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shadow9d9 Candidate | joined 20 October 2006 | 16 posts


Question for Mr. Bakker. posted 20 October 2006 in Author Q & AQuestion for Mr. Bakker. by shadow9d9, Candidate

I just finished The Darkness That Came Before. It is now tied with another as my favorite 2 books of all time. The next 2 books are being shipped to me in the mail as we speak. Amazing writing, intelligent, thought provoking, etc. It was unique in that the book started out great and kept getting better and better.

I prefer to avoid forums such as these because I get super irritated about coming upon a possible spoiler, but I couldn't resist asking this question.

My only criticism about the book was in the last 25 pages or so, in which I felt little happened... however, the one scene that bothered me was the scene in which Esmenet stood as Achamian came back to the camp and he walked right past her. I felt it was sort of a copout that she ran away when he walked by her.

I feel this way because
1. I believe she looked different from from the months at camp with essentially royalty.(she lost weight I think?)
2. It is very reasonable that in an area with tens of thousands+ of people, that it is very easy to overlook someone, even one that you intimately know.
3. She didn't even give him a chance by simply saying "hello", so that he could hear her voice!

I assume that the reason for this is because you wished to use her in the subsequent stories and you did not want them to reconvene their relationship. While I understand this, it just seems out of character and a little bit of a stretch. A little bit forced as well.

Of course, this is an extremely minor complaint, but one that I was wondering if you'd comment on nonetheless(without spoilers!).

I will be spreading the word of the book to all I know. I am absolutely thrilled that there is another top notch author out there.. and a young one at that!

Truly brilliant work. view post


Question for Mr. Bakker. posted 21 October 2006 in Author Q & AQuestion for Mr. Bakker. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Quote: "Warrior-Poet":1k1lpook
Im pretty sure the reason he walked straight past her was linked directly to the fact that he had just seen a Skin Spy and was so deep in thought he didnt notice anything around him. This the only conclusion that can be made Im almost positive there was noone else around and this is explained somewhat in the later books enjoy reading.[/quote:1k1lpook]

I know why he did it.. he was just getting back from the dungeon with the consult spy and was deep in thought... I'm saying it didn't make sense from her point of view.. she never even said hello! She just made a ridiculously quick and illogical judgment and ran, which I felt was the copout.. Bakker obviously didn't want them to reconnect then... It was the only part of the book that felt forced and not logical. view post


Question for Mr. Bakker. posted 23 October 2006 in Author Q & AQuestion for Mr. Bakker. by shadow9d9, Candidate

I understand what you guys are saying. And it is semi-reasonable, but I just didn't feel that it was normal not to say hello to someone before running away. It just felt a little too forced as a scene to me.

I am just super critical of the things I love.. just felt like an off scene to me. view post


Question for Mr. Bakker. posted 27 October 2006 in Author Q & AQuestion for Mr. Bakker. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Quote: "Mahajanga Mordecai":2qlc3ycn
I felt the exact same way when I read it oh so many moons ago. But it serves it's purpose. And not just for the storyline but for her personal development. Consider it a growing pain... for both of you.[/quote:2qlc3ycn]

That is what I assumed : ). The next 2 books are on my shelves ready to be read as soon as I fix my neck problems.. have a herniated disc from a car accident.. I find I enjoy books much more without headaches/dizziness... oy! view post


Ok so I feel like ive read every good author in existence. posted 03 January 2007 in Literature DiscussionOk so I feel like ive read every good author in existence. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Quote: "dillinisgood":2el9ofr1
Ive noticed some of you guys know a ton of good authors so i pose the question; who am I missing out on?

Ive read:
Feist, Martin, Jordan, Keyes, Bakker, Jim Butcher, Donaldson, Paul Kearney, Tad Williams, Kings Dark Tower, Tolkien, Hobb, Eldon Thompson, Farland.

