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What Comes Before Determines What Comes After... posted 01 Jun 2008, 02:06 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]What Comes Before Determines What Comes After... by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

This is a post offering some of my own personal speculation on character parallels in the series. Likewise, I invite everyone to critique these ideas. I know we are all familiar with the philosophy I have utilized for the title of this thread; the Dunyain belief that what comes before determines what comes after, and that this in fact enslaves all men. I'm not sure if these hypothoses are too plausible or obvious, but here are some ideas I've been pondering: [b:1wc092j3]Warning: For those who haven't finished the series, there are some spoilers ahead[/b:1wc092j3] At the end of The Thousandfold Thought, Kellhus was named Aspect-Emperor. Achamian has been exiled; banished himself to wizardry. This in turn has created a rift between Kellhus and Achamian. Esmenet has forsaken Achamian for Kellhus (perhaps 'forsaken' is a strong word; she certainly is torn. Still, she harbors feelings for him). What can we expect? Anasurimbor Celmomas began the First Apocalypse when he called for a holy war against Golgotterath. This was called Celmomas's Great Ordeal. The first book of the new series will likewise be called The Great Ordeal, signifying Kellhus's holy war (upon, most likely, I believe Golgotterath). Seswatha was an important figure in the First Apocalypse. Observing Seswatha's history, one makes some interesting discoveries: Born the caste-menial son of a bronzesmith Identified as one of the Few at a young age A prodigy as a youth Became "fast friends" with Celmomas Teacher of Celmomas and Anaxophus (I'm actually uncertain about this fact, so if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it; I'm fairly certain he was the teacher of at least one of them) Became estranged with Celmomas because of influence over Celmomas's son Had an affair with Celmomas's most prized wife This all sounds familiar to Achamian: Caste-menial son of a fishmonger Identified as one of the Few at a young age Became "fast friends" with Kellhus Teacher of Kellhus (and Proyas...) Becomes estranged with Kellhus upon the conclusion of The Thousandfold Thought (even exiled; one step past Seswatha) Had an affair with Esmenet Celmomas and Seswatha did not reconcile their differences until the "eve of the Apocalypse," the Encyclopaedia says. Is this the same fate that Kellhus and Achamian can expect? Will Proyas fulfil the role of Anaxophus? Will the Second Apocalypse be thwarted before it can begin? Will the Aspect-Emperor succeed? Or will the series merely serve to prove the age-old adage: that history, truly, does repeat itself? And if this should be the case, will it prove the Dunyain to be false; that, in fact, all men are slaves to history? view post

Re: Erikson Neophyte posted 01 Jun 2008, 15:06 in Literature DiscussionErikson Neophyte by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I've read Gardens of the Moon and fairly enjoyed it. It definitely is slow, but picks up perhaps midway through the book. Erikson is not the best writer, but some of his techniques are very interesting. The cinematic technique he utilizes of switching rapidly back and forth between characters to create a heightened sense of tension works quite well, and definitely helpes to move those passages along. You just can't wait to see what happens! As for characterization, both Martin and Bakker are far better, I believe. At first I never thought any fantasy writer could be better at characterization that Martin; that opinion changed when I read The Darkness That Comes Before. Bakker is on par with Martin; an impeccable writer. Personally, Erikson is good but a step below each of them. To be honest, when I first started reading Gardens of the Moon it felt as though I was reading some cheap adaptation of a role playing game (which makes some sense, considering they were originally intended as video games). Still, if you can make it halfway through, the book does eventually pay off. I bought Deadhouse Gates with the intention of beginning it, but before I could explore it a decent amount I discovered Bakker's trilogy. Needless to say, Erikson was put down. view post

Re: What Comes Before Determines What Comes After... posted 03 Jun 2008, 16:06 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]What Comes Before Determines What Comes After... by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Great post. Regarding your interpretation of the Celmoman Prophecy, I find it to be interesting. You're right, it [i:2ibxrstq]doesn't[/i:2ibxrstq] say that an Anasurimbor will "save the world." Only that one "will return." Personally, I believe (and this has been discussed elsewhere on this forum) that Moenghus has not had his final word. I believe that Kellhus underestimated him, and that-while he may not return in physical form-his words and influence in the world will continue to haunt Kellhus's thoughts. I feel that Kellhus has been very lucky so far, and almost too persuasive. I have a strong feeling that, eventually, he is going to realize something about himself, and/or many of his followers are going to realize that he truly isn't what they've believed him to be. view post

