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Cishaurim explanation posted 28 December 2007 in Author Q & ACishaurim explanation by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: "Entropic_existence":2yuun8vz
The big thing seems to be that to work the Psukhe you must also be blind. We know that being blind is an impediment to Anagogic Sorcery (Iyokus) and I suspect it would be a similar impediment to working Gnostic Sorcery as well. It would; however, be interesting if the two could be merged somehow, I'm just not convinced that they can.[/quote:2yuun8vz]

It seems to me that blindness is NOT a prerequisite for practicing the Psukhe. It is merely a way for the Psukari to tap into the purity of passion that renders their sorcery invisible.

When Inrau died, he was attempting to cast what rudiments of the Gnosis that he knew, and unless my memory fails, those Gnostic cants he used were utterly without the mark.

I believe some sort of combination is fully possible view post

Akka posted 28 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: "Shell":2wtyngsg
Brienne of Tarth,

I just finished TTT about 3 hours ago, and I absolutely agree with you. I loath Esmi by the end because she can't just say "Akka, its over." Its like she tortures him with looks and nonlooks and nonverbal language.[/quote:2wtyngsg]

I don't think Esmi is capable of saying "It's over." Throughout the trilogy, she has been attached to more than just Achamian. One example that comes to mind is early in TWP. When Sarcellus encounters them in the ruins, away from the Holy War, Esmi is secretly desiring Sarcellus to take her with him. I also vaguely remember her weeping over a lost customer from TDTCB. Esmi seems to be incapable of letting go of anything. view post

No-God's questions posted 28 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: "1gunners4":3qggwxdm
I don't know, Nerdanel, I found the No-God to be much less a massive demonic force than some unwilling power that is being harnessed by the Inchoroi.[/quote:3qggwxdm]

At least from my own point of view, this is exactly what the No-God is. We are told that the No-God is a product of the Tekne (else how would the Tekne resurrect him?) and he(?) clearly has control over the rest of the Tekne (Wracu, Sranc, etc.)

Each of the products of the Tekne seem to be controlled by their "hunger." For example, we are told the Sranc "need" to kill Men, "to quiet the madness of their hearts." This suggests that the behavior the No-God exhibits is precisely the behavior the Consult wanted it to possess.

The notable difference seems to be that the No-God's desires are essentially unfulfillable. (Seswatha's response to the No-God's saying the answers are "forgotten"). So we basically have a giant, sentient war machine driven to insanity by its unfulfillable desires, which thus continues to destroy (until destroyed, obviously) view post

Why did the consult kill xerius? posted 29 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhy did the consult kill xerius? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

I'm not sure about why they acutally killed the emperor, but Bakker hints at her being a skin spy, if you re-read tDTCB. Recall in TTT when Kellhus has everybody whose behavior seems different brought before him to determine they're a skin spy.... Almost every time we have a scene with Xerius and Istriya, Xerius notes something about her that is different. He does attribute these 'flaws' to her age, but when is Xerius really correct about anything? view post

Cishaurim explanation posted 29 December 2007 in Author Q & ACishaurim explanation by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

I agree that the Synthese commented that Seswatha's mark is absent in Inrau, but the event I'm referring to is Inrau's observation of his Cants, not bearing the mark, just before he dies at the end of Part I view post

Free Will posted 30 December 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Gnostic Christianity believes that both the free will and predestination are incorrect, as they are products of human reasoning, which is inherently limited. Thus, are we even capable of determining the true nature of the universe? view post

Do the powers in control suck at their jobs? posted 30 December 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionDo the powers in control suck at their jobs? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

I recommend reading the following document, "the Sophia of Jesus Christ", one of the Dead Sea Scrolls. This one might be a little hard to understand, but there are other translations out there if you look.


It describes the Gnostics' view of creation, which does agree with you that the universe is a cosmic 'mistake' in a sense. i.e. "The Perfect Savior said to them: "I want you to know that Sophia, the Mother of the Universe and the consort, desired by herself to bring these to existence without her male (consort). "

They believe, as most Christians do, that God has a triune nature. God the Christ (who brings the Gnosis, the knowledge that allows us to ascend), God the Father (the Male side of Creation) and God the Sophia/Mother. Gnostics believe that this female half of creation IS inherently flawed, and thus created a flawed existence. view post

Why did the Dunyain learn how to fight? posted 09 January 2008 in Author Q & AWhy did the Dunyain learn how to fight? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

I always thought it was just because the Dunyain also seem to have a side-mission of mastering all avenues of thought, so to speak. All skills, all trades, everything is mastered by the Dunyain (except sorcery, as they don't accept its existence). view post

Cnaiur question posted 11 January 2008 in The Warrior ProphetCnaiur question by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

I remember having problems with this passage also. I just interpreted as Cnaiur's madness owning him, throughout this whole section of the story. That's why he's 'forgetting to hate someone.' He has been mad most of his life, and he uses his hatred of Moenghus to control it. At this point in the story, he has completely lost control.

