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Athjeari Peralogue | joined 29 May 2008 | 63 posts

Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 08 August 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Athjeari, Peralogue

I had thought it was fairly easy to determine that the assassin Esmenet hired was in fact the White Luck Warrior. The way the assassins behavior and actions were described, it seemed like it was the White Luck to me anyhow (granted, I think it shows the White Luck killing the original, intended assassin). Esmi has absolutely no idea of course, but that's kind of the point. The White Luck is not confined to the principle of before and after rather he sees the continuous stream of time. Events that take place after are apparent to him in the before.

IIRC, nobody said anything about the Southern King being a competent battle-commander. If anything, I think it was shown that he was an inferior commander because of the choices being made. Not to mention the stress that was being put on them from constantly having to be on guard. Most of the competent battle-commanders from the South were probably killed during the First Holy War (from the Prince of Nothing).

I don't think it's certain that Chanv is burnt Nonmen either. It's referred to as Qirri (sp?) in the book, where do you make the connection to Chanv? Where would Iyokus obtain such a supply of burnt Nonmen? I think it's a bit different.

You seem to try and attribute full Dunyain abilities to half Dunyain Maithanet too. He's not as powerful as Kellhus, and he readily admits this at times.

The idea of eating the Sranc could be very interesting, but I don't think we have any reason to believe the meat will do anything but offer sustenance. They'll be eating actual meat, not ash. That may be a determining factor on the effectiveness of any power within the meat/body of the Sranc/Nonmen. view post

Kellhus vs Dune posted 12 September 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus vs Dune by Athjeari, Peralogue

I read Dune for the first time within the last year, and I have to say that I can identify with what you're talking about regarding the presentation of some ideas.

However, I've seen a lot of people categorize Dune as a ecological Sci-Fi novel. Obviously a lot of focus of the book was the use/misuse of the planet and how that affected the populations living on Arrakis. I realize this doesn't represent the entirety of the novel, but it was a fairly large part of it. Bakker doesn't worry about stuff like that. Also, keep in mind when Dune was first published, back in 1965. The genre was quite different back then, Dune was something new and special.

I also remember reading, at some point, on Bakker's blog, or during an interview that the Dune series was one of the most mind-blowing reading experiences Scott has ever had (I believe he says he was fairly young when he read them). Scott has also said he doesn't have a creative bone in his body, and so borrows from favorites. Clearly, he has borrowed from Herbert to some extent, but I'd also agree that Bakker's much more entertaining and "colourful" to read than Herbert.

I haven't actually been able to finish reading Dune Messiah, the story doesn't go anywhere at times. I might still finish it at some point, but Dune Messiah is not high on my immediate reading list.

Dune is certainly worth reading, I personally kind of like the movie too (it's a bit odd and crazy but that's David Lynch for you), the way Herbert introduces the Fremen was fantastic and full of intrigue and mystery. I also like how he incorporates Spice in so many cool ways. All in all, Dune is certainly a classic that is worth reading.

Personally, I think Bakker is a much better read, but hey it's opinion, man. view post

Kellhus vs Dune posted 13 September 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus vs Dune by Athjeari, Peralogue

I should have told you that I've watched the made for TV series Children of Dune which, judging from the timeline of events, should probably have been broken in two parts entitle Dune Messiah and Children of Dune. Your post reminded me of that fact because of what you said regarding Paul Atreides. I really dig your comparison of the Cishaurim to this, I honestly didn't even think about that connection. Awesome! I have a feeling it had to influence Bakker a little. I also can't believe I didn't see the relationship between "Spice" and "chanv". You could almost substitute the two terms!

The chanv extends life...
The chanv expands consciousness...

I think given the fact we have so little information given of the Fremen is precisely why I like them so much. I was able to construct a concept of how I wanted to see them. Herbert gives us the pieces, and we get to put them together. If you're familiar with persuasion theory, and Aristotle's concept of an enthymeme, I'd like to compare it to that. We're given premises about the Fremen throughout most of the book, but we're left to make a lot of conclusions on our own.

Bakker also does something similar to this with the Nonmen. Particularly in PON, where we only see 2 direct interactions with Nonmen (1st in the prologue of TDtCB, and the 2nd in Akka's first chapter of TTT). Man, I've fallen in love with the Nonmen. I think they're one of the most intriguing aspects about Bakker's world, and I think a main reason is I know so little about them. view post


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