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Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 01 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

At the end of TTT, someting happened to Achamian to change the nature of Seswatha's dream. Instead of the being with Celmonas and hearing the words of the No-God, he instead is with Anaxophus who says the same words as the No God.

Interesting.

Any thoughts on what this means as far as the nature of the No-God is concerned? Were these High Kings somehow connected to Mog-Pharu through means unknowned. Is one of Seswatha's dreams in fact a lie? view post


Inchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... posted 01 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

After finishing TTT, one thing is obvious - for whatever reason the Inchoroi and sorcerers (at least some) have the same goal - to save themselves from being damned.


The evidence for this is in the glossary for TTT. Shaeonanra, the grandmaster of the defunct Mangaecca School discovered the means by which sorcers could save themselves. It doesn't mention exactly *what* he discovered, but if you put the pieces together, it's obvious that they discovered what the Inchoroi already knew - by killing all life, one could seal the the world from the Outside. Thus the Mangaecca have a common goal with the Inchoroi and subsequently fold themsevles into the Inchoroi fold, calling themselves The Consult.

Some questions. Where is Shaeonanra now? What is his place in The Consult? The glossary mentions that he never died, making him about 3,000 years old. view post


Inchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... posted 02 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: "anor277":1lzwtwqi

Achamian also mentioned him in the novel proper....[/quote:1lzwtwqi]

Do you remember where this was or which book? I'd like to reread that part. view post


Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 07 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: "Harrol":dgqeycd5
I can not answer all your questions but my thought is that Seswatha's dream changed in order to warn Akka rather than deceive. Akka went through to dramatic experiences with Seswatha. One being the time he was captive to the Scarlet Spire and the other when Kellhus hypnotized him in order to talk to Seswatha. I believe both these experiences opened up a more direct link between Akka and Seswatha.[/quote:dgqeycd5]

That begs the question - to warn Akka of what? What could be different about Anoxophus mirroring the words of the No God vs the original dream? Maybe Akka is seeing truth now? Maybe Seswatha's Heart is part of some eleborate ruse? I don't know, just throwing stuff out there.

And what do we make of Kellus's No-God dreams. After all, he never even touched Seswatha's Heart! Perhaps he somehow had indirect contact via the hypnotism you mentioned? view post


Inchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... posted 07 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

So does anyone know where Shaeonanra is mentioned? And if anyone has the link on the nature of damnation, that'd be sweet! view post


Inchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... posted 08 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Thanks White Lord, for both those posts! The second post with Scott's words was especially enlightening, specifically the bit about "certain acts" attracting the attention of outside agencies.

I guess one such act is the act of sorcery - we know certain kinds of socery (Daimos) *definitely* attracts unwanted attention. But it would seem *any* kind of sorcery results in damnation, though no mention is made of what happens to non-Daimotic sorcerers. What is the nature of their damnation?

This also begs the question of what the Inchoroi were doing to attract the attention of Outside agencies that would cause the Inchoroi people to want to seal themsevles away. view post


Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 08 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Evil? heh I question whether Bakker has any concept of good or evil (as we typically define them) in his stories. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 10 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:3euamoz5
I believe seswatha perceives Kellhus's weakness and that he is a susceptible to the no-god's influence and the fact that Kellhus listens to the no-god. Those things make him a possible instrument of the no-god more so that an ally of the consult.[/quote:3euamoz5]

Weakness? It seems to me that Kellus is one of the strongest characters in the series (mentally even moreso than physically). view post


Inchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... posted 10 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Cynical Cat&quot;:22kv5we7
To add to White Lord's comments, the Fanim believe that the Cisharum aren't damned, but holy. [/quote:22kv5we7]

Well the metaphysics of the Cishaurim is different from the other schools of sorcery...and I believe there was a mention of some questioning whether Cishaurim was actually sorcery at all. So perhaps the nature of the Pshuke protects its practitioners from getting that unwanted attention?



Sorcery is condemned by the Tusk, but it is a collection of religious documents written by men, although possibly be men with some understanding of Agencies of the Outside (or maybe not) and added two and commented on, not the least by Inrithas and Kelhus. Even previous to Kelhus, the condemnation of sorcery by the Tusk has been challenged by scholars in the Three Seas (In Defence of Sorcery is mentioned several times.)


I'd forgotten about the multiple mentions of &quot;In Defence of Sorcery&quot;. I'll need to review what was said in those passages. There's probably some key insights there...


Our view is somewhat coloured by having most of the books's viewpoint characters raised in a culture that believes all sorcery is abominable and taking place mostly among the Inrithi. Even Akka is tormented by his damnation. Only Kelhus is detatched from considerations (with the possible exception of Conphas <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> ).