Poetry posted 03 Jun 2008, 16:06 in Member Written WorksPoetry by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I've copied two short poems here for all to read. I'd appreciate any criticism you all have to offer. I think you'll like the first one. It's titled "Birth." I wrote it a while ago, before I read Bakker; but I think it bears some similarities to Cnaiur's quest to avenge his father's death: "Birth" Born from warm flesh into cold night, Son of Boreas wild; I break the skin, I cry for sight, My father’s firstborn child. The sunlight breaks through veiled skies, The wind kisses my brow, A son is born, a father dies, But live I shall for now. The frozen stills of distant hills Are my eternal stage. The promise of the grave fulfills The consequence of rage; And oceans can’t contain my fury, And mountains prove no test To find him and his body bury Who laid my father to rest. The flame of birth is kindled, slow, Till like a blaze it roars; And manhood begs my name to know, From near to distant shores. I’ll scream it out in heathen tongues To all lands of the earth, Till breath has all but fled my lungs, And death fulfills my birth. The second is untitled and is based upon a dream I had: "Untitled: A Dream" Upon a bark, upon a stream, Down waters swift we rode; Within the darkness of a dream, Towards waterfalls we flowed. We yearned for where the river came Abruptly to an end, For there our spirits, free of shame, The One-eyed would commend. We gripped the shafts that bore our steel, And screamed upon the tide; The rapids’ rocks had torn the keel, And hewn the starboard side. My arm I could no longer feel, My brothers all had died, Save two, who by my side did kneel And roar in feral pride. We raised our swords towards the sky, And bellowed in a tongue Of heathen kin-a pagan cry- As water drenched the lung. Before our eyes the shores did fleet, As did our lives still young, Which we, like blood soaked in a sheet, From out the sheet had wrung. Forth I did shout my father’s name- Recalled my mother’s face- I saw my wife, who always came To me in my disgrace. I heard my son; his laughter rose From memories long past- Would this, my life, I still have chose To have it end at last? We come now to the end of all, Where waters fall to fate, And course beyond the waterfall Where stormy graves await. I scream and thrust my blade on high: “Valhalla!” comes the call; And blood adorns the pagan sky From which my brothers fall. My eyes open in dreariness; The dark smells of despair. I feel consumed by weariness And terror as I stare Upon a cave where echoes rang, A cavern deep and wide, From which I see in thousands hang My brothers who have died. view post

Re: posted 03 Jun 2008, 20:06 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his "good guy" status. by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

[quote="superkeer":1hegwrgm]This is something I've been debating with myself for a few days now that I've finished the trilogy. I don't like Kellhus at all. I found myself rooting against him at the end. I really wanted him to receive, what I feel, is coming to him. There was an important step he missed in going from sociopathic manipulator to (possibly) delusional demi-god, and that step was "humanity." I don't understand his motivation anymore; now that he's faced his father and completed his "mission," he can only continue to be driven by his own personal motives... and the only motivation to continue his charade is that he has either A) gone off the deep end, B) actually discovered a way to achieve divine status and then as a result C) has become obsessed with the knowledge that he continues to unlock. But along the way, he's cut a swath through the entire world. His personal mission, which he kept from everyone save Cnaiur, has resulted in the deaths of thousands, the displacement of hundreds of thousands, and the complete, 90-degree shift of countless nations, cultures, and histories in the civilized world. And now he's content to continue on, seemingly without regard for anyone other than himself. I suppose he envisions himself in the scheme of the Apocalypse, perhaps he wants to be humanity's savior, but I don't believe its for any selfless reason. He just wants to make everyone love him, but nothing the world could do would make him love [i:1hegwrgm]it[/i:1hegwrgm]. I see him struggling to dominate the Dunyain next, then he may undertake a mission to dominate the Consult, which may prove to be his undoing. If he ends up becoming Mog-Pharau reborn, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.[/quote:1hegwrgm] I feel the same way about Kellhus. I was also rooting against him (in a way; I'm very torn over his character; I don't see him as a "bad guy;" I don't really think there are "Bad guys" in this story, not even the Consult/Inchoroi). I feel that he has been very lucky and very manipulative. Personally, I have a feeling that he underestimated Moenghus. I think that his dialogue with his father will continue to haunt him, and I believe that eventually he is going to come to terms with his own fallibility. I think most of us agree that the members of his court will also learn the truth, particularly Proyas and Esmenet. We [i:1hegwrgm]know[/i:1hegwrgm] that Esmenet still loves Achamian, and I believe that this is going to contribute to Kellhus's realization of his own human emotions. So much is poised to happen in these books, it's incredible. Bakker truly has created an amazing story with so much to offer. view post

