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The agenda of the skin spies and the Consult posted 30 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by White Lord, Subdidact

Just a few quick comments . . . It's close to my bed time (;)) so my brain is unreliable and I'd say one huge post a day is enough. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Quote: &quot;bovine_buddha&quot;:1kavwrzv
Once again I agree with your opinions, White Lord, and your reasoning, but I don't think them absolute <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> I think the best we can do in this case is some kind of guesstimation.[/quote:1kavwrzv]

I agree. I'm not prepared to wager a limb on this theory, but I still hold it is theoretically possible, even if it's not exploited in the books.

Quote: &quot;bovine_buddha&quot;:1kavwrzv
I don't fully agree with your reasoning that skin-spies are programmed to blindly follow Consult-orders (I think that the second Sarcellus intent of murdering Kellhus was in fact to cover up his predecessors supposed betrayal, protecting his own hide, though that is just my interpretation)[/quote:1kavwrzv]

My reasoning states they have to obey certain imperatives which are imprinted in their bodies at the genetic level (to quote Sarcellus "obedience to the Maker, the Architect, is absolute", just observe his behaviour in the Synthese's presence) but in most cases, where a free hand is the best solution, they have a wide degree of authonomy, which is what we also see in the skin-spies' behavior when the Synthese is absent.

Quote: &quot;bovine_buddha&quot;:1kavwrzv
3. As Bakker himself has noted, TTT will contain more information about the Mark. Perhaps it is that every sorceror possesses an unique mark that is not reproducible. In this way it would be impossible to replace a sorceror since all his peers would immediately see him as a fraud, entirely blowing the Consult's cover. I just though about this theory, and find it quite likely. Gotta go scan the books to find some info about the Mark. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->[/quote:1kavwrzv]

This is possible, I agree, but will have to wait some time for TTT to prove . . .

Quote: &quot;bovine_buddha&quot;:1kavwrzv
If it would be possible to create sorcery-capable skin-spies, the Consult could just have a bunch of them ready to replace sorcerors unfortunate enough to die a faceless death. And Zap!, the Consult secretly controls the schools of the South. Obviously something prevents them from doing this brilliant move, Which of the one above, or if there is another reason, or if Bakker simply didn't think of this possibility, is unknown to me, so it's everyone's guess for now.[/quote:1kavwrzv]

It may be that it's simply overkill. You don't see thousands of skin-spies in the Holy War. Obviously their present (small) numbers are sufficient for the Consult's purpose. Remember that the whole Holy War can be viewed as a (rather small-scale) precursor of the Apocalypse. As the Synthese says by end of TWP the big picture is the Apocalypse, not the Holy War, and that's some 20 years down the road. Who knows when they might decide to put some plans in action . . .

Quote: &quot;bovine_buddha&quot;:1kavwrzv
But seriously, I think there are some limits to what the Tekne can in fact do in Bakker's world, as there are limits to what our technology can do in our world. And we don't know the Inchoroi came from the stars, or in which way, or in fact not much at all, or how their "technology" works.[/quote:1kavwrzv]

They did come from the stars, in a starship. This is stated clearly by the end of TWP. In fact Golgotterath is the crash site of this starship, and I assume the Inchoroi were so eager to regain it through the School of Mangaecca because all the advanced instruments for Tekne work are concentrated in the remains of the ship.

Quote: &quot;bovine_buddha&quot;:1kavwrzv
By the by, sure, the Inchoroi created the No-God using the Tekne, scary creation and all, but in the description of the No-God his Carapace is a nimil Sarcophagus (who is buried within I wonder?) with choric (chorae, Aporos-connected?) inscription, which implies that the renegade Non-Men probably had something to do with that concoction as well.[/quote:1kavwrzv]

Yes, I already mentioned this in another thread. To my mind the No-God is the result of the melding of Tekne and Aporos/Quya sorcery.