Are there any uncharted waters left for me? Please help.[/quote:2el9ofr1]

Try Bujold's Vorkosigan series. view post


Ok, finally done! Trilogy review. posted 14 January 2007 in ReviewsOk, finally done! Trilogy review. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Quick review of all three books.

Book 1. Slow, but interesting start. It continued to build up to a satisfying climax, however I felt the last 30 pages were non-essential and kinda dragged. Great characters, perfect mix of philosophy without dragging down the flow.

Book 2. Starts off a little too slow. Nothing much happens for the first 100 pages. Picks up nicely afterwards and continues to build up until the very last page. Favorite book in the series. Great twists, story, characters. Again, good mix of philosophy/introspection without hammering the pace.

Book 3. Starts off absurdly slow. I felt nothing much of interest happens for the first 200 pages with a handful of exceptions. WAY too much philosophical introspection which completely bogs down the pace. Much of this had been dealt with over and over(Achamian's feelings for Esmenet). After page 200, the book picks up nicely, with an amazing final 110 pages. Very interesting and complex ending(As long as the series continues!). The final battle was a tad confusing, but perhaps it is my lack of reading skills that made it confusing.

Note: It is OK to write a 250 page perfectly paced book rather than a 400 page stretched one!

I got the feeling that it took a little while in the 2nd and third book for Bakker to find his groove. However, once he found it, he did spectacularly. I hope the next duology/trilogy continues this story. It better!

Also, in case it sounds like I dwelled on the negative, I wanted to add the following: This trilogy is tied as my favorite series/books. I loved the characters/depth/interesting philosophy(up until the overdone third book introspections/analyzations). The trilogy had anAmazing, complex, intriguing, well thought out story and I EAGERLY await Bakker's next books!. view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Did Kellhus fear that Moenghus would have succumbed to lust for power? Is that why he felt his plight against the consult was ill sought? If this was the case, why does Kellhus not kill Maithanet, who shared the same goal as his father?

Why does Kellhus not work together with his father? Surely they could help each other...

Moenghus talks about hos Ishual/dunyain's philosophies are similar to the Consult. Kellhus seems to me to have similar goals to the Consult. Is this another reason why the 2 skin spies go to kill Moenghus at the end?

Does the end imply that the second apocalypse is the coming of Kellhus as the new aspect emperor, ruling old thoughts "dead"?

Is it possible that the ending is implying that by training Kellhus, Achamian could have accidentally given the harbinger of evil this power, instead of the prophet he thought him to be? view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Real answers only please. view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Ok one more question. If Maithanet could see skin spies... why did Inrau get killed by the Consult within Maithanet's midst? view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Quote: "Lucky Sevens":3041hy4w
It's not so much that the goal was his father's death, although he began his journey being sent for that purpose. The Thousandfold Thought itself seems to be a modified version of the probability trance, and Kellhus mastered it much better than his father did. Through this, Kellhus has predicted all (or at least most) possible chains of events. The ones where his father was allowed to live all ended badly (i.e. the end of the world). The most likely of these chains was where his father, finally understanding the state of his own damnation due to his acts of sin driven by amorality, joins the Consult in their goal of sealing off the world from the Outside. By killing him, he prevented this.

I recommend you read the books again. Your questions show some fundamental misunderstandings about several important points:

1) Lust for power was never an issue.
2) They could in theory help each other, but they wouldn't. Kellhus has gained the ability to believe; his father is utterly logic-bound, and heading in the same direction as the Consult.
3) Kellhus was the one who compared the Dunyain and the Consult.
4) Kellhus' goals are diametrically opposed to the Consult's.
5) His becoming the Aspect-Emperor is not directly related to the Second Apocalypse.
6) Kellhus is/was a harbinger of the Second Apocalypse. A harbinger is a person or thing that announces the coming of something. It does not imply he supports evil.[/quote:3041hy4w]

I believe that Kellhus was indeed too certain of himself, thinking himself a god. IMO. view post


