Jon is only in one scene that isn't even his POV, Arya appears in a few chapters that are really interesting but the last one ends in a pretty large cliff hanger (of course), and there is no mention of Dany and her dragons whatsoever except for what people have been hearing in rumors.

But as for the story, I thought he pulled it off very well for only using some lesser known characters. Cersei finally screws herself and gets some of what's coming to her, Brienne gains alot more depth, although her fate is in question by the end of the book, and of course Samwell Tarly gets some spotlight time as well.

The most amazing part, IMHO (To steal a phrase from Entropic_Existence), is the way he can turn my opinion around about characters just by writing their POV. The most dramatic case being, of course, Jaime the Kingslayer. By the end of the fourth book I really am rooting for the guy.

Anyway... I don't know if this helps anyones opinion out at all. This thread is a few days old and many of you have probably read AFFC already... but there it is. view post

About TTT - Where can I get one? posted 31 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAbout TTT - Where can I get one? by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'm one of the poor schmucks who still hasn't gotten the book. Anyone know where I can get a hard-back? I know has paperbacks, but I really don't want to buy a paper back and then have to spring for a Hardback... and I need the Hardback to complete my set!

Any help will be greatly appreciated. view post

A Question about the Glossary (Spoiler Warning) posted 03 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AA Question about the Glossary (Spoiler Warning) by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Or more accurately, a question about a particular entry. Under the entry "The Cuno-Inchoroi War" you repeatedly mention the Inchoroi having "weapons of Light"... Seeing as how they descended in a space-faring vessel from the stars... is it safe to assume that these weapons.. and by extension the Heron Spear... are energy weapons on par with lasers? view post

future of PON posted 11 February 2006 in The Thousandfold Thoughtfuture of PON by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Scott has said before that there will be further books. I think there's going to be another trilogy... I know the next book and/or series will be called the Aspect-Emperor.. and will take place some years after PON.

That's the sum total of my knowledge on the subject. heh. view post

Spoilerful question about the trilogy's end posted 24 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; ASpoilerful question about the trilogy's end by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Now, granted, I don't have even half the literary or philisophical background of most people on this forum, but here are my two cents anyway.

I saw a few people mention how disheartened they were by the dark quality of the PON series. Personally, I love the fact that there are no happy endings. When alot of other writer's in this genre flirt with the faery-tale formula of "love, and happy endings", it's great to see a few author's who are willing to break away from that flow and risk alienating their readers. When I say a few, the three I have in mind are Martin , Bakker, and Erikson. There may or may not be other's. If there are, I haven't read them yet. And of the ones I have read, these three are the best.

I can't speak for everyone else to reads these stories, so I will briefly outline why I enjoy these three authors so much.

Tragedy just seems to resonate so much more powerfully than a happy ending. Even with Tolkien, I found myself enjoying the Silmarillion with its tragically heroic figures and its tales of falling iconic cities, more so than I enjoyed the Lord of the Rings trilogy itself. It was that sense of pain and loss that really drove the story for me, and helped me to identify with the characters that were swept up in it.

I feel this way about the PON series. For me, all the other characters don't matter. I didn't connect in a meaningful way with anyone except for Achamian. And even though he didn't "get the girl", I still love the end of the book. For me, it opens up a whole horizen of possibilities for the future.

So, even though the story didn't have a happy ending, I don't think it really matters. Frankly, if you were hoping for even the smallest bit of sunshine, you're in the wrong genre.

And as for the world seeming so harsh and cruel, it seems to me that the question of whether the Inchoroi SHOULD be allowed to destroy most of humanity, just might be what Scott is shooting for at some point. Who knows.

Alright, I've babbled enough on an old thread. view post

Needing some good suggestions. posted 02 March 2006 in Literature DiscussionNeeding some good suggestions. by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

You may have already read some of these, because they're the obvious choices. (In my mind anyway.)

George RR Martin's series - A Song of Ice and Fire
Stephen Erikson's - The Malazan Book of the Fallen
The Dune series is also very good, even though it's SciFi and not Fantasy.
Dan Simmons Hyperion series is pretty good as well. Also SciFi.

The series A Crown of Stars by Kate Elliot is decent, but I'd recomend borrowing those books from a library, not buying them. They aren't worth the money.

Those are my favorites anyway. Hope they help. view post

Quotes posted 05 March 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionQuotes by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

"Religion is the bane of human progress. Through religion we are force fed the outdated delusions of our forefathers, and made to toil beneath the belief structure of a long-dead society. Relgion makes us slaves, and forges our chains from the emotions that drive us. Belief in any higher power must transcend religion. Belief must be an open-ended progression toward enlightenment. No man or woman must be given the power to say 'I speak with the voice of God'. No soul can be trusted with the authority to condemn a fellow soul to damnation. For these reasons above all others, religion must be stamped out wherever found, and replaced by the clean reasoning of Belief."

"Truth is many things. A whore on the lips of a liar. A knife to the weak minded. A weapon to a cunning noble. But no incarnation of Truth bears as much power as that which takes shape on the tongue of a prophet. It becomes a fire, which soon sets a thousand hearts ablaze."


The last one goes hand in hand with PON. view post

Top 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan posted 15 March 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionTop 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

- You tried to comprehend the Thousand-fold thought, and they had you commited.

- You were going to give yourself a swazond, but chickened out at the last minute. ( or alternately, you actually went through with it and now you have to meet with a therapist.)

- You purchased &quot;Whelming For Dummies&quot; and ended up with 3rd degree burns.


Heh. That's it for my creativity. Maybe I'll think of more later. view post

Mindless Amusement: Type your Username with your elbows posted 15 March 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionMindless Amusement: Type your Username with your elbows by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

kidfrjuhhikl, lancerf

Hmm... Well the word is there, buried under all that gobbledeegook. view post

Anasurimbor Maithanet? posted 15 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnasurimbor Maithanet? by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

So far as Kellhus and Esmenet's child is concerned, Kellhus could probably care less whether or not the child is a &quot;bastard&quot;. All he cares about is mixing his bloodline with someone strong. If he does decide to marry Esmenet and make the child &quot;legitimate&quot;, his only motivation will be to further manipulate public opinion. view post

you have to hear this! posted 16 March 2006 in Off-Topic Discussionyou have to hear this! by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

That is probably the funniest thing I've heard all week. Seriously. view post

AM I ALONE? posted 16 March 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionAM I ALONE? by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

You're not alone in one aspect. I'm a christian too! Who also doesn't have any problems with the series... or Harry Potter for that matter... although the books don't appeal to me on a literary level. And yes, The Da Vinci Code was a good book. The only annoying thing is all those people who freak out about what it implies... How many times does the author have to say &quot;This is just a book!&quot; &quot;I made most of this up!&quot;? view post

Kellhus: dog or cat person? posted 16 March 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionKellhus: dog or cat person? by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'm the only person to vote dog? Sheesh. Well here are my reasons. Honestly I think Kellhus would care more about loyalty and usefullness rather than how smart his pet is. Dogs are far more useful than cats... unless of course you have a Lion or a Tiger... view post

Top 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan posted 16 March 2006 in Off-Topic DiscussionTop 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

- You bought a scottish kilt and started sewing fake shrunken heads onto the bottom of it. ( If you have REAL shrunken heads, then you've got problems. ) view post


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