Roles of Characters in the Aspect-Emperor series posted 03 Jun 2008, 20:06 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Achamian the No God? (TWP, pg 12)... by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I don't believe that Achamian is the No-God. Furthermore, I don't think that any primary character of the books will prove to become the No-God. I think the No-God is an entity in and of itself. However, I do believe that Kellhus and Achamian have specific roles to play: Achamian=Seswatha Kellhus=Celmomas Proyas=Anaxophus V Esmenet=Celmomas's most "prized wife" Nau Cayuti=Kellhus's son by Esmenet, perhaps? Or, even better, in the Aspect-Emperor series, Achamian and Esmenet will rekindle their love unbeknownst to Kellhus, and Esmenet will bear Achamian's son. This will further prove to parallel history, because there is a rumor that Nau Cayuti was actually Seswatha's son by Celmomas's wife. view post

Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 04 Jun 2008, 02:06 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I want Edward Norton for Kellhus. As for some others: I've always pictured Achamian as a Ray Winstone-type character. The Jeff Bridges suggestion was good too. I'm hesitant about skin color, but I definitely don't think Morgan Freeman could do it (where exactly in the books does it offer the physical description of Achamian's face?) Esmenet- someone less strikingly beautiful than Monica Belluci; someone more subtly beautiful; Marisa Tomei, or someone like that Moenghus- Stellan Skarsgard Proyas- Joaquin Phoenix Cnaiur- The Rock :wink: I don't know, maybe a buff Ray Stevenson Conphas- can't think of one; somebody like James Purefoy, but he's a bit too old view post

Re: Seswatha=Kellhus? Nau-Cayuti=Achamian? (Or not ...) posted 04 Jun 2008, 16:06 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha=Kellhus? Nau-Cayuti=Achamian? (Or not ...) by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Kellhus=Celmomas Achamian=Seswatha Proyas=Anaxophus Esmenet=Celmomas's most prized wife Esmenet and Achamian's eventual son=Nau Cayuti view post

Re: Nostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? posted 07 Jun 2008, 15:06 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Some of my favorite passages are still Achamian's Seswatha dreams in which the old sorcerer and Nau Cayuti are crawling through the depths beneath Golgotterath and find the Ark of the Skies. The description and the writing drips with a sense of arcane horror that we can't even fathom, much like the Event Horizon from the movie of the same name. view post

Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 09 Jun 2008, 14:06 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

[quote="Athjeari":3iwrcw8f]I have always had trouble picturing Cnaiur. So many things about him make me picture Euro/Asian barbarains - i.e. Gauls, Germanic tribes, even Huns etc. etc. At the same time I also feel that picturing him as a Native American would also fit. The sinewed look, the long black straight hair, the Scylvendi lifestyle itself. What ethnicity do you all imagine for Cnaiur???[/quote:3iwrcw8f] I've always pictured him as something similar to a Hun. I've contemplated Mongol as well, but I can't picture Cnaiur with such a facial appearance. [quote="Athjeari":3iwrcw8f]Kellhus would be the HARDEST character to cast. He is taller than most men. He has long blonde hair (I believe it's wavy too), blue eyes and is in peak physical condition(remember he holds Cnaiur over a cliff with ONE ARM!). He has a beard and is from the north. Nordic characteristics if you ask me, he sounds like a menacing nord but yet with a body type that screams agility. That body type is hard to come by, plus he has to be beautiful. Not to mention he has to have a voice that can melt people where they stand.[/quote:3iwrcw8f] I picture Edward Norton as he appeared in American History X. Muscular, toned, but still very slender. view post