IMO, most of the sorcerers don't seem tormented by damnation so much as resolved to it. It seems kind of a strange position to take. view post


Inchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... posted 12 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Cynical Cat&quot;:j2180b8w


Kelhus gives us our best explanation on why the Pshuke is different than other forms of sorcery. It is still sorcery, merely undistinguishable from the natural world. Most tellingly, it is still affected by chorae. The attitudes of the Cishaurim might score them some points with the Outside or they might not. We don't know. [/quote:j2180b8w]

I remember mention being made that Pshuke was more emotion-based than the Anagogic socery (logic based). Also, it didn't leave a &quot;mark&quot; and was invisible to the logic-based Anagogic schools. As you said though, chorae still affect them.

Hmmm...I think there's a clue there somewhere...if only we could figure it out. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Perhaps it has something to do with logic going against the &quot;natural flow&quot;?



As for the Mandate, they are the defenders of the world against extermination. They have not only power, but a higher purpose and their saying reflects that. Which, of course, leads to Akka's friend's speculation that they who sacrifice their very souls for the opportunity to defend the world and expect only damnation are the holiest of men.



Yes, this is exactly right. For the Mandate. However, I don't think it's true for the other schools. They're not serving a higher cause, though many still seem to feel condemned to damnation (see, Iyokus's conversation with the demon). view post


Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 12 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:1kbvseie
Yes but he has the whole sense of communicating with God. In doing that I believe he is actually openning himself up to be a conduit for the No-god. That is why I mentioned a weakness.[/quote:1kbvseie]

Hmm, is he communicating with (the)God? It did seem he was communicating with the No-God at one point....or that's what he thought. Perhaps there's a clue as to the nature of the No-God here? Kellhus grasps the Thousandfold Thought (what exactly is this anyway?) and seemingly opens himself up to the No-God at this point. There's a clue, but I'm missing it.... view post


Inchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... posted 13 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:usdlthuf


The demons (and arguably the Gods) are vulnerable to chorae (well at least Iyokus' demon on top of Shimeh sensed a chorae as an absence).


[/quote:usdlthuf]

I believe the Demons and Gods are one in the same -- they are all simply outside agencies. Whether something is a demon or a god simply depends on your perspective.
For example, the Fanim consider the Hundred Gods to all be Demons. view post


Is Kellus the No-God? End of TTT and being in the whirlwind. posted 14 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellus the No-God? End of TTT and being in the whirlwind. by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

The end of TTT has to make you wonder. Kellus in the whirlwind of debris (to protect himself from the chorae) sounds suspciously like our buddy the No-God and HIS whirlwind. Is the No God's Carapace in fact this swirling shower of debris?


Also at one point, Kellus reconsidered the solidity of the Principle of Before and After (at Mengedda, I believe). Could the Consult Tekne research (during the Investitures) in fact be Time Travel research? Were they somehow able to get Kellus to come back in time and through his great power and mastery of Gnosis cause the Apocolypse?

The question remains, what reason would he want this? Well Kellus accused his father of wanting to bring about the Apocolypse. Or more accurately, he said that his father would *have* to bring about the Apocolypse in order to master his circumstances. Now is Kellus stuck in the same trap as his father?

Food for thought... view post


Is Kellus the No-God? End of TTT and being in the whirlwind. posted 14 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellus the No-God? End of TTT and being in the whirlwind. by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

You bring up good points about inconsistencies, White Lord. I guess I was throwing those thoughts out there to see if anything would stick.

However, even given the inconsistencies you mentioned, I'm sure there's a connection somehow...I'm just missing it or as you said, it hasn't been fully revealed in this trilogy. Oh well. view post


Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 14 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:ugif8crm
Incu I do not fully grasp it either. I guess with the cumulutive series of events i.e. the Mog Pharu talking to Kellhus and Akka's dreams I have serious doubts about Kellhus now.[/quote:ugif8crm]

So do you think Moenghus was correct? Was Kellhus broken by his ordeal? He nearly died in TDTCB from exposure due to his inability to process everything. Being hung in the circumfix by his dead wife wasn't too easy either.

I personally don't think he's &quot;lost it&quot;, but I guess it's a possibility worth considering. view post


Why did Moenghus leave Ishual? posted 17 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhy did Moenghus leave Ishual? by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Was this ever explained? And if not, do you have any theories? view post


Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 17 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;vercint&quot;:68gobd0y
Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:68gobd0y

Broken by his ordeal, or tempered? The Dunyain are undeniably supermen, but I think most of us agree that they are a little bit less than human. Kellhus, with Dunyain training and human experience, could indeed be something more than either party. Certainly, in the short term, I see him as a more capable and a more just ruler than Shriah, emperor, or Scarlet Spires.[/quote:68gobd0y]

Certainly Kellhus becoming more human than the Dunyain is a good thing. The question is what he means when he says that he is 'more'. It could be as you say that he simply has come to acknowledge emotions and values do exist and do mean something. This would make him a far better ruler than any world-born man.