Quote: &quot;bovine_buddha&quot;:1kavwrzv
About Seswatha's Heart, is it ever explained what it really is? Is it his literal heart buried somewhere, or the source of his power conserved by some strange ritual?[/quote:1kavwrzv]

We know only what it's called, nothing more. This will change in TTT.

Quote: &quot;bovine_buddha&quot;:1kavwrzv
I remember Seswatha's crucifixion at the hands of Merekeretrig (Cunoroi perhaps?) was briefly described in PoN.[/quote:1kavwrzv]

Mekeritrig is the Mantraitor mentioned by Achamian. Incidentally, he's also the Nonman Kellhus fights in the Prologue of TDtCB. Obviously Seswatha survived this crucifixion, since he founded the Mandate after the Apocalypse's end.

Quote: &quot;bovine_buddha&quot;:1kavwrzv
Well, anyway, now I'm off to Spain for a week, so I won't be seeing any reply for a while... But keep em coming![/quote:1kavwrzv]

Have fun! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Though I have to say I don't like Spain that much. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> I prefer Greece or Southern Italy, but even more my own country's (Croatia) sea-coast (you could say I'm prejudiced <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->). view post


The agenda of the skin spies and the Consult posted 31 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Cain the Wicked&quot;:2r2xapu2
Now, when a Madati touches the focus, a conduit is created from the Outside to the soul/being of the sorcerer, linking him to Seswatha. Think of many rivers feeding into a giant estuary.[/quote:2r2xapu2]

It'd be better to say Seswatha is a giant river that has as many branches as there are sorcerers connected to him. By the way, I should mention that I have it from Scott that you don't have to be a sorcerer to be affected by the Heart, so the potential number of "acolytes" could be very large.

Anyway, I don't think it was anything Seswatha did to "survive" in the Outside, it's rather a privilege that was granted him by the so-called (by the Nonmen) "agencies" that inhabit the Outside, i.e. the gods of men; probably to continue his fight against the Consult, and give some material help to his successors.

This brings up questions such as reincarnation, predestination etc., which we should be finding out about in TTT to some extent. Anyway I suggest reading the following threads in the Q&amp;A section: "A Conception of Virtue" and "On Inrithism" for some idea of what life after death is like in Earwa (as interpreted by religious and philosophical thinkers).

Here's also an interesting quote from TDtCB that can be applied to Seswatha (or Celmomas and Kellhus for that matter): These men were more than human, they were Kahiht, World Souls, locked in the great wheel of great events.

I'd very much like to know if it's possible that Kellhus is the reincarnation of Celmomas or any great ancestor for that matter; or whether, if you still "live" in the Outside, by the mercy of some agency, you can be summoned back into the world by sorcery, along the lines of what Iyokus did with the demon in TWP. view post


The agenda of the skin spies and the Consult posted 31 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by White Lord, Subdidact

I lent my books to a friend a while ago so I quoted from memory. If I remember correctly, you should find it at the very end of TDtCB, the part where Esmenet observes Zin, Kellhus and the others, while waiting for Achamian.

Let me know if you find it . . . after all, I could just be misremembering.

Otherwise, it's an interesting point to speculate about, this possibility of certain souls born and reborn to affect the world (shades of WoT) . . . view post


A few questions . . . posted 31 May 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Dark Wraith&quot;:2opkrybt
Hi Scott,

what can u say about the prophet Fane? Did he sanction the idea of the White Jihad?[/quote:2opkrybt]

Interesting question (which I fully endorse), though if I had to guess, this is something we learn of in the Appendices to TTT . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Also adding some more questions that have occurred to me in the meantime:

1. You said a while back that many Nonmen roam the Three Seas in search of trauma. I assume, then, that many (if not all) are present within the Holy War. Anything to this?

2. A question about gunpowder. Did you ever contemplate this evolution in Earwan warfare? I have mixed feelings about this, though I'd rather not see the jump in quality. To some extent sorcery is a fitting substitute for gunpowder. So what is your thinking on the matter?