As to the broken pieces, I always assumed it WAS his belt, but I could easily be mistaken. My basis for this thought, is the next scene we see Cnaiur in, he's seen "bent over what looked to be a belt." That could be much later though, I've just always connected the two. view post

Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 11 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

By the end of TWP, some very strange things happen that convinced me (and by reading the forums, I can tell I'm not the only one) that maybe Kellhus really is being moved by the "God" or the "Outside" or whatever it is.

He does try to teach his followers at least the basic tenets of his beliefs (though obviously notsomuchas Conditioning them, that's only possible over a whole lifetime), or at least what he believes to be Truth to his "Tribe of Truth," so at least from his viewpoint, you really could say he's a good guy. He DOES try to improve those who follow him, not just convincing them he's doing so.

Also, there's the whole vision scene on the Circumfix, where Mog seems to actually speak to him, and the scene where he ripped out his heart (which I still don't understand).

And finally, the haloes on his hands, which everybody who believes he's a prophet sees, sometimes constantly, usually in glimpses.

However, after reading this wonderful trilogy for the fourth time, I noticed one little line in TWP that made this whole theory come crashing down for me..... When Serwe is getting raped/interrogated by the skin-spy posing as Kellhus, she still sees the haloes around his hands

Could this simply be a mass hallucination? As in, everybody sees these haloes because they want to see some visible sign of him being a prophet, stemming from a belief that Inri Sejenus had haloed hands as well?

For that matter, could Kellhus truly be broken/insane by the wilderness, as Moenghus suggests? The way is too far, Father view post

Why did the Dunyain learn how to fight? posted 12 January 2008 in Author Q & AWhy did the Dunyain learn how to fight? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

They could have benefited from a sense of humility as well. I suppose logicians wouldn't be able to find a root for that though... <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

How humble would YOU feel if you could dominate everyone you met so easily? view post

Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 12 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Nerdanel&quot;:2b1qmiv3
I think Akka was believing for little bits of time here and there, but then his doubts about Kellhus's holiness would always reassert themselves.[/quote:2b1qmiv3]

This is more like how I saw it... except I think he was COMPLETELY convinced (If only for a time)... in fact, in his mind, Kellhus was MORE even than a prophet...

Recall the beginning of TTT, when Achamian finally informs the Mandate that an Anasurimbor has returned:

Akka: The Warrior-Prophet has no need of my protection
Nautzera: Why do you call him that? Achamian? Do you actually think the man's a prophet?
Akka: I don't know what I think... too much has happened.

Or slightly later in that chapter, when he's on his way to Kellhus:
&quot;His skin tingled. Of all the world, of all the innumerable men scattered about all the innumberable lands, he, Anasurimbor Kellhus, communed with the God - the God! And how could it be otherwise, when he knew what no other man could know, when he spoke what no other man could speak?&quot;

Even if the haloes ARE somehow connected to the Thousandfold Thought, why does the skin-spy-as-Kellhus have them? For that matter, why did Sejenus? Could Sejenus have been Dunyain? That thought scares me. view post

Logos is theft posted 12 January 2008 in The Warrior ProphetLogos is theft by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

I think Scott covers this point best, in one of the quotes that opens a chapter early into tDtCB. I don't remember it exactly, but this is close enough to see which one I mean:

To be ignorant is to be a slave of the world. To be used(?) is to be a slave of another. Why, when all men are ignorant, and thus already slaves, does this latter slavery sting us so?

This is the way Kellhus views the issue. To him, why should it matter that he is enslaving slaves? view post

Logos is theft posted 12 January 2008 in The Warrior ProphetLogos is theft by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Nerdanel&quot;:1xslaz94

The self-moving soul means essentially solipsistic insanity, which is not a positive trait in the real world.[/quote:1xslaz94]

I disagree, I think it means you would be completely in control of yourself. It doesn't necessarily means you close yourself off to anything outside of yourself, merely that you actually THINK of what you are doing, and more importantly, why, before you do it.