On the other hand it could be that he has come to believe that the lies he has told in order to become Aspect-Emperor are true. If he genuinely believes that he is the Harbringer and chosen by the God and that he cannot do wrong, then you can imagine how he might cease to be a good ruler.[/quote:68gobd0y]


He believes what the Mandate Schoolmen believe, he hears the No God, and he sees the halos about his hands. He thinks he's the Harbringer.

Now whether that makes him a better ruler remains to be seen. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Why did Moenghus leave Ishual? posted 18 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhy did Moenghus leave Ishual? by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:8fytiuwz
Quote: &quot;Incu-Pacifico&quot;:8fytiuwz
Was this ever explained? And if not, do you have any theories?[/quote:8fytiuwz]

It was briefly explained in the first novel (or the second?). A pack of Sranc blundered into Ishual, were dealt with, and Moenghus was despatched to gain intelligence on Sranc incursions. When he returned he was judged to be contaminated (a visit to Atrithau perhaps?), and was banished from Ishual. Moenghus then turns up in the hands of the Scylvendi, who apparently rescued him from slavery at the hands of the Sranc.[/quote:8fytiuwz]

Thank you anor. I remember reading something about this, and I looked through the books briefly and couldn't find the right passages. Then I began to wonder if I hallcinated my memory (hey, it happens! ).

Thanks for confirming that I'm not insane. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 18 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

There are a couple of hints that Kellus isn't quite your typical Dunyain. I remember the scene in &quot;The Darkness That Comes Before&quot; where he sits staring at nature all day long, marveled by it's beauty. Either that's an early slip-up by Bakker, or it's a hint that Kellus isn't quite as robotic as his Dunyain brethren. Perhaps he was &quot;corrupted&quot; before he even left Ishual. view post


Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 18 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:6mzcax7p
It will be interesting to see in the answers in AE. Scott is such a master of with holding conclusive information.[/quote:6mzcax7p]

Translation: Scott is an evil bastard. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> view post


Anoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... posted 20 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnoxophus, Celmonas II and the nature of the No-God.... by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:5gf2jxp9
Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:5gf2jxp9
By telling his Father that he is the Harbringer and speaks to a higher being shows that he certainly believes he is aprophet of some sort because telling his father that as a lie would serve Kellhus no purpose.[/quote:5gf2jxp9]

...You may be right; then again Kellhus may think he is that higher being, greater than the Dunyain, greater than any sorceror (like that old joke, &quot;I must be a God, because when I was praying, I realized that I was talking to myself&quot;). Anyway as harbinger, self-perceived or otherwise, he has his work cut out.[/quote:5gf2jxp9]


He believes he's the Harbringer and Bakker provides a few clues. Kellus sees the halos about his hands. This was something that until that moment was only revealed from the viewpoints of other characters. When this was mentioned from their viewpoints, I thought these were fake visions caused by their idolation of Kellus. There was no indication that Kellus actually saw these himself or that these were real until his dialogue with Moe. Also, Moe knew nothing about the haloes and so Kellus had nothing to gain by lying to him about them....and I doubt lying would work anyway.

Also, his use of words like &quot;wicked&quot; when describing the Consult is meaningless in normal Dunyain discourse (as revealed explicitly by Moe). Yes he may have been trying to throw his father for a loop, but I think Bakker would have mentioned this. I also believe a Dunyain would use far subtler techniques to fool another Dunyain. view post


Thoughts on Kellhus uniting Schools posted 20 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThoughts on Kellhus uniting Schools by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:1jx2t6gu
With the Schools weakened greatly what are your ideas about whats next for them. I personally think that Kellhus will unite the Schools into one Super School. Not only does Kellhus have enough power to do this he also has good reason to do it, by uniting the Schools animosity and war between Schools would cease to exist and help focus on a common enemy(The Consult).[/quote:1jx2t6gu]

Really, only the Red Spires were weakened. The other schools weren't really affected by the Holy War since they didn't commit anything to it.

Regardless unification is definitely possible and would make sense depending on how Kellus approaches battling the Consult. However Bakker hasn't given any hints that this will happen. view post


No-God's questions posted 29 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:2x8v2dxs
I think the lack of awareness is a good possibility but it seems a little to simple for Bakkers ideas, I feel as though their needs to be something deeper.[/quote:2x8v2dxs]

The No God is most definitely self aware. However, beyond that, we know nothing. Here are some of the clues:

a) He repeats the words of Anaxophus in Akka's modified dreams. Of course, we're left wondering if the original dreams were true or if the new dreams are a lie

b) His words are repeated by the Sranc in unison.

c) WHAT AM I? WHAT DO YOU SEE? This is a confused and blind creature, but NOT a creature who is not self aware. He *is* self aware.