Thanks a lot! (Again . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->) view post


The agenda of the skin spies and the Consult posted 01 June 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;H&quot;:2182lhwo
I don't know that there is a meaning of predestination, or of rebirth though, just seems more a term of being the center, and the guiding force, of events.[/quote:2182lhwo]

Well, there is a great degree of predestination in the line of Anasurimbor. Things are very similar now to the situation at the time of the First Apocalypse, and I think we'll find those people could have some role to play in the story, whether they are reincarnated or adopt a more Seswatha-like approach.

Quote: &quot;H&quot;:2182lhwo
Interesting though, that Scott would use a term so similar in meaning to ta'veren in a sentance with "great wheel of great events." Scott has said he read WoT, maybe a little priming there? <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->[/quote:2182lhwo]

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Quote: &quot;Cain The Wicked&quot;:2182lhwo
I don't think that they'd be reincarnations, persay. Reaggregation may be the better word. Reincarnation implies an eventual awakening of the former soul, and a recognition of who and what you were before.[/quote:2182lhwo]

It depends whether the soul and the consciousness (specific set of memories) are inextricably tied together. It could be possible to reincarnate a soul without the memories. I'm not too clear on how this whole thing works, too little info on the subject. Still, Scott said that there are three paths for the soul: Oblivion = Death (but death of what? Unlikely it's the soul, more likely the personality/memories); Redemption = Life in the Outside (the soul retains the personality/memories; you live as an incorporeal entity, you don't lose the sentience you had in the physical world); and Damnation = more or less the same thing as redemption, but instead of a reward you get endless suffering.

If you reincarnate a soul without the memories, but with the inherent "gifts" of that soul, you get more or less what I was driving at, especially if you're then acting under divine protection and guidance.

That the consciousness is somehow connected to the soul is proved by a passage in TDtCB: In the scene where Inrau dies at the Synthese's hands we have the following (more or less, going from memory here): "He could see the scars (or burns?) where sorcery was used to bind the soul to the shell . . ."

Obviously the Synthese has his Inchoroi memories and abilities because the soul was bound to the bird-man shell. So what I ask is whether a sorcerer powerful enough could pluck out from the Outside one of these redeemed souls and bind them into some shell. It is theoretically possible, unless some god interferes, but as Kellhus would say, "any mystery can be killed, if you have the power . . ." <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

Some interesting speculations (though, for some reason, I don't think we'll see much of this in the books <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->). view post


The agenda of the skin spies and the Consult posted 01 June 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Tattooed Hand&quot;:2odhqxfq
As far as I remember, the Anasurimbor prophecy only says that an Anasurimbor will return again, but not what the Anasurimbor will do. That doesn't mean that an Anasurimbor will necessarily be the good guys, or the only one that can stop the Consult.[/quote:2odhqxfq]

Yes but do you really believe he will turn to the Consult, or that he will not in fact be a "savior"? Then, if he is a real prophet (whatever that implies) I can see him only improving, as far as his love of humanity goes.


Quote: &quot;Tattooed Hand&quot;:2odhqxfq
Besides, Celomas (name butchering here, I don't have my books and my memory is not as good as WL's) didn't do so hot against the Consult.[/quote:2odhqxfq]

Well, when I say the present is in many ways similar to the First Apocalypse I mean that in the First Apocalypse you had Celmomas and his son (both remarkable people) and it's clear that what was expected of them then is expected of Kellhus (and his father; or of Kellhus and his son?) today, just that something went wrong. If you will, you can consider Kellhus's role in the present as a sort of "second chance". (I don't doubt Celmomas and his son, after their death have been rewarded with life in the Outside, at least for trying, if not succeeding. Remember, before he dies, Celmomas "speaks" with his son, even if he is dead . . .).