The idea of the Dunyain, from my perspective, is that humans are capable of free will, but that what most people view as their own free will is a total illusion. How can you truly call it your own &quot;free will&quot; when you are merely responding, as you have been conditioned to, to events outside your control?

Every one of the people who follow him do so willingly. He doesn't force anyone to do so. view post

Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 13 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Khan&quot;:3bfdw30a

Answer: No

Khellus is a very gifted cold reader and orator, but not a prophet.[/quote:3bfdw30a]

Ok, so what is your opinion on the strange things that happen to him?

i.e. The Haloes, the &quot;Fortuitous Correspondence of Cause&quot; with Saubon at Mengedda, the No-God visions, the heart ripping out, not the least his own conviction that he IS in fact an agent of a true Creator/God, etc. view post

Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 14 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:3cadcofs
anor is right it was Serwe's heart Kellhus was doing some trickery. Scott even said that section was worded in a confusing manner.[/quote:3cadcofs]

Precisely why it can seem like a divine act? It certainly astounded me....

How exactly did he get hers? view post

Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 16 January 2008 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Am I the only one who feels that a movie version of PoN would not be possible? The story works so well because of the way it's presented through the viewpoints of each character view post

Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 16 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:106pcpc4
I dont think he would heal if he could either. [/quote:106pcpc4]

If Kellhus actually had the ability to heal, you bet he'd use it! It would make it ten times easier to get followers if he could actually perform cool, astounding miracles like that.

He wouldn't even have to TRY to persuade anyone that he was Kellhus, the God. view post

A fortuitous correspondence of cause. posted 16 January 2008 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]A fortuitous correspondence of cause. by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:38y0m098

Hahahaha, this reminds me of my proof of why you can't build a time machine. Because if you could, you would go back in time - give yourself the plans/prototype and save yourself the effort, thus cancelling the time line where you built it out. As soon as this thought occurs to you, you have reduced your chances of succesfully making a time machine to zero. Well, maybe, maybe not, but it makes me laugh.[/quote:38y0m098]

Be dissapointed then.

The problem with this theory, and the similar &quot;Grandfather Paradox&quot; is relying on the idea that time is mutable. IF you, at some point in the future, discovered how to make a time machine, and thus travelled back in time, this simply makes it appear that effect precedes cause. Thus, even before you use the time machine, even before you thought of creating it, you have already existed in the past as a result of your travel.

To help myself clarify, I'm going to use the &quot;Grandfather Paradox.&quot; Suppose you did, for some dumbass reason, decide you wanted to go back in time to kill your grandfather before your father was conceived, thus creating a &quot;paradox&quot; because you thus wouldn't exist, resulting in the destruction of all space/time (or whatever result they think will happen).

You will fail. The very fact that you are alive proves that you failed, because you are still alive to make the ridiculous attempt. In this case, before you were even born, you already existed in the past, trying to kill your grandfather. You have already done everything you will on your &quot;future&quot; trip to the &quot;past,&quot; thus changing NOTHING. view post

Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 16 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:eb5f7iv5
But the more I think about it, the more I become conviced that the Earwan dieties (such as they be) interact with the world by influenced stressed or cracked psyches - intimated only by Akka's short sorcerous interpretation of madness. [/quote:eb5f7iv5]

I agree with this. I'm convinced that Onkis was actually speaking to Inrau, in the final moments of his life. Check it out... something catches his attention upstairs (which we find out in a few pages later is the Consult), and he asks himself &quot;Is that you, Onkis?&quot; The curious thing is, he gets a reply, and a correct one at that. Onkis tells him &quot;No&quot;, though he percieves this as his own thought, and asks himself why he's always doubting. Then moments later, he is told to &quot;Run,&quot; which would have saved his life, except he again perceived it as his own thought.

To your main point, I think I can at least intellectually understand why he wouldn't heal the masses of every little ailment. However, don't you think that he would have at least healed Xinemus, especially after Achamian, whom he needs to remain close to him, questions it the way he did? Certain rarer examples of healing, rather than simply healing the mob? view post

The Judging Eye posted 23 January 2008 in The Judging EyeThe Judging Eye by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Nerdanel&quot;:1d2qxfar
The first thing I thought when I heard the name The Judging Eye was that there is going to be yet another thing in common with Kellhus and Sauron, to whom Kellhus already shows a certain resemblance...[/quote:1d2qxfar]

That they both have an eye? <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> I never realized the connection before now...