Re: Kellhus, his divinity, and his "good guy" status. posted 15 Jun 2008, 13:06 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his "good guy" status. by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

[quote="Harrol":2nqvk6tg]Wow well put. It always bothered me that Kellhus would not question his own decisions with one exception his encounter with Aurang when he thinks that he should have killed Cnaiur. I guess that is him second guessing himself.[/quote:2nqvk6tg] And it fits that that would be the one action he questions. Kellhus always knew that Cnaiur posed more of a threat because of his knowledge and doubt of the Dunyain. Cnaiur has always been the thorn in Kellhus's side, along with Conphas (who was far easier to dispose of) and at times Achamian (who was easier to manipulate). view post

Re: Music..not generally... posted 29 Jun 2008, 19:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionMusic..not generally... by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Pink Floyd is my favorite band of all time. Meddle is actually my favorite album by them. That said, regarding the original discussion, the only musicians I can see coming close to the Waters/Gilmour combination of Pink Floyd would be: Gabriel/Hackett (Genesis) Anderson/Barre (Jethro Tull) view post

Re: sranc posted 16 Jul 2008, 23:07 in The Darkness That Comes Beforesranc by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I always imagined the Sranc as looking like the Reavers from the Serenity movie (spinoff of the Firefly television series). view post

Re: Now listening to... posted 23 Jul 2008, 19:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Amorphis- To Father's Cabin view post

Re: Rome posted 23 Jul 2008, 19:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionRome by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Other than minute details involving primary characters, I thought Rome was fairly accurate, as far as history goes. I mean, I know that... SPOILERS ...Pullo probably didn't father a son that was mistaken for Caesar's, but who cares? It was a great plot twist. As far as major events go, I believe everything is pretty accurate, no? view post

House of Leaves posted 25 Jul 2008, 14:07 in Literature DiscussionHouse of Leaves by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

[color=#0000FF:1k30pvfe]House[/color:1k30pvfe] of Leaves is a book written by Mark Danielewski, and is one of the most intriguing, confusing, terrifying, engaging and at the same time mind-boggling books I've ever read. Since finishing it I've gone back and reread several sections, and I find it rapidly climbing my list of favorite books. Here's the premise, for those who don't know: The Navidson family first realizes something is wrong with their [color=#0000FF:1k30pvfe]house[/color:1k30pvfe] on Ash Tree Lane when its dimensions on the inside are larger than the outside. The terrors ensue and eventually culminate when a mysterious, doorless, pitch black hallway materializes out of nowhere in the living room, extending out into their backyard. However, the impossibility lies in what one sees from outside; there is no protrusion, no corridor sitting on the Navidson's backyard. The doorway is a physical impossibility, leading into a seemingly unknown, unfathomable dimension. And its depths are equally unfathomable... That's the basic idea of the story, but there's so much more to it than that. The narrative style is extremely intricate and oftentimes confusing. Will Navidson was a photo-journalist, so he took video documents of his explorations of the [color=#0000FF:1k30pvfe]house[/color:1k30pvfe]. The narrative style is as follows: at the heart is The Navidson Record, which is being academically reviewed by a man named Zampano. Zampano's critical essay is in turn being edited by a man named Johnny Truant (the main narrator). Truant's edition is in turn being edited by a group of anonymous, ethereal editors. The book is littered with footnotes, some of which reference real works, others which reference completely fictional ones. Johnny Truant is an interesting character, and provides a unique contrast to the story of The Navidson Record. He is an extremely unreliable narrator whose sanity comes into question the more he delves into the horrors of Zampano's essay. Furthermore, many of his footnotes are a self-contained story, with Truant going off on tangents when something in Zampano's writing trigger's his memory. His stories are more akin to the style of Kerouac or Thompson, involving tales of travel, loose women, and substance abuse. All in all, the book is a fascinating read if you're a fan of extremely surreal, obscure material. The book is also an example of ergodic literature, with some pages containing only a few lines, some on which the text is upside-down, and others on which text appears written backwards. It is by no means an easy read, and requires a great deal of patience and determination on the reader's part. But if you have the time and energy, it's a very rewarding experience; and one hell of a dark, scary ride. Also, be sure to read the appendices. They shed more light on the story. :wink: view post