So what can we conclude based on these clues? Not much. The No God is somehow connected to the Sranc and possibly even to mankind (e.g. Anaxophus), but completely unware of what he is or even able to see (which caused many readers to incorrectly conclude that he isn't self aware). He is the ultimate creation of the Inchoroi, but his exact nature isn't explained yet. He's definitely one of Bakker's more interesting enigmas.


Edit: Changed Celmonas reference to Anaxophus. Doh! view post


No-God's questions posted 30 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

I am not sure which part of the books you are refering to here. Celmonas only appears in one scene towards the start of Prince of Nothing.


Doh! You're right. I meant to say Anaxophus. I have no idea what Celmonas popped into my head. Change has been made. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


No-God's questions posted 30 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Murrin&quot;:24019yqo


Myself, I think the No-God may have been some element of the Outside that the Consult trapped in the World, sealed within the Carapace. If the thing that became the No-God (that becomes the No-God when this is done to it) was not of the World, it would have difficulty understanding the World if it suddenly found itself trapped there.[/quote:24019yqo]

Maybe. But what about our face changing friends? What about the Sranc? They seem to posses some means of self-awareness. Or perhaps they are machines pretending at self awareness because that's what they were programmed to do. Do they have souls? The book leaves this open. Perhaps they posses some trapped elements of the Outside as you suggest the No-God does. view post


No-God's questions posted 01 November 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Will&quot;:3e261acs
Several times in the books Sarcellus is described as a well trained animal. What passes for thoughts pass through what passes for its soul, etc. It seems that creations of the Tekne are as self-aware as your dog, just far better trained. It lacks the complexity of a human mind, being entirely concerned with achieving climax, which it can do only at the bidding of its masters..[/quote:3e261acs]

The book suggests that the &quot;complexity&quot; of the human mind is overrated. The Dunyain master circumstances by knowing &quot;what comes before&quot;. They know the programming that drives men and so are able to manipulate &quot;regular&quot; humans in ways simular to the ways the Consult manipulates the face changers and Sranc.

This begs an interesting philosophical question. If man can be as easily manipulated as these creatures, what gives him the right to say *he* has a soul and not these creations? view post


Akka posted 09 November 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Fruitbat&quot;:1v5bi4tc
Hello... this is my first so be gentle... <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
I think Achamian the moral marker of the books. By this I mean that in a world full of near-gods, kings and the Dunyain Akka is the only character that I could really understand the motavations of. (ok... Esmi too.. but thats another chunk of a topic). At the end of TTT I don't think his leaving the Aspect Emperor's court represents a turn to powers that would seek to distroy the world. It seemed more like a man who finally really SAW what was happening and facing it. He's not running away from his future anymore, he's limping off to meet it.[/quote:1v5bi4tc]

I agree with this. There's no indication at all that Akka is about the join the Consult. After all, they'd just tried to kill him! However, assuming he never reconcilses with Kellus, the Consult may leave him alone since he presumably would stop trying to teach Kellus more of the Gnosis (though it seems he's already created a monster). view post


Is Kellus the No-God? End of TTT and being in the whirlwind. posted 24 November 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellus the No-God? End of TTT and being in the whirlwind. by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

I agree, Phil. The connection between the No-God and Kellus has been established (the No-God speaks to him after all!). What remains to be seen is the exact nature of that connection. I too kind of feel that he is either the No-God or somehow responsible for its creation....but I have no idea how that would work. I threw out time travel as food for thought (and suggested the Tekne as the means for that), but I really have no idea at all. Bakker has provided clues as to the No-God's nature but they are WAAY, WAAAY too (deliberately!) obtuse to draw any conclusions from. Damn you Scott! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Who was Kellus talking to? posted 13 December 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWho was Kellus talking to? by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Incu-Pacifico&quot;:j4rglmgd
TTT, Shimeh, page 289-290:
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&quot;I know you can hear me&quot;, he said to the world, dark and sacred. &quot;I know that you listen.&quot;

&quot;What was I to do?&quot; he replied. &quot;They attend only to what lies before their eyes. They listen only to what pleases their ears. Things unseen, things unheard...they trust to you.&quot;


&quot;What was I to do? Tell them the truth?&quot;


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Anyone care to speculate on what happened during this &quot;exchange&quot;? Who was Kellus talking to? What is this truth he speaks of?[/quote:j4rglmgd] view post


Who was Kellus talking to? posted 14 December 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWho was Kellus talking to? by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Mahajanga Mordecai&quot;:2g3a4tox
Why, the god(s) of course. Ever present, watching, &quot;listening;&quot; he was defending his choices to those who dare to judge.[/quote:2g3a4tox]

I think he was speaking to the No-God. There's something about the No-God that the bastard Bakker isn't telling us. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Oh and sorry about the double post. I meant to merely correct some spelling, but somehow the &quot;edit&quot; became a new post. Doh! view post


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