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Magical strength - variable? posted 21 July 2009 in General DiscusssionMagical strength - variable? by Jerako, Candidate

I think that there can be a definate power difference between them. I think it works in different ways for the three different methods of casting in this world.

The Sukhe is linked totally to passion. It seems as adepts become more able to control/harness their passions, they gain more 'power'.

The Gnosis seems to be quite the opposite. It appears to be an entirely cognitive (? can't think of the right word here) sorcery. As in, the power comes from being able to think and process information faster. In the same way that one can be better/faster at mathematics or other pursuits, they can become faster, and better at sorcery. Imo, a more powerful gnostic sorcerer is one who can think faster, and better simultaneously. For example, suppose that in a five second period of time, one sorcerer is able to create one ward and one cant. Another sorcerer, who is able to 'think' faster, can create two wards and one cant in the same time. The latter would be more 'powerful' and most likely win the contest between them.

Anagogic Sorcery seems to be a cross between the two - or so I presume from Iyokus' "passion becomes semantics, and semantics become real" idea. So 'power' would be similar here as to Gnostic sorcery, except that it involves "thinking passionately", for lack of a better term.

I think this is why Gnostic sorcery so easily defeats the Anagog and Psukhe. "No passion is more true than another," but knowledge evidently CAN be more 'true' than passion. Thus, the Gnosis is 'more true' than either the Anagog or Psukhe, and thus more powerful, since sorcery seems to derive its power from 'meaning' or 'truth.' view post


Recognition Metaphor posted 21 July 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtRecognition Metaphor by Jerako, Candidate

I can't remember exactly where in the trilogy this metaphor occurs, but I think it was actually a couple of places, and I don't have access to my books... so I'll post this here.

There was one metaphor in the story that confused me more than any other part. When Achamian is recalling the sacrifice in the thousand temples, and a lamb is produced to witness the sacrifice of the bull, to somehow make it more potent.

A mention is made of "one lamb for ten bulls. As if she had the calculus to measure such things."

I have no idea what this means. Anyone have any insights? view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 21 July 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Jerako, Candidate

I am very convinced that Kellhus has something to do with sending Akka to Ishual, per events that led to Kellhus being sent from there in the first place.

1. A band of Sranc discovers Ishual. Moenghus is sent to investigate the extent of the exposure. Upon his return, he is exiled.

2. Moenghus, after some time in the world, discovers a threat he is unable to confront alone. He sends for his son, Kellhus, to aid him.

3. Kellhus has encountered events which may be overwhelming him. With the lack of a Kellhus POV, it's hard to say how much he knows about this White-Luck business. If he does, which is likely, he might want help from another Dunyain. In all likelihood I think any Dunyain who knew Kellhus are dead, since Moenghus 'contaminated' them with all the Dunyain he knew, the Dunyain may have foreseen that Kellhus in the future might do the same, and killed any who knew HIM before he has a chance to do so. Thus, another way, proven to succeed, to get another Dunyain out of Ishual is to 'expose' them.

In my opinion, this is Kellhus' immediate goal from the Dunyain. Akka would be the best candidate for discovering Ishual, barring another 'accidental' exposure by the Sranc. view post


Where is this book? posted 21 July 2009 in NeuropathWhere is this book? by Jerako, Candidate

Every time I ask my local Barnes & Noble about finding this book, which I can't wait to read, they give me a later and later date. Currently, they're saying this book won't be released until October, but with this pattern it may end up being later than that.

Now, from browsing this forum, some of you have obviously read this book. Possibly as much as a year ago. Where did you find it? view post


Complaint to author posted 21 July 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Jerako, Candidate

Oh it worked for me too! I had to make a few substitutions though. Chiefly with the bowl of whatever Kellhus had to drink beforehand (obviously some form of narcotic). That's the part you forgot! Kellhus was tripping the whole time he tried this.
I used about 4 hits of Acid instead. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

After repeating the mantra for a while I understood the entire universe! I just can't quite remember what it was I understood, since I came down. view post


Why is everbody insane now? posted 21 July 2009 in The Judging EyeWhy is everbody insane now? by Jerako, Candidate

Is it just me, or has the entire world gone mad? Or at least it seems that way. Akka is described as mad, so is Mimara. Cleric is quite insane, but he's a nonman, so that's ok. Moenghus II is mad, but imo so is Kellhus' entire family. I feel like I'm forgetting somebody, but I felt like every few pages Scott declared someone else 'mad.'

What happened? It was cool in PoN, with Cnaiur being obviously insane, but we also saw exactly why it happened. It was also cool wondering whether or not Kellhus was, in fact, broken by the wilderness. But, at least as far as I recall, that was it. Everyone else in PoN was &quot;normal&quot; (whatever that means).

