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Ilyich Commoner | joined 02 January 2009 | 9 posts


*Spoilers* Favourite new character. posted 05 June 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Favourite new character. by Ilyich, Commoner

Nah, like others have already pointed out, he didn't have the cloak of faces, and Mekeretrig used a broad sword, whereas Incariol used a great sword; thats not to suggest Nonmen are incapable of being open to variety, but it just doesn't seem like an inconsistency I would read in this series. Theres also differences in the way they act. This is just speculation however, but I would define Incariol as being the opposite of Mekeretrig. Incariol can't think humans are AS bad as Sranc if he's still hanging around with them. Mekeretrig on the other hand tries to alleviate the madness/remember by submerging himself in the violent/sadistic/disturbing activities of the Sranc.

Incariol is definitely my new favourite character. I find myself wondering, could he defeat Kellhus? I know, Kellhus has pwnz0r cants he devised himself, plus he is physically/mentally superior to men in all respects, but I remember reading one part where Incariol used cants of the Quya (if thats what its called) to augment his martial combat. Kellhus might have a few things which Mandate Schoolmen can't discover/fathom themselves, but it would seem that Incariol knows powerful cants known only to Nonmen magi.

Incariol also seems to have a deeply ingrained sense of morals, which from what I've read is rare to find in an erratic. I only get that feeling because of how he went to the utmost lengths to protect the lives of his companions in Cil-aujas. Unlike some other erratics who invest themselves in wholesale destruction and sadistic violence/slaughter, he represents all the noble aspects which have faded from most of the remnants of his race (maybe he, "remembers" by protecting instead of destroying?) This really sets him apart from Kellhus, who in the same situation I don't doubt would have used the Skin Eaters to ensure his own escape (especially since he is now vulnerable to chorae). If Kellhus had been in Cleric's shoes, and got the feeling he was in danger and the battle wasn't going their way (which it definitely wasn't) he would have teleported away immediately.

Where Kellhus just turns people into tools, Incariol seems to be the hero people thought and hoped Kellhus was initially going to be; thats saying a lot for a Nonman erratic.

Also, he referred to the Nonman king as cousin; might that have made him an Ishroi prince of Cil-Aujas at one point? He seems to fit the title of, "prince of nothing," but in a different way than Kellhus does.

Anyway, the book was great, and Incariol is amazing as well as a mystery.

Note: I really wonder who that stranger was who went to see Kosoter at the beginning of the book? view post


No-God theory, or another theory posted 05 June 2009 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]No-God theory, or another theory by Ilyich, Commoner

I agree with the first poster. The no-god seems to be a thing of confusion. I think Cnaiur may be alive, but his use in the creation of the no-god will probably involve some use of the Tekne on him.

Then again, if he is still alive, perhaps the consult have him rallying the Scyvlendi to fight for Golgotterath?

I have my own theory though, that perhaps Incariol will be the No-God? Since he is my new favourite character, I am really hoping that this isn't the case.



SPOILER!!!!\/\/\/\/



While he was possessed by the Nonman king, the spirit said a few things regarding a god.

"I dream that I am a God."
"But a hunger... a hunger runs through me... splits me like rotted stone."
"How... could a God hunger?"


However, last we saw of Incariol in the book, he was emerging from Cil-Aujas and he wasn't floating around like something from an exorcism movie anymore. So this, imo, doesn't point at him becoming the No-God (or him being a synthesis with another to create the No-God), but it seems like more of a hint. view post


PoN/AE inspired art? posted 07 June 2009 in Off-Topic DiscussionPoN/AE inspired art? by Ilyich, Commoner

Does anyone have any artwork inspired by the Prince of Nothing trilogy or the new book The Judging Eye which they would like to share? Post it here!

Right now I'm doing some sketches of Incariol (which suck), and later I'm going to use these to make a model with Maya. So I've spent a few hours trying to think of what Nonman armour would look like... since descriptions in The Darkness that Comes Before and The Judging Eye haven't been specific (Mekeretrig=heavy armor, Incariol="he stands planked in silvery armour, plates skirted in impossibly fine chain, his greatsword swinging from his left hip") I'm guessing its more likely that Incariol is wearing more traditional Nonman armour). At the moment I'm looking at a bunch of pictures of plate armor, and I'm thinking of ways to alter them which will make look better and more like something a Nonmen Ishroi would wear (and to fit in more with the image which appears in my head when I read the description of Incariol's armor). view post


History posted 07 June 2009 in Writing TipsHistory by Ilyich, Commoner

I take the time to develop the world in my head. I usually end up writing down all of the details, and then theres all of the more micro details. The latter are more difficult for me to think of, since initially when I think of a fictional world, I categorize everything (so this is here, and its called this), but in reality its colourless and doesn't really possess, "flavour".