Re: House of Leaves posted 29 Aug 2008, 19:08 in Literature DiscussionHouse of Leaves by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

You'll probably want to finish the book you're currently reading. [color=#0000FF:1t3x64mi]House[/color:1t3x64mi] of Leaves is going to require your complete and undivided attention, and you'll get the most out of it if you don't have another story on your mind. :wink: view post

Re: House of Leaves posted 29 Aug 2008, 19:08 in Literature DiscussionHouse of Leaves by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

You'll probably want to finish the book you're currently reading. [color=#0000FF:3pm4hcqe]House[/color:3pm4hcqe] of Leaves is going to require your complete and undivided attention, and you'll get the most out of it if you don't have another story on your mind. :wink: view post

Re: About philosophy... posted 01 Sep 2008, 00:09 in Philosophy DiscussionAbout philosophy... by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I found your second quote rather interesting. Many "proverbs" do, in fact, contradict one another. However, I don't think this demonstrates a lack of critical thinking or error. I believe that two contradicting quotes can be true. For instance: "Absence makes the heart grow fonder." and "Out of sight, out of mind." Quotes like this might seem contradictory and therefore confusing to us, but they should lead us to further questioning: why does absence make the heart grow fonder? When you truly think about it, these two quotes don't seem contradictory at all. While we are apart from someone we care about, our mind naturally finds other things to occupy our thoughts. Therefore, "out of mind." However, when we are reunited, our mind returns to thoughts about that person, and all the reasons why we enjoy being with him/her begin to surface. I think it's important to realize that human beings are contradictory creatures. However, there are still patterns to why we feel certain things. Philosophy allows us to question these feelings, and where they come from. We can identify the contradictions in human nature and seek to explain them using philosophy. Of course, philosophy has many uses and purposes. I only speak of this one because the quote about contradictions made me think. view post

Re: Zeitgeist posted 18 Sep 2008, 18:09 in Philosophy DiscussionZeitgeist by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

The whole deal about the North American Union is untrue. It wasn't signed, and it's really not as bad as that movie makes it out to be. view post

Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 26 Sep 2008, 02:09 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

[quote="Lies And Perfidy":luida37h]Basically half the cast of Kingdom of Heaven. To wit: Edward Norton - Kellhus (the greatest actor of our generation. If anyone could pull off that complex and multifaceted a role, it's him.)[/quote:luida37h] Win. I agree. view post

Oddities in The Judging Eye posted 20 Mar 2009, 23:03 in The Judging EyeOddities in The Judging Eye by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