But I feel like all this insanity has gone quite out of control in TJE. Anyone else notice this? view post


Nothing against female Fantasy authors but... posted 21 July 2009 in Literature DiscussionNothing against female Fantasy authors but... by Jerako, Candidate

I thought there's an interesting phenomenon that wasn't mentioned in this thread.

The idea mentioned of having preconceptions about female authors, before actually reading their books, that affect a negative opinion of their story, has a great deal of merit.

I think, really, just by reading a book you couldn't tell whether the author was male or female anyway.

However, imho, PAIRS of authors, male and female, tend to have fabulous results. Off the top of my head, I think of Weis and Hickman, whose Dragonlance and Death Gate Cycle novels got me interested in fantasy in the first place. I know I've read a few more male/female co-authors, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. I just recall almost always being pleased with the result.

Anyone else feel this way? view post


Is God Flawed??? posted 21 July 2009 in Philosophy DiscussionIs God Flawed??? by Jerako, Candidate

I rather like the ancient Gnostic Christian viewpoint on this issue, although they seemed to have been an odd bunch. As I understand it (and my understanding might not be perfect, so bear with me, they're rather difficult texts), there's some sort of supergod entity, that exists similar to how I understand Jung's &quot;collective unconscious&quot; idea to work. It created pieces of itself (Aeons, in the texts), that existed within it, but weren't aware of each other, nor of the God. It allowed them to grow a bit before it revealed their true collective nature to them. Some of them developed some personality quirks along the way, and one of those with quirks created more things within it(her?)self, our world being one of them. Because this Aeon was flawed, everything it created, the world including, was flawed. This entity, unaware of its greater Self (the real God), and believed itself to be God. The Gnostics seemed to believe this entity was the God of the Old Testament, and quite despised it. They believed that the Christ came with knowledge of this collective entity/god (Which was the very &quot;secret knowledge&quot; or &quot;Gnosis&quot; from which they derive their name).

In simpler terms, the idea I like in all this is that yes, the world is flawed, and individual sections of &quot;God&quot; may in fact be flawed, but as a collective whole, and thus from a perspective we couldn't possibly understand, is quite perfect.

Existence/God is greater than the sum of its parts, may be another way to say this, I think.


They also have another idea which I like: at one point, the disciples asked the Teacher (Christ) whether we are governed by some form of Destiny/Fate/Whatever you want to call it, or, if we all had free will and everything just sort of happened as a result of our choices.

The Teacher responded, &quot;Neither, for both of these ideas are inherently flawed, being the products of Man's limited mind.&quot;
- This I believe, is the problem with all of our speculation. Logic, although providing extremely seductive answers, is a product of our minds. We cannot understand everything perfectly, nor should we. In the end, the only &quot;flaw&quot; in existence may be in us. view post


Why is everbody insane now? posted 23 July 2009 in The Judging EyeWhy is everbody insane now? by Jerako, Candidate

In some, perhaps. But to be manifest in so many of the very figures that are central to that society? That's precisely my point. What if it speaks of the nature of Kellhus' &quot;modernization,&quot; if it has psychologically broken those who first experience him? If what comes before determines what comes after, what does that speak for the future of his new society?

Although now that I've thought more on the subject, I recall reading the Metaphysics of Earwa thread, and I'm quite convinced that it hit the nail, particularly the idea of a &quot;superconscious&quot; created by mass belief. And I recall Akka mentioning something about madness to Cnaiur, where madness &quot;breaks the bubble,&quot; and the Outside leaks into the world. It seems that if enough people go &quot;mad,&quot; then that creates a door(?) of sorts for Yatwer (and I presume others, if not now then soon) to manifest in reality. view post


Does Khellus dream as the mandate dream? posted 23 July 2009 in The Judging EyeDoes Khellus dream as the mandate dream? by Jerako, Candidate

No, from the Glossary at the end of the Thousandfold Thought, we learned that a Mandate Ritual involving physically touching the mummified heart of Seswatha, as Achamian did and Kellhus did not. That ritual is the reason for the Dreams, not their possession of the Gnosis itself. view post


Recognition Metaphor posted 23 July 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtRecognition Metaphor by Jerako, Candidate

That kind of makes sense. So the quote would mean one sacrifice with one lamb witnessing it is equivalent to sacrificing 10 bulls, unwitnessed? Something like that, anyway? view post


About the Dunyain... posted 23 July 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAbout the Dunyain... by Jerako, Candidate

You know that's a very interesting thought. I think it's certainly feasible. It seems, from that Prologue POV with Kellhus I think, that he knew the Dunyain insisted it didn't work. Why would a society that thinks of &quot;history&quot; as anathema, continue to indoctrinate something they don't believe? I mean, if the early Dunyain did, that makes sense, but after a few generations none of the Dunyain would believe it to exist. So why continue to enforce the fact that it does not, in a society that already does not believe it exists? It's kind of illogical, I think, and the Dunyain are nothing if not illogical.