In short, just as today it is entirely possible for Kellhus to win against the Consult it was possible for Celmomas, perhaps even more, since now the Consult has had 2000 more years of planning and preparation. Ultimately I think the clue to Celmomas's failure can be found in his own prophetic words. When he asks Seswatha's forgiveness, saying "I've been such a bitter old fool, and to you, old friend, have I been most unjust . . .", this implies that Celmomas didn't appreciate the importance of sorcery from the very beginning. I think both he and his son were of the Few, but that Celmomas didn't want to learn sorcery, or use it, while his son did. Seswatha probably taught Celmomas's son the Gnosis, and the son did something rash and died, hence the earlier estrangement of Celmomas and Seswatha.

There are very few details on the Ancient North in the books, but I guess we can say with some certainty that it was, at the time of the Apocalypse, a very divided place. I think the Schools of the North refused to help at first, so many important battles were lost needlessly. Remember Achamian's dream of the Fords of Tywanrae, where the Akksersian army loses huge numbers to Consult sorcerers because they had not one sorcerer of their own . . .

Quote: &quot;Tattooed Hand&quot;:2odhqxfq
But I wonder if this is an imprint of the dreams - all the torture Seswatha has undergone rendering any torture a Mandati undergoes less effective - or if there is an active princicple of Seswatha that actually intervenes at those moments. I think that the thing passing for Skeaos' reaction is indicative here, the thing actually seemed to see Seswatha in Akka. Why? And, if they are not sorcerous creatures, how?[/quote:2odhqxfq]

It could mean that a part of Seswatha is reincarnated in every Mandate Schoolman. There's mention in the books of Seswatha's "trace" within every Mandati . . . If I'm not mistaken somewhere Achamian says that Seswatha "reincarnated his memories in his disciples", so it could mean his memories never left the material world, and that the Heart is the link to his disembodied soul. So long as the link works, his memories are accessible to other Mandati, but so are his ideas, so is his will, (if he wants to give them, and which he can exert on others when he wants or needs to). In short, Seswatha truly is alive, but part of his being is in the one place that insures immortality, while the other is in Earwa. As to Skeaos, who knows . . . Many things are possible, it could be a gift of the Tekne, that he is attuned to recognize sorcerers in general, Seswatha in particular (or his disciples). After all, we know Seswatha had been captured by the Consult for some time, who knows what they did to him or had from him during this captivity. view post


Signs of PoN Addiction posted 02 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; ASigns of PoN Addiction by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Quinthane&quot;:2qovfb9o
Now, with this new arrival, the disease has gained a new host, more powerful and persuassive than any before it.[/quote:2qovfb9o]

Does this apply to me? <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Quote: &quot;Quinthane&quot;:2qovfb9o
1) Do you now drink wine from a bowl instead of a glass?[/quote:2qovfb9o]

I've never been partial to wine . . . but if I ever take to drinking it, it'll definitely be from a bowl . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Quote: &quot;Quinthane&quot;:2qovfb9o
2) Does never again having a good night's sleep seem like a steal for the Gnosis at twice the price?
[/quote:2qovfb9o]

I prefer the Psukhe, but since I can't blind myself until I get my hands on the two requisite serpents, I suffer greatly . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Quote: &quot;Quinthane&quot;:2qovfb9o
3) Are any of your pets now named Anasurimbor _______?
[/quote:2qovfb9o]

Not yet . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Quote: &quot;Quinthane&quot;:2qovfb9o
4) Have you ever said or thought "Knock it off, White Lord!" fearing that answering an abundance of questions is time spent not writing?
[/quote:2qovfb9o]

Sometimes, but I can't help myself . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Quote: &quot;Quinthane&quot;:2qovfb9o
10) Are you now eager for White Lord to start his own message board with a Q &amp; A thread so you can bone up?[/quote:2qovfb9o]

I don't know how well that would work . . . Unlike Scott I think I'd fold under the pressure . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Quote: &quot;Quinthane&quot;:2qovfb9o
14) Have you atempted using the Probability Trance to find the shortest path to TTT's pub date?
[/quote:2qovfb9o]

I always use the Trance, especially when I think up my questions, or cook up my theories . . . <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> view post


