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Question about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* posted 13 October 2006 in Author Q & AQuestion about the ending of TWP *Spoiler Warning* by Alpha Crow, Candidate

This part has me losing sleep!

It says he reached into his own chest, but had Serwe's heart a second later. I'm thinking, ok this means he is either tricking the bystanders or is showing Serwe's heart in some meaningful way that I'm not catching on and that is not supposed to be tricky.

Yet in TTT, Eleazaras (Scarlet Spires headmaster) talks about watching Kellhus "reach into his chest and pull out his f#@$ing heart".

So apparently it was not a simple showing off of Serwe's heart in some open way that we don't get. Guessing that he doesn't make mistakes, then he did it as an illusion.

The weird way it is initially written, he reaches into his chest and firmly grasps his heart? Firmly? To rip it out? Because her heart is slippery? His chest?

For a bit I thought it was all just some sort of dream sequence or something deeper such as he loved Serwe so her heart was his, perhaps... until I ran across the comment by Eleazaras.

I see Mr. Bakker's reply doesn't clear it up much, though I think he's saying it IS Serwe's heart, but doesnt' say if it is supposed to be a trick.

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Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 13 October 2006 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

For the longest I thought perhaps it was a wily trick Kellhus was using to help his image, something he figured out or knew how to cause.
It really came to my attention when Achamian was staring at them.

Then in TTT, Kellhus didn't understand them himself, so it reasons that he is not causing it purposely and really IS the prophet (which things tend to suggest).

Anyone able to throw some light on the subject?

Thanks!
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Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 13 October 2006 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Happen to remember the title to help the search?

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Halos about Kellhus' hands? posted 13 October 2006 in Author Q &amp; AHalos about Kellhus' hands? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Oh, disregard <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Found it under &quot;glowing hands&quot;

Yet, still no answer! Maybe Mr. Bakker is wily enough to realize the only way to make an intellectual (or would-be) happy is to NOT show them the answer. Then they joyously begin with postulates and theories, followed by all the arguments, research and cross referencing... and sleepless nights. view post


No-God's questions posted 27 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Alpha Crow, Candidate

I have to ask, what do you all think about the questions the No-God asked in all the dreams? (i.e. &quot;What do you see?&quot;) Really intrigues me.

Have to say, Mr. Bakker definitely knows how to add mystery to a story. Too many authors make their enemy simply powerful and evil with no reason or issues. The PoN series definitely leaves you questioning &quot;what does it mean?&quot; about a whole lot and leaves it to your imagination to figure it out. Could there be a catch in there? A portent of the future? Pattern? Reason? Weakness?

After reading Heroes Die and Blade of Tyshalle (both awesome), I'm glad amazon.com pointed me to the books. My new favorites! view post


a follow on to prince of nothing? posted 05 February 2007 in Author Q &amp; Aa follow on to prince of nothing? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Yeah, the dream sequence is particularly awesome. I love the &quot;What do you see&quot; &quot;I must know&quot; part, shows the hunger of the No-God. Curious as to what he really is view post


No-God's questions posted 05 February 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Two thoughts:
1) Didn't it say somewhere that the womb-plague was a virus or such?

2) Achamian notices the halos on Kellhus' hands in passing at one point and I think he's already disillusioned with him. I think the halos are real for whatever reason.

I'm still curious what exactly IS the thousandfold thought. And... what exactly happened to Kellhus' while he was circumfixed in the tree. Ripped out Serwe's heart? Came back and suddenly had haloed hands?

I think a lot of the story hinges on that particular sequence, but it is purposefully left in the dark. Kell's only plan to get down actually was in motion, but it wasn't what got him down. Yet he had revelations while in the tree that changed his planning and apparently, human status.

Did he just die on the cross and come back to the world? (so to speak) view post


Who was Kellus talking to? posted 05 February 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWho was Kellus talking to? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Doesn't he tell Moenghus that the No-God speaks to him? I don't think he meant just the dreams, though it is possible with the last one changing.. view post


No-God's questions posted 07 February 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Alpha Crow, Candidate

I feel, intuitively I should say, there is something to the circumfix sequence. That his plan to get down was not what brought about him getting down, seems oddly important. That his plans are being superseded by his holy status and larger, divine plans, perhaps?

That being said, it seems odd that he planned and did rip out Serwe's heart just for such purposes. I'm sure everyone is as thirsty for the real answer. I would say it was physically impossible for him to do so with his bare hands, but he apparently has done similar while fighting.

Question: I'm under the impression the thousandfold thought is not for religious purposes, but the next or last step in the dunyain training. Moenghus certainly did not want to save mankind. In fact, it was implied that he wished to close off mankind to the Outside to save himself and the dunyain from hell. That part could just be fanaticism talking, also...
What do you think the basic idea of the thought is? I think it may be a super version of the probability trance. view post


No-God's questions posted 08 February 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Alpha Crow, Candidate

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The Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? posted 16 February 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Interesting, just reading over some comments I noticed the pattern about the dunyain trying to create the self-moving soul. Forgot about that.
A self moving soul would seem to literally be a soul without God or Outside. It could be implied to be the opposite, but doubtful given the contexts.