I suppose it should have been obvious, stupid me view post

George Bush posted 23 January 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionGeorge Bush by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Personally, I think that any good the man has done over the past seven years has been pure coincidence. I believe he is after his own, personal agenda (i.e. Oil in Iraq. It's no coincidence that he owns a LOT of the oil industry, and that oil prices have tripled since he came into office).

The &quot;War on Terror&quot; is a laugh. He has sent minimal troops into Afghanistan (only pretending he's concerned with Bin Laden), and immediately started invading Iraq (with minimal justification), because Iraq has oil. You've heard the theories, I'm sure.

I believe these are the only issues he really cares about. Everything else, he's simply HAD to deal with because he's the current President, and any good that came out of them is negligible, really.

I'm not sure I trust any of the current candidates any more, either. view post

Question about the Tekne and soulled beings posted 27 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestion about the Tekne and soulled beings by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

What if it has happened before, but the only reason the Consult realized that the Simas (since I can't recall any mention of its True Name) had a soul was because it was also one of the Few?

I think we can agree that having a soul is a prerequisite to being able to see/work sorcery, which is the only reason they knew it had one in the first place.

If an ensoulled skin-spy was NOT one the few, how would its soul even be detected? view post

the bible is the solution posted 30 January 2008 in Philosophy Discussionthe bible is the solution by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

I've always been under the impression, Harrol, that that particular passage in the bible, referring to your name being stricken from the Book of Life if you edit the texts (the worst possible punishment to a faithful Christian), was an addition made by man. It seeks to validate the rest of the documents with fear.
This is a pattern I've noticed with Christianity. i.e. &quot;Let's make up our own views on God and how you should live your life because A) I said so and B) You'll burn if you don't.

The God itself, nowhere in the Bible, has told us that we MUST do something, or face eternal damnation. One of the most fundamental parts of the faith is, or should be, due to the writings in their own scriptures, that each and every one of us has free will, and thus a choice. Nothing is more important to God. We all have to choose, of our own volition, to either believe or not to believe. This extends to anything. God quite literally allows us to do anything we please, be it kindness, or harming each other, or editing the words of a paper.

If God &quot;proved&quot; its existence to any of us, that would be forcing us to believe, and that is not the kind of worship that God desires.

It's for this same reason that I believe that no one religion, or spiritual text for that matter, is even capable of being 100% Truth. We are all fundamentally different from each other, so how could just one interpretation of God suffice for all of us? If you choose to truly believe, then I believe God will show itself to you, as you need to view it. This doesn't make your view of God any more correct, or any more false, than anyone else's. view post

The Reaction of a New Religion posted 30 January 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Reaction of a New Religion by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

While I also agree, for the most part, with TheDarkness' post, I disagree on the age of the religions. In particular, Judaism itself is much older than 2000 years. And, at their fundamental levels, both Christianity and Islam are new sects of it.

We have Judaism, which tells us how God is, and a good way to live your life. About a millenium and a half later, we get Christianity, which says that after all this time, Judaism's lost the path, and twisted my words. Here's a revision, which is how it should really work. And then 800 or so years after that, we're told again, Judaism and Christianity both were right originally, but after a lot of time they got confused and lost the Truth, twisting my words. Here's how it really is.

So, at their very roots, they seem to me to be differing sects of the same religion. They all three trace their roots back to Abraham. view post

Kelhus vs ... posted 30 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

I'm confused, but which books exactly are you getting these from? I've only read Dune, personally, but wasn't Paul Atreides supposed to be the Kwisatz Haderach? And did Herbert actually present this invincible character in an at least interesting way?

I'm not entirely sure I want to read any of the others anymore, actually. Invincible God characters who can Rule All, and Fie on you for trying to destroy him because he cannot be destroyed by any means, while kind of cool for the first five minutes... makes for a really boring book view post

the bible is the solution posted 31 January 2008 in Philosophy Discussionthe bible is the solution by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Except my point was that clergy and sacraments cannot show you the true God. view post

the bible is the solution posted 01 February 2008 in Philosophy Discussionthe bible is the solution by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Israfel&quot;:1yz37grn

To quote from wiki:

George Fox and the other early Quaker preachers believed that direct experience of God was available to all people, without mediation (e.g. through hired clergy, or through outward sacraments). Fox described this by writing that &quot;Christ has come to teach His people Himself.&quot;


When I first read this, it seemed to say the exact opposite. So, you are correct, my last post was in error. view post


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