So filling in history, customs, etc, really helps breathe life into that world. Over time I've learned its best to really thoroughly go over the world and put a lot of thought into each of its parts, rather than just assigning generic models to each (these will be the vicious people, these will be the nice people, these will be the guys who like horses and resemble norse, these will be the courageous people who resemble medieval Britian, etc). I find this was the failing of many of my earlier stories, since to myself they didn't even seem to possess any meaning or life.

Using history is definitely good for gaining inspiration, but really make it yours and not just a rehash.

Then of course that world will probably undergo many revisions as you develop the story, but thats expected view post


Your First Time posted 08 June 2009 in Off-Topic DiscussionYour First Time by Ilyich, Commoner

The Soulforge (The Raistlin Chronicles) view post


Esme's Womb Corrupted? *Spoilers* posted 08 July 2009 in The Judging EyeEsme's Womb Corrupted? *Spoilers* by Ilyich, Commoner

After my first time reading through TJE, I found myself wondering, "why do some of Kellhus' children turn out half-baked?"

Besides speculation that Kellhus is insane (which I'm not very convinced he is), I couldn't see how that would affect his seed. Some might argue that in TJE mind has some bearing over matter, but I'm going to present an alternative theory anyway.

In the first book, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Esme have sex with an skin spy (I'm assuming it was Sarcellus)?

Perhaps the reason her child Inrilatas is messed up?

"Inrilatas' shriek trailed into a series of masturbatory grunts. On and on they continued, each sucking on the one prior, all possessing a hairless animality that made her clutch Kelmomas' shoulder."

The madness she describes as being a result of his closeness to God seems to greatly resemble the general demeanor of Sranc?

So, any more ideas? Do you think it has something to do with Kellhus, or Esme? view post


Still active posted 07 December 2009 in Off-Topic DiscussionStill active by Ilyich, Commoner

Just giving notice that I'm still around, I'm sure you'll be thrilled <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

Who else still lives?

Oh well, the forum always experiences an large influx of activity around the release of a new book.

Keep up the awesome work Mr. Bakker! view post


Awesome, and Sad posted 15 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Awesome, and Sad by Ilyich, Commoner

I was blown away by this book. I'm doing a second read through, where I won't skip the Esmenet/Kelmomas/WLW chapters, but it was an amazing read all the same.

SPOILERS AHEAD


I was disappointed in the way Incariol died though. I thought he would have been a major character in the story, but I guess the Nonmen are characterized by tragedy, and so his death fit into that (it was the saddest part of the book). In my mind I was hoping for Incariol to redeem himself and challenge Kellhus, perhaps have his amnesia cured somehow. As well, if Incariol left Ishterebinth because the Nonmen there decided to ally themselves with Golgotterath, then I'm guessing that means the alliance Kellhus struck with them is a false one (unless he made a bargain with them the reader doesn't know about, tempting enough for them to betray Golgotterath and resist screwing the ordeal over so they can bask in the tragedy of it).

I'm also wondering if Mimara having a go with the Nonman will have any significance on the story (in regards to her already existing pregnancy). Just a thought, they aren't human after all.

I think Kellhus let Golgotterath know about the location of Ishual, so that if Achamian somehow managed to extricate himself from the predicament Kosoter put him, it wouldn't matter anyway; OR Kellhus traded the location of Ishual for something else.

Anyways, I can't wait to read the Unholy Consult. view post


No-God theory, or another theory posted 15 June 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]No-God theory, or another theory by Ilyich, Commoner

Not sure about Cnaiur being a candidate for the no-god... I always thought it was a combination of the tekne, consult sorcery, and a force from the outside. I had a post on here a long while ago where I noted the similarity between the Nonman wight's words in The Judging Eye and those instances where you get to read what the No-God says.

While he was possessed by the Nonman king, the spirit said a few things regarding a god.

&quot;I dream that I am a God.&quot;
&quot;But a hunger... a hunger runs through me... splits me like rotted stone.&quot;
&quot;How... could a God hunger?&quot;
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