Also, I don't think the dunyain were anything but some group of monks when they found the citadel in the north. Iirc the consult makes some comment to that effect, something like &quot;THAT group of whacked out nutjobs?!&quot; (ok, heavily paraphrasing <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> ), when he learns who/what the dunyain are.

That and the original comment about &quot;why should you fear us?&quot;. I think they were just an idealist group. Kind of a pacifist group then, perhaps. Now... um... only the quickest of their children are allowed to live, apparently.

So... yeah... Kellhus for president, 08! view post


Now Reading... posted 16 February 2007 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow Reading... by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Litany of the Long Sun - Gene Wolfe (Last 10 pages!) view post


Review of Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman posted 23 February 2007 in ReviewsReview of Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman by Alpha Crow, Candidate

I liked it a lot. Novel ideas and concepts and all painted in a monomythical style. Very fun to read and memorable. view post


The Sagas as Foreshadowing? posted 05 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Sagas as Foreshadowing? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Very sharp! Nicely thought out.

The only thing I can think of for devil's advocate is that Kellhus does know the apocalypse is coming and is trying to unite humanity against it.

One thing that does stand out to me is that the author is hiding something behind Kellhus' not coming clean with what the No-God and THE God say to him and what thinks the future really holds. Most of this came to a head when he was speaking to his father in the cave. Kell knows something more than he's telling. view post


The Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? posted 05 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Good points. A few others perhaps:

- All kings of the past claimed to be appointed and holy by God. It sort of reminds me of the catch 22 (good book) if you are crazy and say you are...

- I'm very sure that when that bird/man consult thing asked someone about the dunyain, he knew the OLD group of them. My thought is he knew of the pacifistic group that probably wandered the earth, telling of the end of the world and all that prior to finding the northern fastness.

- I wonder how well the dunyain could fight an army. Individually they are allegedly without equal. But I recall back to the germanians versus the romans. Now, dunyain could conceivably adapt to group fighting very, very quickly. But from some comments about Kellhus about needing to be taught about war and about reading a manual on how to use something...

- Do you think the part about not understanding war had some import? He learned it quickly (at least from the book's POV). Do you think that his lack of knowledge on it was important? Perhaps he learned it wrongly or only in certain kinds of battles? I doubt that was what the author intended. Perhaps the big hallubaloo was to show his quickness to learn, to make a need for Cnaiur, OR to show that the dunyain don't understand war, just individual combat...

Just some thoughts.

One thing that still gets me is that on their way to the end battle of TTT and WP, Kellhus does some amazing things. Most importantly he finds water, but at the time the book acts like it's completely normal the way he points it out, like he had some archaic knowledge of how to find it or just something he puzzled out or saw that nobody else did. But then at the end, he didn't even know (or so he claimed). I think a LOT of stuff is like that. I think he has a lot of hidden reasons and knowledge he keeps from others. At the end where he says both types of Gods speak to him, I think he meant more than what we've seen so far as readers. view post


The Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? posted 06 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Ok, I'll try to find it tomorrow, but when the consult bird-man is 'torturing' a man about who Kellhus is (I think the first instance of them trying to find info on him), he says dunyain from the north, and the consult bird-man makes a comment about &quot;that group of wandering doom-sayers?!&quot; (paraphrased, don't have it in front of me). He sounds surprised, as in at the turn of the last age they were pacifistic monks with perhaps an end-of-the-earth mindset, much like the beginning of the whole series. It's probably in WP, but I'd have to thumb through a lot to find it. Anyone have a fresh read that can help out?

I actually doubt the dunyain would do as well at fighting highly disciplined soldiers as others may think. They have no experience, and while they would easily adapt I'm sure, lack of experience is big AND their fighting style is individual and very mobile. It's hard to affect probabilities when you must occupy a very tight space in a line. I, again, imagine something like the barbaric germanians who were fierce fighters, but evenutally lost to the group efforts of the roman fighting style. view post


The Sagas as Foreshadowing? posted 06 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Sagas as Foreshadowing? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

(possibly Seswatha’s only son)

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Is that correct or meant Celmomas? view post


The Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? posted 07 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

Not sure you're reading me right. Discipline is necessary to fight in ranks, which is not a one sided coin. What ALSO is necessary is for you to STAY in your position. If you dodge out of the way of an incoming arrow, would it not fly into your friends behind you?

The dunyain fight with mobility, from what we've seen. Use numbers against them and if you can force them to fight in groups, you've defeated one of their big advantages.

I would guess the dunyain would fight skirmisher battles on small scales and work the enemy down.

A good example is Kellhus magical battle, where him remaining in one place was causing him to lose, whereas when he goes mobile... view post


The Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? posted 09 March 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Alpha Crow, Candidate

You're right... and I try not to get into the &quot;nuh uh, in REALITY they would ____.&quot; debates.


Going back to the main topic, I still wonder at how much we're not told during the Moe/Kell meeting. Or is it Kell/Moe... Kill/Mo'... Kill/More?!

Wait, never mind. Having read a lot of Gene Wolfe's books, I tend to try to look for all that's NOT said for the answer. Doesn't mean Bakker writes like that, perhaps. I think that Kell meant the No God speaks to him more often than those dreams he has sometimes. I wonder if it means he will go mad?

Refresh me, whose dreams was it that the No-God asked different questions or did something different than normal for the dreams sequence? view post


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