There are several points about [i:1793qtu3]The Judging Eye[/i:1793qtu3] that I find to be odd. For starters, Bakker's trademark "What Has Come Before" appears at the end of the novel. Granted, I found it anyway because I flipped back to see if he included any kind of supplementary information; but still, shouldn't this come as more of an introduction? Secondly, there is a profound distance in the book from Kellhus and his followers. Where are the narratives involving Proyas, or even Kellhus himself? I certainly hope the next few installments give us some insight. I admit that Sorweel and the Cult of Yatwer are interesting narratives, but they create a distance and inherent prejudice against The Great Ordeal. I admit to personally wanting to see Kellhus proved false, but I also admire him as a character. The story in [i:1793qtu3]The Judging Eye[/i:1793qtu3] seems to be leveling itself drastically against the Anasurimbors. Thirdly, and not so much an oddity, but interesting; Bakker has admitted to being influenced by Tolkien, but in this book we see parallels so blatant that they almost slap you in the face; the "Black Halls," the battles with sranc and bashrag (or, orcs and cave trolls), the "dead king beneath the mountain"... all these elements were utilized in [i:1793qtu3]The Lord of the Rings[/i:1793qtu3]. Also, did anyone else catch the Cormac McCarthy influence? I'm sure we all remember Bakker's introductory quote in [i:1793qtu3]The Darkness That Comes Before[/i:1793qtu3] which he lifted from McCarthy's [i:1793qtu3]Blood Meridian.[/i:1793qtu3] Well, now in [i:1793qtu3]The Judging Eye[/i:1793qtu3] we're introduced to a band of, what? Yes, [i:1793qtu3]scalpers,[/i:1793qtu3] who are led by nothing more than a very ominous, brutal warmonger, and a mysterious, almost otherworldly pale-skinned being. This book is like [i:1793qtu3]The Lord of the Rings[/i:1793qtu3] meets [i:1793qtu3]Blood Meridian.[/i:1793qtu3] I loved the book, don't get me wrong; Bakker always manages to insert his own unique voice and talent into what he writes. However, this book definitely pales in comparison, I believe, to the previous trilogy. I recall reading somewhere that Bakker claimed this trilogy would almost "mirror" the first one, in a way. He has said that where the first book in his Prince of Nothing Trilogy was the longest, the final insallment of the Aspect-Emperor Trilogy will be the longest. I'm hoping, since [i:1793qtu3]The Thousandfold Thought[/i:1793qtu3] was my least favorite of the first trilogy, and [i:1793qtu3]The Darkness That Comes Before[/i:1793qtu3] was my favorite, this final trilogy will prove the opposite. Does anyone else have any other queries or comments regarding strange elements that they noticed while reading the book? view post

Re: Spoiler: Kelmonas' Voice posted 21 Mar 2009, 02:03 in The Judging EyeSpoiler: Kelmonas' Voice by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I believe that Kelmomas' "voice" is actually Samarmas' intellect. At some point, either at birth or during their forced "separation (it was described how they could not look away from each other or be apart from each other)," the combined superior Dunyain intellect did not split properly between each body. Bakker continually describes how Samarmas is much more "simple" and naive than Kelmomas. I believe that Kelmomas has the combined Dunyain intellect. view post

Re: Consensus so far? posted 21 Mar 2009, 02:03 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

It's a great book, but definitely a bit of a let-down after the previous trilogy. I agree that it feels "short." If I recall correctly, Bakker has stated that the first book is going to be the shortest, and they will get consistently longer throughout the series. I certainly hope this is the case, because it feels like not much really happened. Also, where are the narratives from Kellhus' point of view, or even Proyas? I feel like the book is trying to bias its audience against Kellhus by separating us from their perspectives. Anyone else feel this way? view post

Re: The eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* posted 08 Apr 2009, 15:04 in The Judging EyeThe eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Or he knew that [i:24frk7so]something[/i:24frk7so] would be in the Pick's heart. Maybe he had no idea it would be an eye specifically, but he knew that whatever evil affects people in the Black Halls begins with the heart. So obviously, something would be there. view post

Re: The Curse of the Judging Eye (SPOILERS!!!!) posted 08 Apr 2009, 16:04 in The Judging EyeThe Curse of the Judging Eye (SPOILERS!!!!) by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

[quote="lfex":3aoy5ck1][quote="Chirios":3aoy5ck1]But, but, but that makes no sense. Its perfectly fine for some soldiers to destroy entire cities so long as they scream a Gods name while they do it; but its not okay for Achamian to use magic during his quest to SAVE THE WORLD? I'm sorry, but if literally, spending your entire life trying to save the world, and not commiting any truly evil acts while you do it, other than sing a song or two so that people don't stab you through the neck with raw iron; doesn't qualify as heaven material, what does? [/quote:3aoy5ck1] Well, you are assuming gods are reasonable. In Earwa this clearly is not the case. :)[/quote:3aoy5ck1] Which is an interesting commentary on the rationality of our own world's Hebrew/Christian God: "You may partake of the fruit on any tree; oh, except that one. Don't eat from that one." Or, "Here are these seven scrolls; but don't open them until the world is ready." Wouldn't you love to be the person who has that job? Or, "Job, go and sacrifice to me your son Isaac. That's right, take him... oh... oh, damn, he's actually going to do it! Metatron, stop him!" Suffice it to say that entities such as gods (beings beyond our understanding, beyond our comprehension) might seem very unreasonable in our eyes. view post