Ok, finally done! Trilogy review. posted 31 January 2007 in ReviewsOk, finally done! Trilogy review. by shadow9d9, Candidate

: ). Can't wait to the followup.. What happens with the consult!? view post


Ok so I feel like ive read every good author in existence. posted 17 February 2007 in Literature DiscussionOk so I feel like ive read every good author in existence. by shadow9d9, Candidate

I second Guy Gavriel Kay, but I say to skip to his first standalone book, Tigana. His first work, the trilogy, got reviewed as being a relatively sloppy first work. view post


Neuropath out in May 2008 posted 02 July 2007 in Author Q & ANeuropath out in May 2008 by shadow9d9, Candidate

I am curious as to why it has taken 2 years.. hope all is well. view post


My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 21 July 2008 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by shadow9d9, Candidate

Prince of Nothing is my favorite books series. As a U.S. resident, I imported Neuropath from the U.K. Unfortunately, it was a bit of a let down.
SPOILERS

The main problem I found with the book was that unlike in PON, where Bakker treads a fine line between philosphy and story, in Neuropath I felt the plot was weakened by too much philosphy/psychology/neuroscience exposition. I wished more time was spent on the characters/story than endless exposition. It was certainly interesting for the first half of the book, but by the second half the exposition wore on me. It took over the book imo. The story ended up suffering, as did my patience.

As a science book, I would highly recommend it. Fascinating stuff. I just felt that the plot ended up taking a back seat to the story rather than complementing it as it did in the PON.

Just one note on the ending... The chiropractor was interesting, but I felt that Thomas and his family didn't have much of an ending. What did they take away from the experience? How will they deal with the consequences? What was Neil's true purpose at the end? It just wasn't satisfying to me.

Hopefully this is just a bump in the road and his future books will not turn into such lectures, and will go back to story as a main purpose. I had very high expectations and ended up being let down. view post


My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 25 July 2008 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by shadow9d9, Candidate

Quote: "Veilside":4hsncjsm
Quote: "shadow9d9":4hsncjsm

Just one note on the ending... The chiropractor was interesting, but I felt that Thomas and his family didn't have much of an ending. What did they take away from the experience? How will they deal with the consequences? What was Neil's true purpose at the end? It just wasn't satisfying to me.
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From what I understood of the ending, and I don't have the book on me so can't confirm my suspicion right now I thought that Thomas had been turned into a "Neuronaut", his son had that fear thing going on and the daughters love center had been messed with. The wife just has to recover from serious mental torture.[/quote:4hsncjsm]


I'm not sure I understand your response. I don't know what a "Neuronaut" is... I know what happened to them all.. It just had no consequences as far as the story goes. You have no idea how they will cope or what they took away from the experience... we don't really know what Neil was trying to accomplish besides trying to sway Thomas towards his side... It was complete unsatisfying and felt like it was attempting shock value, but was very unfulfilling. view post


My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 04 August 2008 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by shadow9d9, Candidate

Quote: "Callan S.":1aoxsg14
Neil refers to himself as a neuronaut - just the once though, so it's easy to miss.

As for the ending - well, some people were annoyed with the Trueman show, that they didn't show him hooking up with the love interest in the real world (though it was pretty obvious they would). Are you like that - you want the ends to be wrapped up, rather than imagined?

Personally I think both the Trueman show and Neuropath end on a question - "What would YOU do at that point?". There's more than just watching the author do his thing and finish - I think it's an interesting question where would you go with the story if you were stuck in that position?[/quote:1aoxsg14]

I really don't think the 2 are comparable... Truman show's ending was fine. Neuropath just seemed to take the cheap and easy way out. Prince of Nothing's ending was perfect imo(and far from wrapped things up), so it was a bit of a disappointment.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. It was my most minor point. The main point was that science exposition took up way too much of the book, and put the plot on the backburner way too many times. While it was interesting at times, at others, it just felt like he wanted to just rant a bit more. view post


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