US Trade Paperback Cover posted 04 June 2005 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeUS Trade Paperback Cover by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Murrin&quot;:3qzieeay
When I saw that cover, the first word to enter my head was not 'striking' or 'mystical' or anything like that - it was 'tacky'.[/quote:3qzieeay]

As opposed to the non-tackiness of the one you seem to prefer? <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Oh well, as they say, de gustibus non est disputandum . . . view post


sranc posted 04 June 2005 in The Darkness That Comes Beforesranc by White Lord, Subdidact

Well, to my mind, the Sranc are nothing more than cannon fodder, and certainly not endowed with any supernatural power/origin. They are an artificial race, and if my guess is correct, they are the equivalent of Tolkien's orcs, in that, as the Orcs are derived from Elves, so are the Sranc derived from Nonmen twisted by the Tekne (Inchoroi/Consult fleshcraft). view post


US Trade Paperback Cover posted 05 June 2005 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeUS Trade Paperback Cover by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Murrin&quot;:2tx5vr0i
Heh, IMO yeah, but everyone has their own taste. I just tend to think the people who pick british book covers have more of it than most. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->[/quote:2tx5vr0i]

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Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't much care about the book covers. They are obviously the product of what the marketing people think will attract the most buyers in different markets, and as such have nothing to do with the book's quality. I have to say, though, that the French cover is atrocious and I don't know how it's to promote book sales . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Which works of literature inspired you? posted 06 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AWhich works of literature inspired you? by White Lord, Subdidact

I don't know if you've already read [url=http&#58;//www&#46;fantasybookspot&#46;com/?q=node/view/173:3gqju289]this interview[/url:3gqju289], but if you do you'll get at least a partial answer to your question. view post


A few questions . . . posted 06 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:wtvzgods
Nonmen don't tend to survive long in the South. Remember, the Tusk calls for their extermination as well.[/quote:wtvzgods]

Well, actually, I didn't know any such thing until now <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->, but I've had some suspicions that the Inchoroi may have been, to some extent, the authors of the Tusk, so this injunction would not surprise me. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Signs of PoN Addiction posted 06 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; ASigns of PoN Addiction by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:321w8j2b
Never, ever, to his face. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->[/quote:321w8j2b]

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A few questions . . . posted 07 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:1ndb9z0y
A question about gunpowder. Did you ever contemplate this evolution in Earwan warfare? I have mixed feelings about this, though I'd rather not see the jump in quality. To some extent sorcery is a fitting substitute for gunpowder. So what is your thinking on the matter?


Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->[/quote:1ndb9z0y]

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Here's a question: Does Dunyain neuropuncture have some more advanced applications -- ('cause I have some ideas . . . <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->) -- than we've seen in the books thus far? Any needle-wielding Dunyain in the books' future? <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Thanks! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Oh,Mother! Said Oedipus at Cholonae posted 07 June 2005 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeOh,Mother! Said Oedipus at Cholonae by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Deerow&quot;:brmitr5w
Indeed...one thing I wonder is if Xerius' mother favors Conphas, why not move to secure Conphas as the reigning emporer? She did the same to secure the position for Xerius' III did she not?[/quote:brmitr5w]

Yes she did, but there's some doubt whether the Empress Mother is truly human or has been replaced by a skin-spy. If she's a skin-spy, then the agenda changes . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Kellhus, Achamiam, and Emotion posted 07 June 2005 in The Warrior ProphetKellhus, Achamiam, and Emotion by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Ka'tar&quot;:3u5dunjv
Did anyone else read the book and think "Geez, it is getting harder to swallow that every person he meets is a complete moron in comparison"?[/quote:3u5dunjv]

Well, if you have read both books, something must have escaped you, if you think Kellhus's superior talents are "unexplained".

It's been stated throughout that the Dunyain are the result of a 2000-year-old experiment in selective breeding; and eugenetics, when ruthlessly and relentlessly applied, will give you both incredible intellectual and physical superiority as opposed to "normal" humans.