I remember entertaining the idea that the quality the Dunyain are breeding for is being one of the few. What if the Defectives are merely those who can't work Sorcery, because the same thing that makes one sensitive to sorcery is the same that allows them to handle the training. We know that it has at least something to do with family traits, and the Dunyain have been interbreeding for thousands of years. view post


A P&amp;P RPG for PoN...how would you do it? posted 23 July 2009 in General DiscusssionA P&amp;P RPG for PoN...how would you do it? by Jerako, Candidate

That is fantastic! I think I'm going to borrow that for a couple of test sessions at least. You have obviously thought that out, and all of that makes perfect sense, and shouldn't be hard to use at all. Thank you!

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I just thought of one more thing though - Conjuration, with everything but healing - I think it should be restricted to high level magic users, within the Scarlet Spires, or maybe the witches (who are usually too low level to do anything crazy with it). And healing, of course, is the realm of the Divine Spellcasters (wherever they are). view post


Where is this book? posted 29 July 2009 in NeuropathWhere is this book? by Jerako, Candidate

I see. Mostly from the UK, even. I don't understand this, Canada is our neighbor, and you folks across the pond get this book way earlier? Unfair. view post


Would you... posted 10 August 2009 in The Judging EyeWould you... by Jerako, Candidate

Heck yeah! Sorcery would be more fun than you can shake a stick at! Not sure which school, but maybe the pre-Consult Mangaecca or something. World domination is totally my style. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> view post


Gnostism posted 10 August 2009 in General DiscusssionGnostism by Jerako, Candidate

You're absolutely right. I think Scott is definately a student of Gnosticism, or at least Platonic philosophies. Many, many of his philosophies that appear in his books have strong parallels to Gnosticism. Especially if this super-consciousness idea of &quot;the God&quot; and sorcery turn out to be the way he goes.

The idea that we are all God, and share many abilities/traits, is the fundamental belief of Gnosticism, indeed, the very &quot;secret knowledge&quot; from which the sect derived their name. view post


The Judging Eye cover art / edition posted 02 September 2009 in The Judging EyeThe Judging Eye cover art / edition by Jerako, Candidate

I've seen that exact cover at my local library, but that's the only place. Not sure where you'd find a copy for yourself. view post


Incariol, what does it mean? posted 02 September 2009 in The Judging EyeIncariol, what does it mean? by Jerako, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Supersword&quot;:2igzo4sx
First off, in figuring out the syllables between Nonman words, so far as I can tell is that the only difference between Nonman speech patterns and Human speech patterns would be caused by the fused teeth of the former. Otherwise, they still speak via sound vibrations, which leads me to believe that their syllables would constitute much the same length and shape as Humans'. Therefore, it is my belief that the original thought on in-ca-riol or inc-a-riol present more accurate samples.[/quote:2igzo4sx]

Yes, their physical organs for speaking would be very similar, but even within a single species, there are many different cultural modes of thought, and they're expressed quite differently. As has been stated before, Ihrimsu appears to be an inflective language. In grammar, inflection or inflexion is the way language handles grammatical relations and relational categories such as tense, mood, voice, aspect (conjugation only), person, number (conjugation and declension), gender, case (declension only). Many words, such as prepositions, are eliminated, because the language handles that a different way. So it can't be translated with 100% efficiency, and assumptions based on our native tongue about it might not be accurate.

Scott is obviously a student of archaic languages, I wouldn't be surprised if Ihrimsu has much grammar that has been influenced by early Indo-European languages, such as Latin or Ancient Greek. I wouldn't be surprised if a study of those languages would reveal some clues about Ihrimsu. view post


The eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* posted 02 September 2009 in The Judging EyeThe eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* by Jerako, Candidate

The man specifically said something, for whatever reason, to the effect that his &quot;heart couldn't see.&quot; Achamian just knew that would become the literal truth, because of the nature of the topoi. The Pick told him where to look. view post


Incariol, what does it mean? posted 28 September 2009 in The Judging EyeIncariol, what does it mean? by Jerako, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Madness&quot;:3lkahfh1
...remember that Aurang admitted that the Consult created Nonmen skin-spies.[/quote:3lkahfh1]

Where did this occur? I don't remember him saying anything of the sort. It would revise my assumptions about a few things were this true. I was under the impression that skin-spies were invented ca. 3800 YotT, when the Consult &quot;disappeared&quot; from the three-seas. &quot;A new artifact of the Old Science,&quot; I think Achamian said. view post


Does Scott have an agent that takes mail for him? posted 18 November 2009 in Author Q &amp; ADoes Scott have an agent that takes mail for him? by Jerako, Candidate