Re: This board blows. posted 13 Apr 2009, 17:04 in The Judging EyeThis board blows. by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

This was a neat and tidy forum until your arrogant and unnecessary thread soiled it. If you don't like it, please leave. view post

Re: *Spoilers* Favourite new character. posted 11 May 2009, 22:05 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Favourite new character. by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Cleric, because he is basically Judge Holden in Nonman form. view post

Re: Incariol, what does it mean? posted 27 Aug 2009, 19:08 in The Judging EyeIncariol, what does it mean? by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Why wouldn't Akka pick up on the etymology of Cleric's name? You'd think that it would at least give him cause for consideration. EDIT: Didn't see Curethan's post, second from the top, which I'm in agreement with. I find it hard to believe that, if Incariol is indeed Mekeritrig (or something other member of the Inchoroi), Achamian would allow such a fact to go unnoticed. The etymology and Seswatha's memories should provide him with enough information to deduct who Incariol is. view post

Re: This is a bit off topic... posted 13 Oct 2009, 03:10 in The Judging EyeThis is a bit off topic... by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I've been rereading bits from The Darkness That Comes Before (a bit haphazardly, mind you) and haven't come across the passage you're looking for. I would venture that it's not in the first book (wherein Achamian hasn't quite developed to his full skepticism yet), but possibly in the second, as anor suggested. I'm sorry that I couldn't be more specific either, but I am pretty sure it's not in the first book. view post

R. Scott Bakker and Cormac McCarthy posted 13 Oct 2009, 04:10 in The Judging EyeR. Scott Bakker and Cormac McCarthy by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I know this has been mentioned in a few infrequent places throughout this board, but I've been looking back through [i:2be2dszy]The Judging Eye[/i:2be2dszy] lately (along with the books of the previous trilogy) and have found myself becoming more interested in the influence of Cormac McCarthy on Bakker's work. I'm sure we all remember the great quote from [i:2be2dszy]Blood Meridian[/i:2be2dszy] at the beginning of [i:2be2dszy]The Thousandfold Thought;[/i:2be2dszy] but I also found a large [i:2be2dszy]Blood Meridian[/i:2be2dszy] influence in [i:2be2dszy]The Judging Eye,[/i:2be2dszy] specifically regarding the scalpers. The characters of Kosoter and Cleric greatly resemble Glanton and the judge, and even the whole idea of scalping was borrowed from McCarthy's novel. My main question is: does this influence end with mere physical similarities, or is Bakker borrowing similar themes from McCarthy as well? view post

The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 27 Jun 2011, 01:06 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Feel free to move this if a [i:2yjiyv9f]White-Luck Warrior[/i:2yjiyv9f] thread is created. Did anyone else expect a bit more from the conclusion? I don't intend this as a complaint or qualm with the book, but I have to admit I was expecting a bit more. Specifically, I was expecting Bakker to reveal the contents of the text discovered by Akka in Sauglish (i.e. the document revealing the truth about Ishual); but then, I suppose that's the cliffhanger keeping people dedicated to picking up [i:2yjiyv9f]The Unholy Consult.[/i:2yjiyv9f] I was just wondering if anyone else felt this way at the ending. Personally, I'm still invested and think this is one of the most epic and well-conceived fantasy series ever created. I was just anticipating a bit more reward at the end. The whole revelation of the betrayal (of sorts) by the Skin Eaters was great though; the continual reminders of Akka's concern over his own betrayal was a well-placed red herring. I'm still not sure what part Mimara is going to play, but after her influence during the conclusion I'm intrigued... view post


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