It's when the "little" details slip through the cracks, that people do themselves the disservice of undervaluing or misinterpreting a book. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The Afterlife posted 08 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe Afterlife by White Lord, Subdidact

You should check [url=http&#58;//www&#46;forum&#46;three-seas&#46;com/viewtopic&#46;php?t=568:3mzseou7]this post[/url:3mzseou7] out. view post


Chorae issues posted 09 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AChorae issues by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;AleoMagus&quot;:1m24lqbt
but again, nullify how?[/quote:1m24lqbt]

Chorae affect, i.e. unravel, the sorcerous cants that are the cause of, say, a fireball or lightning or any other offensive spell. They wouldn't be able to unravel natural fire or lightning, and sorcerous fire is definitely not natural. This is what happens when you use sorcery directly against a Chorae wielder. If you use it, as you say, to start a chain of events, then Chorae are no use at all.

But then again, you should already know this, as it's been shown several times in the books. Chorae do not offer total immunity; if a sorcerer knows how to start these chains of events, he'll be able to harm a Chorae wielder. One of many examples in the books is the scenes after Achamian escapes from the Scarlet Spires in Iothiah. He kills Mamaradda, the Javreh captain by hurling the coals of a brazier against him, later he collapses an entire floor on the heads of Chorae-wielding Javreh. This is all an example of how a sorcerer can make use of natural objects to defeat the Aporetic cants of the Chorae.

Another point I should make is the distinctiveness of natural fire, say, and its consequences, from sorcerous fire. If you use sorcery to create fire out of nothing then Chorae can defeat all the secondary effects of this fire. If, OTOH, you find natural fire, and use sorcery to magnify it, or manipulate it in any other way, then you can do damage. The same if you encounter, say, the precursors of a tempest and then use sorcery to develop it into a full-blown storm with attendant lightnings and other destructive results . . . view post


Holy war: the ultimate blasphemy posted 09 June 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionHoly war: the ultimate blasphemy by White Lord, Subdidact

Just a quick comment.

While I think war shouldn't always be the first and only solution to the problems that arise when any two or more human groups compete for something, I find those who believe war can be totally eliminated from the stage of human endeavor either incredibly naive or plain stupid! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> As you know, you have to let the steam out at times, if not you risk the explosion that no one really wants.

I'm sure I'll add some more comments. I'm waiting to be lynched in the meantime . . . <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


lost transcript from DTCB recovered posted 10 June 2005 in Off-Topic Discussionlost transcript from DTCB recovered by White Lord, Subdidact

You should post more of this . . . <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> view post


Chorae issues posted 10 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AChorae issues by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Entropic_existence&quot;:2y7r6wq5
I knew White Lord would come to my rescue with a far better explanation of it than I could, thanks WL![/quote:2y7r6wq5]

No problem . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Concerning the Few posted 10 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AConcerning the Few by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Esmi&quot;:thoto286
1. If a person is one of the few and has children then what are the odds of their children being one of the few?[/quote:thoto286]

Sorcery has a genetic basis. Inheritance from parent to offspring is much higher among Nonmen than among Men. Since the Nonmen sorcerers are a caste, and they have no religious proscriptions against sorcery, I suspect this higher yield is connected with some judicious application of selective breeding.

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2. If a person was one of the few but didn't even know it and knew no sorcery would they die from touching a chorae? (I can't help but picture a nobleman letting his baby son play with a chorae only to have him incinerated <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> )[/quote:thoto286]

No. You have to speak a sorcerous Cant, and gain the Mark of sorcery. Only then can Chorae harm you. There are some incantations and cyphers you can speak and still be immune to Chorae, but they are almost useless.

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3. How many chorae are in existence and more importantly who has many of them?[/quote:thoto286]

Chorae number in the tens of thousands, and I guess the Consult has the most.