You could always try sending your letter to the publisher. Most publishers will forward fan mail to the author. view post


Complaint to author posted 06 December 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Jerako, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Athjeari&quot;:16lypvpf

If one were to keep a meditated trance for 7 days, I would almost guarantee that the person would experience something. (Not to mention that you would be 7 days without food).
My problem with it is that I don't believe a person would be able to stay up for 7 straight days in a meditated trance. The most I've ever stayed up in one sitting has been about 41 hours straight and I was sooo freaking exhausted. Although I wasn't able to fall asleep as easily as I thought when I tried to go to bed (oddly enough I couldn't stop my thought processes, they were on overdrive).[/quote:16lypvpf]

I agree. This is why I'm convinced there was some sort of narcotic/stimulant in whatever that was that Kellhus drank before beginning. I was only half-kidding about that. It was vital to imbibe something in to be able to accomplish such a feat. I also believe that the training he recieved before attempting this taught him the rudiments of control that allowed him to forcefully keep himself awake this long. This trance was a partly a test to see if he had mastered that much. If he hadn't been able to use what he had learned so far, for even that much control, which I assume to be much more rigourous, the rest of the training would have been useless.

I certainly didn't need to, but during my teenage years (just a little older than Kellhus was at the time, if I remember his age right)I attempted to stay awake as long as possible. I hit 4 solid days before I attempted to sleep again. Exhaustion isn't even an adequate word for it, in my opinion. That's a level of physical weariness I have never experienced before or since. My mind, however, was another story. I'm amazed that Kellhus was able to maintain mental control for the entire time, for I was quite delusional by the end, in a mind-racing, out-of-control sort of way. I wasn't hallucinating or anything, but I definitely was not thinking normally. I couldn't imagine the effects if one was meditating for the duration.

When it was over, for whatever reason (I can't remember anymore) I couldn't sleep either. It took at least 6 hours after I tried to lay down that I eventually crashed. I don't know how to describe it other than it felt like I forgot how. Four days seemed a lot longer than four days when you don't sleep. It had to be an eternity for Kellhus. view post


About the Dunyain... posted 06 December 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAbout the Dunyain... by Jerako, Candidate

Agreed, Athjeari. We already know that Achamian is on his way to Ishual, I can't wait to see what he finds there. I would not be surprised if the Dunyain that Kellhus thought committed suicide after his departure because of &quot;contamination,&quot; did not in fact do so. Some similar things have been nagging at me for a long time too. For example, for Mo to have sent the dreams to the Dunyain, and for the Dunyain to have acted on them accordingly, they must have accepted the existence of sorcery as the origin of their dreams.

This is total speculation, but I believe that there are &quot;sects,&quot; if you will, within the Dunyain. What I mean is that high-ranking Dunyain (perhaps not even all of them) withhold information from the trainees for various reasons, as in conditioning different Dunyain in different ways). I would not be surprised if they intentionally taught Kellhus (Mo?) that sorcery didn't exist, knowing that it in fact did. (At least their own version of it, since they evidently destroyed the previous sorcerous texts upon arrival to Ishual. Kellhus practices creative sorcery, why couldn't the rest of them?) Only a Dunyain can decieve a Dunyain effectively. As I stated in a previous thread, I believe the Dunyain are breeding for the trait that grants sorcerous ability, because only the Few can survive the training (whether they do so for actual sorcerous practice or no).

Why they would do this, however, I lack the information to guess. Like I said, just speculation. We can only wait until Scott finishes the rest of the series to know for sure. I think he's going to miss his deadline of finishing the Second Apocalypse before the real apocalypse <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->. view post


Dunyain machinations posted 02 March 2010 in The Judging EyeDunyain machinations by Jerako, Candidate

I am of the opinion that Kellhus was -not- sent to kill Moenghus. That simply became his objective, as he learned more. One of Kellhus' first thoughts after leaving Ishual (when there was nobody around to decieve yet, so I doubt he's lying) was: I shall dwell in my father's house.

Odd thing, if he was truly sent to assassinate him.


EDIT: To clarify, Kellhus was sent to appease Mo, so that he'd stop harrassing them, then they killed all those Mo could contact. view post


Is Kellus insane or not posted 02 March 2010 in The Judging EyeIs Kellus insane or not by Jerako, Candidate

The haloes are proof that he's delusional, not that he is in fact a prophet. Recall when Serwe was getting raped by the skin-spy posing as Kellhus. She still saw the haloed hands.

This series is largely based on the subjectivity of mass opinions though. The question of whether Kellhus is in fact insane, or not, is determined largely by mass belief. Not only in that insanity is largely defined as a deviation from the &quot;normal&quot; state of mind, but that in this series, belief, especially mass belief, truly affects reality. view post


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