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4. When a sorcorer is described as "seeing" the Mark of sorcery what does it look like to them?[/quote:thoto286]

This hasn't been shown in any detail yet. view post


A few questions . . . posted 10 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AA few questions . . . by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Super Frog&quot;:2gaxu60f
Or maybe people who accidently stumbled into Isuhael and had to be dealt with (and why not do so productively)?[/quote:2gaxu60f]

I think this is the most likely answer. Actually, I believe Scott has already answered this in some other thread, but I can't seem to find it.

Anyway, the issue has come up in another discussion thread, so I'd appreciate any confirmation on this! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Xinemus and the Cishaurim posted 10 June 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtXinemus and the Cishaurim by White Lord, Subdidact

Interesting post, Fell. I'm always on the hunt for details from the books that point in the direction of some real-life religious, occult or whatever school of thought.

On the Cishaurim, yes. Achamian says that some think the Cishaurim's blindness is essential to their practice of the Psukhe. He also says that all humans have many eyes, "some of which never breach the skin", so your guess about the pineal gland may well be right . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Xinemus and the Cishaurim posted 10 June 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtXinemus and the Cishaurim by White Lord, Subdidact

On a side note, it's been remarked many times in the books how similar Zin and Achamian are. As similar as twins (both physically and somewhat in character). Now I don't know about you, but this is very suspicious to me. There could actually be some real blood tie between them. Zin could also be one of the Few. Also suspicious is Zin's attachment to Achamian. He despises sorcery but can't help being a sorcerer's friend and asking him questions . . .

Would be interested in hearing people's opinions on this . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


As a husband and father... posted 10 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AAs a husband and father... by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Fell&quot;:33g12lnf
I don't mean to come off as an asshole, but really… take a look around the world. Nothing Scott can place on page (no offense to his talent as a writer) could ever bring the atrocities of our race to succumb in humility.[/quote:33g12lnf]

This mirrors my thinking perfectly. Nothing should stop us from despising war and destruction, but ultimately, there's nothing anyone will ever be able to do about it. Humanity sans war is a utopia, and somehow eliminating the drive towards competition and warfare from humans would transform them into something that could not even be called human anymore. I would also submit to you all that our present state of society is mainly due to very devastating wars that have influenced the development of civilian life, of customs and most importantly of technology. Many things we all take for granted would be impossible without the drive to innovate and compete brought about by bloody conflicts.

A lot of rambling, but I'd really like to know what your opinion is on the possibility of eradicating violence from human societies, and how desirable the consequences of that would be . . . view post


As a husband and father... posted 10 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AAs a husband and father... by White Lord, Subdidact

Thanks for the link! I'll check it out . . . view post


Advice that works for incredibly successful authors! posted 10 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AAdvice that works for incredibly successful authors! by White Lord, Subdidact

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You know, you're probably 100% right . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

My advice to you: be an editor. You'll probably go far . . . <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Nonmen who and what are they? posted 14 June 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNonmen who and what are they? by White Lord, Subdidact

The Nonmen (Cunuroi) are the original (oldest) race of Earwa.

Their history goes back more than 15 thousand years. They held one of the races of Man (the Emwama of the Tusk) enslaved for a long time. They also fought a number of wars against the Inchoroi, a race of aliens.

In the course of these wars they were victims of Inchoroi bioscience. At some point they became barren (hence their adoption of Men as their "children"). After the overthrow of the Inchoroi they started suffering from the effects of the artificial immortality the Inchoroi had given them (in the form of forgetfulness of the "tamer" emotions/memories).

They started feasting on negative emotions, which were the easiest to remember. This is why one of their number (Mekeritrig) revealed the location of the Inchoroi stronghold of Golgotterath to what would become the Consult. (Mekeritrig is the Nonman who fought against Kellhus.)

There are some posts by Scott on the Nonmen in the Q&amp;A section. You should check those out as well. view post


High Ainon posted 14 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AHigh Ainon by White Lord, Subdidact

Well, I noticed it too. I believe the Consult could be the "source", but I'm not really sure.

Let's see what Scott can tell us about it . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


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